***PetrinoInAlbany*** Posted September 26, 2005 Share Posted September 26, 2005 It wasn't JP who gave up over 230 yards rushing. It wasn't JP who made the decision not to line up four receivers against a team that had 3 DB's out. It wasn't JP who decided that Jerman would be a better start at RT than Jason Peters. Coming back from Buffalo, Harv reminded me that last year ... after four games ... a lot of people in Cinci were screaming for Carson Palmer's head, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30dive Posted September 26, 2005 Share Posted September 26, 2005 It also wasn't Losman who selected another Wide out in the draft and did NOT improve the O-line in front of the "rookie" QB, and it was not Losman who hasn't given the QB a pass catching TE since , who Pete Metzalars (sp)!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted September 26, 2005 Share Posted September 26, 2005 It wasn't JP who gave up over 230 yards rushing. It wasn't JP who made the decision not to line up four receivers against a team that had 3 DB's out. It wasn't JP who decided that Jerman would be a better start at RT than Jason Peters. Coming back from Buffalo, Harv reminded me that last year ... after four games ... a lot of people in Cinci were screaming for Carson Palmer's head, too. 455294[/snapback] I agree. Losman has to be given a couple of years. He would have to play ridiculously bad for him not to get all of this year and next to show his abilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
***PetrinoInAlbany*** Posted September 26, 2005 Author Share Posted September 26, 2005 I agree. Losman has to be given a couple of years. He would have to play ridicuously bad for him not to get all of this year and next to show his abilities. 455307[/snapback] One thing - and only one thing I disagree with here. He will have to show IMPROVEMENT over the 2nd half. Last year, Carson Palmer started to show brilliance in the SECOND HALF of the season. This year, Cinci's 3-0 and Palmer looks great. If Losman CANNOT show marked, radical growth between now and December, then it becomes the Todd Collins scenario. (That's a MUCH better analogy than any Rob analogy which people were tossing around carelessly yesterday, because the Bills cut their losses with Collins after ONE year as a starter.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachChuckDickerson Posted September 26, 2005 Share Posted September 26, 2005 It is funny the difference a year makes. You can take every Bledsoe thread from last season, insert Losman and save ourselves a lot of time typing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted September 26, 2005 Share Posted September 26, 2005 It is funny the difference a year makes. You can take every Bledsoe thread from last season, insert Losman and save ourselves a lot of time typing. 455324[/snapback] ...except for the fact that one guy is a 10+ year vet and the other has started 3 game s in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted September 26, 2005 Share Posted September 26, 2005 One thing - and only one thing I disagree with here. He will have to show IMPROVEMENT over the 2nd half. Last year, Carson Palmer started to show brilliance in the SECOND HALF of the season. This year, Cinci's 3-0 and Palmer looks great. If Losman CANNOT show marked, radical growth between now and December, then it becomes the Todd Collins scenario. (That's a MUCH better analogy than any Rob analogy which people were tossing around carelessly yesterday, because the Bills cut their losses with Collins after ONE year as a starter.) 455320[/snapback] I'm making the assumption that he shows some progress throughout the course of this season. I agree that if at the end of December, he is still throwing for 100 yards a game, completing less than 50 percent of his passes and being inaccurate, it will not be pretty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nodnarb Posted September 26, 2005 Share Posted September 26, 2005 This is silly. Yes, our D was the worst performer on Sunday, in terms of the 3 groups. But Losman was the worst INDIVIDUAL performer. Some of you are already starting to back off and say, well, it's going to take a while...we'll suck until he's ready. Don't forget: This team was supposed to win NOW, the same way the steelers did it with BRoethlisberger. The team referenced their situation many times. THey said they're winning NOW. They said it in a variety of ways. After game 1 it looked like they were demonstrating that vision. But the reality is we were just lucky to play such a horrid team to make us look better than we are. Losman is NOT seeing the field. He's not seeing wide open receivers. He's hesitating. He has addressed his failure to pull the trigger and yet it continues. I give him credit for his ownership but this glitch in his game is the worst glitch you can have. And it could haunt him his entire career. Which would make his career short. Hopefully he'll get over it. I Like the kid. But again, it's a coach's game. And mularkey has not impressed me yet. Like him, but I'm not impressed. If I could trade him right now for Saban, I would. Too negative for ya? Well, whatever. I'm sick of the same old story with minor edits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJsackedagain Posted September 26, 2005 Share Posted September 26, 2005 I agree. Losman has to be given a couple of years. He would have to play ridiculously bad for him not to get all of this year and next to show his abilities. 455307[/snapback] If he plays bad the rest of this year, how can you give him next year to prove himself too?? In three weeks he's regressed, of course he's also played against better defenses, but if he plays like he did yesterday in December that's not going to fly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdubs Posted September 26, 2005 Share Posted September 26, 2005 It also wasn't Losman who selected another Wide out in the draft and did NOT improve the O-line in front of the "rookie" QB, and it was not Losman who hasn't given the QB a pass catching TE since , who Pete Metzalars (sp)!!! 