ofiba Posted December 7, 2005 Author Share Posted December 7, 2005 TD decision all the way. Wiley and Moaulds were both set to become UFA's , and TD locked up Moulds and let Wiley walk, and Butler `promptly signed him in San Diego, along with Sam rodgers, Holocek, and Flutie 523908[/snapback] You're right, my mistake. Still the right call by TD though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SACKMARINO Posted December 7, 2005 Share Posted December 7, 2005 its about friggin time a thread like this was started! i dont understand these friggin' people. how quickly they forget.....same with henry a year or two ago. moulds was nothing but loyal to the bills, and he deserves better and he'll get it. better believe if we have to face him he will shread us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted December 7, 2005 Share Posted December 7, 2005 You're right, my mistake. Still the right call by TD though. 523931[/snapback] Thought at the time as well, and now with Wiley being a bust except for his first year, looks that way in hindsight as well. But like I said, that should have been our first clue as to how TD would build this team from the outside in, instaed of the other way around. But like I said, I am still a big EM fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted December 7, 2005 Share Posted December 7, 2005 What people don't seem to understand is that it is perfectly possible for a player like Eric Moulds to be the consummate Bills player for 9-10 years, sacrifice his body and soul for the team, be a great guy and teammate, and NOW when he is no longer the star and everyone's darling, has become a selfish prick detrimental to the team. They are not at all mutually exclusive and should not be treated that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ofiba Posted December 7, 2005 Author Share Posted December 7, 2005 What people don't seem to understand is that it is perfectly possible for a player like Eric Moulds to be the consummate Bills player for 9-10 years, sacrifice his body and soul for the team, be a great guy and teammate, and NOW when he is no longer the star and everyone's darling, has become a selfish prick detrimental to the team. They are not at all mutually exclusive and should not be treated that way. 523952[/snapback] Did you listen to his press conference after the game? He wasn't complaining about not getting the ball. He said we should have been grinding out the clock instead of messing around in spread formations. He didn't want the ball. He wanted the win. He knows dumb playcalling just like the rest of us, and he let it be known Mularkely blew the game. Mularkey doesn't want to be called out by his player, so he tries to make Moulds out to be the bad guy. I just hope the fans don't buy it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted December 7, 2005 Share Posted December 7, 2005 Did you listen to his press conference after the game? He wasn't complaining about not getting the ball. He said we should have been grinding out the clock instead of messing around in spread formations. He didn't want the ball. He wanted the win. He knows dumb playcalling just like the rest of us, and he let it be known Mularkely blew the game. Mularkey doesn't want to be called out by his player, so he tries to make Moulds out to be the bad guy. I just hope the fans don't buy it. 523967[/snapback] I was referring to the reports that he took himself out of the game and refused to go back in. Do you really think, honestly, that MM wants to suspend Moulds for no reason? That it was just because Moulds said we should have run the ball more? That's just ridiculous. He took himself out of the game. When we were winning 21-0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted December 7, 2005 Share Posted December 7, 2005 I was listening to Shredd and Regan this morning and one of them made a great point. The Bills were up 21-0 and Lee Evans had 3 tds. Then Moulds leaves the game and they don't score. Do you think thefact that Moulds has killed the Dolphins so much in thepast had anything to do with Evans' success??? I'm guessing yes. I love Evans and think he is going to be a great wr for a long time. But he will not be nearly the player if he is forced to draw double teams. No other wr on our roster strikes fear in our opponents. Moulds deserves to finish his career as a Bill and can still be a very productive player (albeit at a lower rate). I understand you can't show up the coach, but I think MM is totally handling this the wrong way. Moulds has been stand up in the whole situation. My trust in MM is going quickly down the drain. He calls a goalline pass at the 1 up 21-0 with our supposed franchinse rb and then decides to suspend arguably our team leader. Smooth move Mike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajzepp Posted December 7, 2005 Share Posted December 7, 2005 Moulds has been my favorite player on the team since Jimbo retired. He was never any kind of disruption until MM and TC got hold of the team.....Screw Mularkey! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted December 7, 2005 Share Posted December 7, 2005 What people don't seem to understand is that it is perfectly possible for a player like Eric Moulds to be the consummate Bills player for 9-10 years, sacrifice his body and soul for the team, be a great guy and teammate, and NOW when he is no longer the star and everyone's darling, has become a selfish prick detrimental to the team. They are not at all mutually exclusive and should not be treated that way. 523952[/snapback] I get it. Great post. Goodbye Eric. