Tortured Soul Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 Clayton just said on Sports Center that the cap number for franchising corners will drop to $5.7 million next season from 8.8 this year. I supported keeping Clements before. I definitely do now, or at the very least franchise him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 Clayton just said on Sports Center that the cap number for franchising corners will drop to $5.7 million next season from 8.8 this year. I supported keeping Clements before. I definitely do now, or at the very least franchise him. 531498[/snapback] I'm for franchising him, and getting picks in the next 2 drafts. We arent going to get good by attempting a 1 year rebuild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfanmiami(oh) Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 If that's the case, I say tag him for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cåblelady Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 If that's the case, I say tag him for sure. 531508[/snapback] .....and gut him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phlegm Alley Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 Clayton also said that we will most likely part ways with Sam Adams, Moulds, and Mike Williams. Might as well lock him up long term with all the added cap room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 I think we will def tag him..... Then we either get a 1st rounder or sign him long term...one or the other...no exceptions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadBuffaloDisease Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 Clayton just said on Sports Center that the cap number for franchising corners will drop to $5.7 million next season from 8.8 this year. I supported keeping Clements before. I definitely do now, or at the very least franchise him. Wow, that's a HUGE drop in price and makes franchising him (and possibly trading him for a 1st rounder) almost guaranteed and much lower-risk. Cool. Any reason given why the amount dropped? Is it something to do with the (currently) uncapped 2007 year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 i still suspect taht we will keep williams next year. i dunno, but a new GM coming in will want fast success and a big running game is the closest thing we can obtain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerme1 Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 There will be no need to franchise him. He's not worth that kind of money. Even the lowered amount. Nate will not be getting Winfield money, so it will be an interesting process to watch unfold but remember there is a disadvantage to franchi sing someone, we cant do it again for 5 years I think, not sure though. So we need to save tag for Willis in two years and then trade his sorry ass for who knows what Wow think of all the ways TD could screw this up if given the opportunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 You have got to be kidding me..... Mark my words....teams are going to be lined up at the door for Clements. A 6' something 200 poundish corner who can tackle with speed..... Nope...nobody will want him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadBuffaloDisease Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 There will be no need to franchise him. He's not worth that kind of money. Even the lowered amount.Nate will not be getting Winfield money, so it will be an interesting process to watch unfold but remember there is a disadvantage to franchi sing someone, we cant do it again for 5 years I think, not sure though. You're on drugs if you think that a) Clements is not worth Winfield money (if not more) and/or b) teams wouldn't love to have him for just $5.7M a year. So we need to save tag for Willis in two years and then trade his sorry ass for who knows what Willis might not prove to be worth franchising if the O-line isn't fixed/he doesn't start playing better. Wow think of all the ways TD could screw this up if given the opportunity. Somehow I think he won't get the chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerme1 Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 No I don't think I am kidding you. If these cap numbers are correct, do you think someone is still lining up to pay him Winfield type money? Especially after the year he has put forth? If you are a GM and doing your homework there are some things that would scare you or an owner away from lining up to dump that kind of money on him. Jacksonville game last year is one, and then when most guys stand tall knowing it's a contract year, he dies on the vine and gets To.rched, Lit Up repeatedly. Maybe a TD type is lining up for him but imo, his stock has dropped dramatically. A 6' something 200 poundish corner who can tackle with speed? Well ya, sometimes and then others he just gets Torched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadBuffaloDisease Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 No I don't think I am kidding you. If these cap numbers are correct, do you think someone is still lining up to pay him Winfield type money?Especially after the year he has put forth? If you are a GM and doing your homework there are some things that would scare you or an owner away from lining up to dump that kind of money on him. Jacksonville game last year is one, and then when most guys stand tall knowing it's a contract year, he dies on the vine and gets To.rched, Lit Up repeatedly. Maybe a TD type is lining up for him but imo, his stock has dropped dramatically. A 6' something 200 poundish corner who can tackle with speed? Well ya, sometimes and then others he just gets Torched. So the best you have is the Jax game last year, and this year when the Bills have no defense at all? And Winfield is a better CB? Sorry but we'll have to agree to disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 If that's the case, they'll almost certainly use the franchise tag on him. Clements has not had his best year, but there's little reason to believe he won't bounce back. He's still young and has no injury history. In a weak year for CBs both in FA and the draft, I don't think it'll be a tough sell if the Bills try to trade him. He's still the best CB available this offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerme1 Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 So the best you have is the Jax game last year, and this year when the Bills have no defense at all? And Winfield is a better CB? Sorry but we'll have to agree to disagree. 531606[/snapback] That's cool But I am willing to say Winfield is a better tackler. Who was our last franchised player? I think it was Fina. It is big thing to do. I . But I am not saying that if that lower cap number is reality, that it wont happen. I am saying if the higher cap number is reality, it wont happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadBuffaloDisease Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 That's cool But I am willing to say Winfield is a better tackler. A better tackler, but not a better CB. Who was our last franchised player? I think it was Fina. It is big thing to do. I . But I am not saying that if that lower cap number is reality, that it wont happen. I am saying if the higher cap number is reality, it wont happen. The last franchised player was Peerless Price. If you remember, the Bills traded him for a 1st and retained the use of their franchise tag. With the lower cap number, the chance of him being franchised just went to 100%, and the chance of him being traded for a 1st also rose significantly. At least in our eyes since we didn't know about it, but I'm sure other teams (and TD) did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerme1 Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 I plead ignorance and drunkeness having forgotten about PP. But Clayton is the one saying the cap number is going down, doesn't that in turn mean that the cap number will be going up? I ask forgiveness in forgetting about Peeerless though. (thinking to myself, idiot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadBuffaloDisease Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 I plead ignorance and drunkeness having forgotten about PP. Well, with a name like "beerme1...." But Clayton is the one saying the cap number is going down, doesn't that in turn mean that the cap number will be going up? I ask forgiveness in forgetting about Peeerless though.(thinking to myself, idiot Yes, this was based on what happened with Peerless to a large extent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HurlyBurly51 Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 but remember there is a disadvantage to franchi sing someone, we cant do it again for 5 years I think, not sure though. 531559[/snapback] We can tag Clements year after year after year if we want to (see Donovan Darius). It's good for the club if they determine it's worth the cap space, and bad for Nate cuz he never gets to see that huge signing bonus in his bank account and lives year to year. They can also tag him, trade him, and get the tag and cap space back. The only caveat is that there is a period from somewhere around April to August where tagged guys never get signed to long term extensions, because that is where you lose the franchise marker for the duration of the deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerme1 Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 Why is the Fina tag sticking in my head so much? Did they change the rule somewher along the way after we tagged him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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