TracyLee Posted September 8, 2005 Share Posted September 8, 2005 you need a union 433873[/snapback] That's for dang sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
\GoBillsInDallas/ Posted September 8, 2005 Share Posted September 8, 2005 Anyone need a Unix guy in Atlanta? 433802[/snapback] Any university or school system would hire you on the spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEP78 Posted September 8, 2005 Share Posted September 8, 2005 You know it. Very interested as of 11:00 this morning! 433864[/snapback] I just PM'ed you. I saw your message. Will send more information hopefully later today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt in KC Posted September 8, 2005 Share Posted September 8, 2005 It sounds like they're resigning you (and I don't mean re-sign). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snorom Posted September 8, 2005 Share Posted September 8, 2005 Exactly! Then you could strike and not get paid anything. CW 433877[/snapback] But this is a necessary thing. A strike is the only way to get the attention of corporate America. IMO the entire nation needs a strong return organized labor. We've continually seen the erroding of wages, benefits, and job security, while CEO's and other ivory tower white collar workers wages increase exponentially. I belong to the IAM751, and we are on strike right now. Boeing workers have had enough of the company screaming high costs and the need to cut benefits and, wages for hourly workers , but then hand out 20+ milion dollar bonuses to CEO's who've never worked a day for the company. do t Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEP78 Posted September 8, 2005 Share Posted September 8, 2005 I just PM'ed you. I saw your message. Will send more information hopefully later today. 433895[/snapback] McJeff - I spoke with the IT VP. Send your resume to the address I PM'ed you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
losman Posted September 8, 2005 Share Posted September 8, 2005 This means there is something alot better out there waiting for you. I understand what you are going thru. Just keep your head up high. You will land the best job you have always wanted. Good Luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted September 8, 2005 Share Posted September 8, 2005 And I just noticed that mcjeff is a Unix guy. Obviously he works on the network there. Wouldnt that put him in a position to steal info, accounts etc(again please Jeff not saying that you would) if he was really pissed off? Good luck to you btw Jeff. 433820[/snapback] depends on the policy of the department. I worked at a shop out of college where the policy was that anytime any IT so much as put in 2 weeks notice, he was to be immediately escorted offsite and all passwords were to be reset then there are places that have had ITs come and go but haven't changed their root/administrator passwords in years. btw, hope this all works out for ya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Jack Posted September 8, 2005 Share Posted September 8, 2005 you need a union 433873[/snapback] The IT field is one of the largest workforces in the US without any union, because for everyone with a job, there are 10 more that are ready to jump in and take yours for lesser pay if you quit or go on strike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ1 Posted September 8, 2005 Share Posted September 8, 2005 The IT field is one of the largest workforces in the US without any union, because for everyone with a job, there are 10 more that are ready to jump in and take yours for lesser pay if you quit or go on strike. 434011[/snapback] Especially the ones in India. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HelloNewman Posted September 8, 2005 Share Posted September 8, 2005 Don't feel too bad.....at least they gave you some time. I was fired by a judge who I worked for for NYS. Never gave me any warnings...verbal or written. Just used the 1 year "probationary period" as an excuse to get rid of me in week 50 of a 52 week probation. I did the same thing as you...I refused to fit in with their "click" of secretaries/law clerks/ judges who were a bunch of overpaid NYS employee stuck up crybabies. I did my job and went home. Funny thing was I got a 3 month review which I passed, never got my 6 month review and never was told I was doing a bad job and my job was in jeopardy. I was basicaly never given a straight answer as to why I was being let go... my union said they can let you go for any or no reason at all in NYS while you are on probation. Well I learned a few things about the working world.... 1) If you give 2 weeks notice...be prepared to walk that same day out the door because chances are they might let you go right on the spot. 2) Work to live...don't live to work because one day the reaper will come with a box and a security guard with no notice and treat you like a common criminal as you pack your desk up. That is how it is in today's world 3) It is not how well you do at work...it is how your boss PERCEIVES you as an employee. Perception is reality!! 