455304[/snapback] Amen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted September 26, 2005 Share Posted September 26, 2005 And it could haunt him his entire career. Which would make his career short. Hopefully he'll get over it. I Like the kid. But again, it's a coach's game. And mularkey has not impressed me yet. Like him, but I'm not impressed. If I could trade him right now for Saban, I would. 455349[/snapback] I think it is Tom Clements who is the OC....He should have exposed that secondary of the falcons.... But to expose the secondary your QB needs time...for that the OL must pass block....which was ZERO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted September 26, 2005 Share Posted September 26, 2005 It also wasn't Losman who selected another Wide out in the draft and did NOT improve the O-line in front of the "rookie" QB, and it was not Losman who hasn't given the QB a pass catching TE since , who Pete Metzalars (sp)!!! 455304[/snapback] With any luck that wide out (Roscoe) and the TE (KE) will help this guy get over the hump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cale Posted September 26, 2005 Share Posted September 26, 2005 ...except for the fact that one guy is a 10+ year vet and the other has started 3 game s in the NFL. 455331[/snapback] I feel bad for Losman - the truth is our O-line blows chunks. Especially, in pass protection. Until management gets their heads out of their collective a**holes,no QB is safe. So this whole let the young guy get his on the job training now, is just insane. All we're gonna do is get him killed and destroy his confidence. In one series yesterday the opposing D-lineman was on him in 1.9 seconds. 1.9 seconds!! The combination of having no O-line, no TE who we want to throw to or a back who can pick up the blitz worth a damn, is gonna just s***f*** us. I say let's put Holcomb in there until we have an O-line worth a damn. To try to A/B the Bills against the Steelers or Patriots is just weird. Those teams have O-lines that can actually hold their blocks for longer than 3 secs. But, the way our other units have been playing - maybe we should just be resigned to "rebuilding" another year. Jeez... Charles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted September 26, 2005 Share Posted September 26, 2005 If he plays bad the rest of this year, how can you give him next year to prove himself too?? In three weeks he's regressed, of course he's also played against better defenses, but if he plays like he did yesterday in December that's not going to fly. 455353[/snapback] Like I said before, unless he continues like this for the remaining 13 games, showing no improvement, he more than likely will get another shot next year. He's going to have ups and downs this season. Can you give him at least a few more games before you get on the Leinhart bandwagon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted September 26, 2005 Share Posted September 26, 2005 With any luck that wide out (Roscoe) and the TE (KE) will help this guy get over the hump. 455368[/snapback] Plus we punch it in to the end zone on those first two drives...and we are in the game....and Losman gets more confidence.... Bottom line is why go for 4th-1 twice on a QB sneak....why can't we use anything else....like spreading the field out and then have Losman run for the 1st down or having your best weapon Mcgahee run it down their throat... BAD PLAY CALLING througout the GAME. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted September 26, 2005 Share Posted September 26, 2005 losman led us to 16 points ? how did atlanta get get points ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMadCap Posted September 26, 2005 Share Posted September 26, 2005 If the OL starts acting like they have a (collective) pair, the kid might actually be able to complete a pass. That being said, the play-calling was timid, spineless, predictable, and boring. WTF are Mularky/Clements thinking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted September 26, 2005 Share Posted September 26, 2005 And it could haunt him his entire career. Which would make his career short. Hopefully he'll get over it. I Like the kid. But again, it's a coach's game. And mularkey has not impressed me yet. Like him, but I'm not impressed. If I could trade him right now for Saban, I would. Too negative for ya? Well, whatever. I'm sick of the same old story with minor edits. 455349[/snapback] WTF...Did you expect Losman to be an All-Pro right out of the gate. Go back and take a look at Eli Manning when he came in for Warner last year. 3 games and you are ready to write off his career. Did I expect that Losman through 3 games would show more signs than he has? Sure I did, but I'm not ready to write him off, because he hasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillnutinHouston Posted September 26, 2005 Share Posted September 26, 2005 I think it is Tom Clements who is the OC....He should have exposed thatsecondary of the falcons.... But to expose the secondary your QB needs time...for that the OL must pass block....which was ZERO. 455365[/snapback] I was ready to jump on your first sentence, then I read your second. You are exactly right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PTS Posted September 26, 2005 Share Posted September 26, 2005 It wasn't JP who gave up over 230 yards rushing. It wasn't JP who made the decision not to line up four receivers against a team that had 3 DB's out. It wasn't JP who decided that Jerman would be a better start at RT than Jason Peters. Coming back from Buffalo, Harv reminded me that last year ... after four games ... a lot of people in Cinci were screaming for Carson Palmer's head, too. 455294[/snapback] JP Losman is no Carson Palmer. I wish people would stop comparing the two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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