jc707270 Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 Ahhhh thanks brandon! The list that I looked at had sullivan as a rt. Freeny wasn't considered a can't miss product and many people wonder about his size if i remember. But they should have picked him if they thought he would be as good as he is. This is the reason why I say also blame the scouts and or coaches. But of course it all comes back to TD, it's just easier that way I guess. But I think our scouts dropped the ball too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc707270 Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 It's all hindsight. Roy Williams would have been the next best player, but would you want to be paying a SS what Big Mike is making, especially someone who is NOW playing worse than Big Mike? 413216[/snapback] Exactly, NO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San-O Posted August 20, 2005 Author Share Posted August 20, 2005 Hard to believe are you kidding? Why would another team want to have the #4 pick. You gotta have someone who wants someone to move up and pick higher. There was nobody worth doing it for in that draft. Also if it was a bad pick, then who could we have drafted?? freeny I believe plays the same position as schobel who we had just drafted the year before. Roy williams at saftey would have been good but a couple slots lower. Why would someone just say hey will help you guys out. If your gonna say it's a bad pick, ok then. But blame the scouts also and not just TD. Both are responsible! To pass on the pick would just be foolish and you know it. That just says you don't like TD which is fine cause I have problems with him to, but come on. You and every other bills fan would have ripped his head off at the neck if he would have just passed on the pick!413215[/snapback] LOL Ok, you're right! No passing on a pick. Where is Mike Ditka when you need him!!! Didn't Detroit do it two years on a row? How long before you start to see these happen? Will we ever see this happen? What about a straight-up swap of draft spots, just to save money? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 There were no RT's taken in the top ten in the 2005 draft. http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/round/round1 Get your facts straight. Oh yeah, Jordan started all 16 games last year, 2004 at LT. 413200[/snapback] Hooked on phonics can work for you. I said 2 were taken in the 1st. Jordan Gross "Im glad to be back on the right, its my natural position" On another board, it was posted that right now, there are 7 1st round RT's compared to only 3, starting that were drafted in the 1st round since 2002. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San-O Posted August 20, 2005 Author Share Posted August 20, 2005 Hooked on phonics can work for you. I said 2 were taken in the 1st. Jordan Gross "Im glad to be back on the right, its my natural position" On another board, it was posted that right now, there are 7 1st round RT's compared to only 3, starting that were drafted in the 1st round since 2002. 413237[/snapback] How about hooked on numbers? Top 10. Hmmm? How about top 5? Don't care about the entire first round, MW was taken # 4 overall. PS. Gallery will probably be a Pro Bowl selection this year, so that's OK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34-78-83 Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 Back to the present... Mike Williams looked very impressive in the first half and has all camp long this season. Tonight he held his blocks for nice duration and even when exposed on an "island" held up extremely well in pass protection. Since about half way through last season, MW has certainly earned his money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 How about hooked on numbers? Top 10. Hmmm? How about top 5? Don't care about the entire first round, MW was taken # 4 overall. PS. Gallery will probably be a Pro Bowl selection this year, so that's OK. 413254[/snapback] LoL. There have been more starting RT's drafted in the 1st round since Mike Williams draft than LT's. There have been more starting RT's drafted in the top 10 than LT's since Mike Williams draft. There have been more starting RT's drafted in the top 5 than LT's since Mike Williams draft. That said, does Mike Williams have to play up to his selection? Yeah, but do most of the players taken after Williams. The facts are that the Bills werent in a good situation, they needed OL, and they took the best OL according to many people. You draft on potential. He had potential and still does. There werent a lot of options. SImple conclusion is, Top 5 picks suck, unless you get a chance at a Star. We lose that last game in 2001, and we have Julius Peppers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San-O Posted August 20, 2005 Author Share Posted August 20, 2005 LoL. There have been more starting RT's drafted in the 1st round since Mike Williams draft than LT's. There have been more starting RT's drafted in the top 10 than LT's since Mike Williams draft. There have been more starting RT's drafted in the top 5 than LT's since Mike Williams draft. That said, does Mike Williams have to play up to his selection? Yeah, but do most of the players taken after Williams. The facts are that the Bills werent in a good situation, they needed OL, and they took the best OL according to many people. You draft on potential. He had potential and still does. There werent a lot of options. SImple conclusion is, Top 5 picks suck, unless you get a chance at a Star. We lose that last game in 2001, and we have Julius Peppers. 