4) Getting fired from your job will not necessarily get you unemployment. If you caused your own firing chances are you will be denied benefits. If you were discharged due to money reasons or you were a probationary discharge because you had a hard time with the job then you will get benefits. Make sure you tell your employer you will file for unemployment benefits and will there be any problems with that. Also make sure they give you something in writing as to why they are letting you go, etc. etc. 5) Not everyone is going to like you at work...get used to it. Just make sure you stay professional at work with them but keep an arms distance from them at all times. 6) And finally, make sure you know it is their loss and not yours. For the longest time when I got discharged I was down in the dumps but I soon realized the problem lied with THEM and their screwed up office...not me. I learned from it and now after 6 weeks I found a new job and I really love it. I am my own boss and I do not have to deal with office politics...it is great. So just go to work and spend all your time looking for new work on the internet on their time. Make sure you walk out with your head held high even though it sucks. That way you will be more respected my the idiot workers there because they will be watching how you handle it. PROFESSIONALISM is the key. Good Luck Ken aka Hello Newman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMadCap Posted September 8, 2005 Share Posted September 8, 2005 Don't feel too bad.....at least they gave you some time. I was fired by a judge who I worked for for NYS. Never gave me any warnings...verbal or written. Just used the 1 year "probationary period" as an excuse to get rid of me in week 50 of a 52 week probation. I did the same thing as you...I refused to fit in with their "click" of secretaries/law clerks/ judges who were a bunch of overpaid NYS employee stuck up crybabies. I did my job and went home. Funny thing was I got a 3 month review which I passed, never got my 6 month review and never was told I was doing a bad job and my job was in jeopardy. I was basicaly never given a straight answer as to why I was being let go... my union said they can let you go for any or no reason at all in NYS while you are on probation. Well I learned a few things about the working world.... 1) If you give 2 weeks notice...be prepared to walk that same day out the door because chances are they might let you go right on the spot. 2) Work to live...don't live to work because one day the reaper will come with a box and a security guard with no notice and treat you like a common criminal as you pack your desk up. That is how it is in today's world 3) It is not how well you do at work...it is how your boss PERCEIVES you as an employee. Perception is reality!! 4) Getting fired from your job will not necessarily get you unemployment. If you caused your own firing chances are you will be denied benefits. If you were discharged due to money reasons or you were a probationary discharge because you had a hard time with the job then you will get benefits. Make sure you tell your employer you will file for unemployment benefits and will there be any problems with that. Also make sure they give you something in writing as to why they are letting you go, etc. etc. 5) Not everyone is going to like you at work...get used to it. Just make sure you stay professional at work with them but keep an arms distance from them at all times. 6) And finally, make sure you know it is their loss and not yours. For the longest time when I got discharged I was down in the dumps but I soon realized the problem lied with THEM and their screwed up office...not me. I learned from it and now after 6 weeks I found a new job and I really love it. I am my own boss and I do not have to deal with office politics...it is great. So just go to work and spend all your time looking for new work on the internet on their time. Make sure you walk out with your head held high even though it sucks. That way you will be more respected my the idiot workers there because they will be watching how you handle it. PROFESSIONALISM is the key. Good Luck Ken aka Hello Newman 434035[/snapback] Werd.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajzepp Posted September 8, 2005 Share Posted September 8, 2005 Sorry to hear of the situation, McJeff....I hope that you land on your feet soon, bro! Though I technically wasn't fired, I recently was "taken off payroll" at my job. I missed the better part of a month (after only being on the job since June) due to a sinus infection from hell. What pissed me off was that it was found to be a resistant bacteria that I most likely picked up from the unit I was working on (Im an RN). It wasn't until I saw a specialist that they finally got rid of it. Took three rounds of antibiotics to finally knock it out, but my job was knocked out in the process. Thankfully the climate for RN positions is very good and I have already received four offers in the first week of unemployment, but this was not a job I wanted to lose. Anyway, good luck with your situation! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snorom Posted September 8, 2005 Share Posted September 8, 2005 The IT field is one of the largest workforces in the US without any union, because for everyone with a job, there are 10 more that are ready to jump in and take yours for lesser pay if you quit or go on strike. 