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted December 7, 2005 Share Posted December 7, 2005 I was referring to the reports that he took himself out of the game and refused to go back in. Do you really think, honestly, that MM wants to suspend Moulds for no reason? That it was just because Moulds said we should have run the ball more? That's just ridiculous. He took himself out of the game. When we were winning 21-0. 523973[/snapback] Perhaps, but given the fact that MM has made it common practice to alienate many of his players I'm not going to give him the benefit of the doubt over Moulds. I have no doubt that Moulds is, most likely, at least equally at fault in whatever transpired here. But trying to suspend a guy that's been here 10 years for part of his last four games in a Bills uniform (and his second to last home game) is just wrong. MM has no clue how to manage players and it’s becoming more obvious over time. It seems like every single week the guy is having problems with a different player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted December 7, 2005 Share Posted December 7, 2005 Perhaps, but given the fact that MM has made it common practice to alienate many of his players I'm not going to give him the benefit of the doubt over Moulds. I have no doubt that Moulds is, most likely, at least equally at fault in whatever transpired here. But trying to suspend a guy that's been here 10 years for part of his last four games in a Bills uniform (and his second to last home game) is just wrong. MM has no clue how to manage players and it’s becoming more obvious over time. It seems like every single week the guy is having problems with a different player. 524063[/snapback] Adams? Who has been known as a problem player (as far as being on his own agenda) his entire career? Who else? Bobby Shaw, who wasn't good enough to be on the team with Josh Reed and Sam Aiken as his main competition and who is out of the league now I think? Just who is it that he is having problems with? He was a tough player in this league. He knows players. He may be having a miserable year coaching but he's not going to be a petty prick to guys that did nothing to deserve it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loadofmularkey Posted December 7, 2005 Share Posted December 7, 2005 Adams? Who has been known as a problem player (as far as being on his own agenda) his entire career? Who else? Bobby Shaw, who wasn't good enough to be on the team with Josh Reed and Sam Aiken as his main competition and who is out of the league now I think? Just who is it that he is having problems with? He was a tough player in this league. He knows players. He may be having a miserable year coaching but he's not going to be a petty prick to guys that did nothing to deserve it. 524081[/snapback] Here's the thing that I don't like about all of this. After the Miami game, Mularkey said Moulds took himself out of the game while Moulds said he was taken out of the game and at that point hadn't been told why. Then it was reported that Moulds was benched for not running his routes. If the latter is true, that would make Mularkey a liar. Here's another thing. I think some of the fans are more on EM's side in all of this because he is that last link (albiet brief) to the Levy, Kelly, Thurman days. He's arguably the second greatest WR in Bills history (he definitely is statistically speaking) and he's been here for many years and had never, ever, ever caused a disturbance like this with Levy, Phillips or Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted December 7, 2005 Share Posted December 7, 2005 . He's arguably the second greatest WR in Bills history 524091[/snapback] Nope gotta go in this order Reed Chandler Bucky Brooks Bobby Moore Butler Frank Lewis Eric Moulds TE Lonnie Brammer Campbell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loadofmularkey Posted December 7, 2005 Share Posted December 7, 2005 Nope gotta go in this order Reed Chandler Bucky Brooks Bobby Moore Butler Frank Lewis Eric Moulds TE Lonnie Brammer Campbell 524107[/snapback] How could I ever have forgotten the great Bucky Brooks?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted December 7, 2005 Share Posted December 7, 2005 Adams? Who has been known as a problem player (as far as being on his own agenda) his entire career? Who else? Bobby Shaw, who wasn't good enough to be on the team with Josh Reed and Sam Aiken as his main competition and who is out of the league now I think? Just who is it that he is having problems with? He was a tough player in this league. He knows players. He may be having a miserable year coaching but he's not going to be a petty prick to guys that did nothing to deserve it. 524081[/snapback] Yeah, he "knows" players so well that he's had three very public spats with players this year. Getting into it with a player once a month in the press isn't going to win players over. The fans, and players, might accept this type of "coaching" if the guy produced results. But coming after some of the most pitiful 4th quarter playcalling I've ever