413270[/snapback] There has been 1 Top Ten RT taken before MW, in last ten years. There has been 1 Top Ten RT taken after MW in the last three years. Three RTs taken in Top Ten last ten years. That should tell you something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 There has been 1 Top Ten RT taken before MW in last ten years. There has been 1 Top Ten RT taken after MW in the last ten years. 413278[/snapback] Your wrong. Look at the rosters. Gallery is at RT. Gross is at RT. Williams is at RT. You can guess all you want about what will happen in the future, this is Fact. Why do you keep on saying otherwise? These guys are at RT period and many other 1st rounders are at RT, more than LT since 2002. Im done with this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Frenkle Posted August 21, 2005 Share Posted August 21, 2005 How about hooked on numbers? Top 10. Hmmm? How about top 5? Don't care about the entire first round, MW was taken # 4 overall. PS. Gallery will probably be a Pro Bowl selection this year, so that's OK. 413254[/snapback] Mike Williams has a better chance of going to the Pro Bowl this year than Gallery. Gallery barely saw the starting lineup last year. It's easy to get ideas about a player stuck in your head and be stubborn about it when that player makes strides and improves, especially at a position like tackle that is hard for Joe Fan to evaluate. I guess you don't like Mike Williams or his salary and are still in love with last year's tackle poster boy Robert Gallery even though Big Mike is clearly better at this point in his career. Try basing your opinions on something other than the crap that everyone's been spewing for the past few years. Try mixing in some game tape before busting on offensive linemen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San-O Posted August 21, 2005 Author Share Posted August 21, 2005 Mike Williams has a better chance of going to the Pro Bowl this year than Gallery. Gallery barely saw the starting lineup last year. It's easy to get ideas about a player stuck in your head and be stubborn about it when that player makes strides and improves, especially at a position like tackle that is hard for Joe Fan to evaluate. I guess you don't like Mike Williams or his salary and are still in love with last year's tackle poster boy Robert Gallery even though Big Mike is clearly better at this point in his career. Try basing your opinions on something other than the crap that everyone's been spewing for the past few years. Try mixing in some game tape before busting on offensive linemen. 413300[/snapback] You're high. Talk about spewing crap. Gallery was a rookie last year. He started 15 games and appeared in all 16, and that O-line gave up only 30 sacks all year. http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/492940 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted August 21, 2005 Share Posted August 21, 2005 Mike Williams has a better chance of going to the Pro Bowl this year than Gallery. Gallery barely saw the starting lineup last year. It's easy to get ideas about a player stuck in your head and be stubborn about it when that player makes strides and improves, especially at a position like tackle that is hard for Joe Fan to evaluate. I guess you don't like Mike Williams or his salary and are still in love with last year's tackle poster boy Robert Gallery even though Big Mike is clearly better at this point in his career. Try basing your opinions on something other than the crap that everyone's been spewing for the past few years. Try mixing in some game tape before busting on offensive linemen. 413300[/snapback] Mike Williams was average at best for 2 1/2 years. In the second half of last year, he graduated to good. His cap figure is 7 mil. The Bills have probably already paid him 20 million dollars. No matter how you slice it, Bills fans have every right to be not so pleased by his performance, your indignance notwithstanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted August 21, 2005 Share Posted August 21, 2005 It's all hindsight. Roy Williams would have been the next best player, but would you want to be paying a SS what Big Mike is making, especially someone who is NOW playing worse than Big Mike? 413216[/snapback] My hindsight pick is DT John Henderson and signing then free agent RT Victor Riley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted August 21, 2005 Share Posted August 21, 2005 I guess the first five times you posted the exact same thread wasn't enough, huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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