434011[/snapback] Yeah but there is a desperate need for unionized labor in the IT field. I am a Network Administrator with a CCNA, and I have a pretty good job. I am however accepting my call back to Boeing which will happen as soon as the strike is over and resuming my career as an Electronic technician. IT is fun, but I prefer working in the union. Plus I get paid $10 more an hour with better benefits, vacation, and retirement not to mention callback rights Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanster Posted September 8, 2005 Share Posted September 8, 2005 Hi, Just in case anyone thinks a union will save their bacon, 300 union jobs just got toasted in my hometown because the contract was about to be renewed and the union was making noises they would strike. One month before the union contract expired the parent company closed the mill. Bye bye. Mind you they probably had their share of extra lives being in the manufacturing industry in North America. Tough to justify paying someone 30 bucks an hour when someone in Asia will do the same job for 30 bucks a month. Having said that, any qualified lab techs out there? If you are (or are interested to become one) you can write your ticket for the next 20 years or so.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcjeff215 Posted September 8, 2005 Author Share Posted September 8, 2005 Yeah but there is a desperate need for unionized labor in the IT field. I am a Network Administrator with a CCNA, and I have a pretty good job. I am however accepting my call back to Boeing which will happen as soon as the strike is over and resuming my career as an Electronic technician. IT is fun, but I prefer working in the union. Plus I get paid $10 more an hour with better benefits, vacation, and retirement not to mention callback rights 434072[/snapback] I have no idea what I prefer. I've got a CCNA, RHCE, and a SCJP, plus most of my BS. Yet, for all of that, I just continue to get dumped on. Benefits suck, and so on... but I've never been much of a labor union fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted September 8, 2005 Share Posted September 8, 2005 The IT field is one of the largest workforces in the US without any union, because for everyone with a job, there are 10 more that are ready to jump in and take yours for lesser pay if you quit or go on strike. 434011[/snapback] that's why you need a union Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erynthered Posted September 8, 2005 Share Posted September 8, 2005 that's why you need a union 434093[/snapback] Dont turn this thread into a " We need a Union " Bull shiit with Tracy. Let it go. Good luck McJeff, sounds like you've had some good advice here and some good contacts. Good luck to you and your family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadBuffaloDisease Posted September 9, 2005 Share Posted September 9, 2005 Having said that, any qualified lab techs out there? If you are (or are interested to become one) you can write your ticket for the next 20 years or so.. Same thing with pharmacists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eventualchamps Posted September 9, 2005 Share Posted September 9, 2005 McJeff: Sorry to hear about the bad news. Hopefully the Bills win this weekend will give you a lift! I'm a higher level exec. and have been involved in too many firings to care for. My two cents is that they are trying to coach you out. They may have a number of reasons why they are doing this. Usu. the number one reason (esp. with smaller companies) is fear of litigation and sometimes, unemployment (but that depends upon the state). I am not one to beat around the bush so I would approach your manager directly, and ask them if they feel there is an opportunity to correct things (that is, if you want to stay). If so, get a concrete list of what they expect and ensure that your progress is measurable. In addition, arrange a series of meetings to measure your progress. If you don't want to stick around, I would approach your manager (very cordially) and tell them that from your last conversation, you get the sense they feel the situation is uncorrectable. I would then tell your manager it is an difficult situattion. If you truly feel you are part of the problem, but they are as well - quickly lay your thoughts on the table (key here is to be very cordial and not get caught up in a finger pointing situation..start with your shortcomings and then go to theirs). Then tell them you propose that they give you 2-4 weeks (pick a number...I would go with 4 as they can always come back with less) of pay and you can part your ways. Do it as soon as soon as possible. You sound like a good person, make the hard decision and don't look for a job on their time. Not only will you be cheating yourself, but you will be stealing from them. As an aside, I would respectfully disagree with the usefullness of unions in this day and age. With the continued march towards a global economy, they will become a thing of the past. As for CEO's high pay and for that matter, anyones pay, most companies look at the ROI. Good CEO's can effect an enormous ROI. Bad ones......let's just say that the ROI doesn't look so good. It's similar to sports, you pay the stud free-agents big money because you hope they are going to make a huge impact on the team (Takeo Spikes). However, sometimes that does not happen (Peerless Price). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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