seen I'm surprised there's anybody out there that will defend him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted December 7, 2005 Share Posted December 7, 2005 Here's the thing that I don't like about all of this. After the Miami game, Mularkey said Moulds took himself out of the game while Moulds said he was taken out of the game and at that point hadn't been told why. Then it was reported that Moulds was benched for not running his routes. If the latter is true, that would make Mularkey a liar. Here's another thing. I think some of the fans are more on EM's side in all of this because he is that last link (albiet brief) to the Levy, Kelly, Thurman days. He's arguably the second greatest WR in Bills history (he definitely is statistically speaking) and he's been here for many years and had never, ever, ever caused a disturbance like this with Levy, Phillips or Williams. 524091[/snapback] Without taking the specific persons into account, meaning Moulds and Mularkey, do you believe in the history of sports there has ever been a case where a player was trying hard, and doing his job, and wanted to be on the field. And then was taken out of a game and spent the rest of the game on the sidelines. Then, after the game, the coach of that team went on record, in public, and just flat lied and said the player himself took himself out of the game? Out of nowhere? That is impossible to have happened. I don't care if you love Moulds and hate Mularkey, love Mularkey and Hate Moulds, love them both or hate them both, it is impossible that Mularkey just made that up. And that Moulds was just "shocked and confused" by the whole thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted December 7, 2005 Share Posted December 7, 2005 How could I ever have forgotten the great Bucky Brooks?? 524108[/snapback] He did make a dam fine DB for someone, just cant remember who Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted December 7, 2005 Share Posted December 7, 2005 Without taking the specific persons into account, meaning Moulds and Mularkey, do you believe in the history of sports there has ever been a case where a player was trying hard, and doing his job, and wanted to be on the field. And then was taken out of a game and spent the rest of the game on the sidelines. Then, after the game, the coach of that team went on record, in public, and just flat lied and said the player himself took himself out of the game? Out of nowhere? That is impossible to have happened. I don't care if you love Moulds and hate Mularkey, love Mularkey and Hate Moulds, love them both or hate them both, it is impossible that Mularkey just made that up. And that Moulds was just "shocked and confused" by the whole thing. 524128[/snapback] it was probably a little bit of both - i.e., "you're fired, no i quit." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted December 7, 2005 Share Posted December 7, 2005 Yeah, he "knows" players so well that he's had three very public spats with players this year. Getting into it with a player once a month in the press isn't going to win players over. The fans, and players, might accept this type of "coaching" if the guy produced results. But coming after some of the most pitiful 4th quarter playcalling I've ever seen I'm surprised there's anybody out there that will defend him. 524119[/snapback] His play-calling in the fourth quarter was pretty terrible. I am thoroughly disappointed in Mularkey this year and think he has flat out sucked. he's had a worse year than his terrible players. But because he calls shittty plays has zero bearing on whether he just suspends players for no reason. And again, I asked you to name any other player than Adams, who has been known to do this stuff and prides himself by bragging he doesn't try in practice. He's losing the team because they are losing games and everyone of them is frustrated as hell, like we are. Adams and Moulds, however, regardless of how great they have been in the past, have been a lot more vocal off the field than they've been productive on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted December 7, 2005 Share Posted December 7, 2005 Without taking the specific persons into account, meaning Moulds and Mularkey, do you believe in the history of sports there has ever been a case where a player was trying hard, and doing his job, and wanted to be on the field. And then was taken out of a game and spent the rest of the game on the sidelines. Then, after the game, the coach of that team went on record, in public, and just flat lied and said the player himself took himself out of the game? Out of nowhere? That is impossible to have happened. I don't care if you love Moulds and hate Mularkey, love Mularkey and Hate Moulds, love them both or hate them both, it is impossible that Mularkey just made that up. And that Moulds was just "shocked and confused" by the whole thing. 524128[/snapback] I think it's seems fairly likely, based on what I've read, that Mularkey pulled Moulds out of the game and after a few series when he went to put him back in Moulds refused, probably saying something along the lines of "if he thinks this team is better off without me then so be it". If this is the case then both of them are lying in a sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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