Buffalo is the 2nd best team in the AFC

[Instincts]

Despite the record that Denver has.. as a Pats fan I feel like Buffalo is better.  I got 1. Patriots, 2. Buffalo, 3. Broncos, and then not sure where everyone else falls.. maybe Texans? 

[Doc Brown]

It's really close at the top but even if we lose next week I'd still put the Bills over the Pats come playoff time.  That's only if we get Bosa, Oliver, Palmer, and Kincaid all back at full health for that game.  That may be a big ask.  Palmer would also help.  That Pats game took 3 turnovers (two inside our own 30) and one nearing the red zone and they still won by only three in the first matchup.  The AFC is the most wide open it's been in a long time. 

 

I'd pry rank them right now in who I think will make the playoffs as Bills, Texans, Patriots, Broncos, Jaguars, Chargers, and Steelers.  The first six being really close. 

[BillytheKid]

If you had those 4 teams in the playoffs right now and each team needs to win a game against one of the other teams, the Patriots would be the least likely to win out of the 4 in my opinion. 
 

Guess we will see. Doesn’t matter what any of us think though as they will play the games and it will show. 

[Ray Stonada]

21 minutes ago, Instincts said:

Despite the record that Denver has.. as a Pats fan I feel like Buffalo is better.  I got 1. Patriots, 2. Buffalo, 3. Broncos, and then not sure where everyone else falls.. maybe Texans? 

 

Oh, you got the Patriots as number one? As a Pats fan?

 

Really nice contribution.

 

 

[Instincts]

14 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

It's really close at the top but even if we lose next week I'd still put the Bills over the Pats come playoff time.  That's only if we get Bosa, Oliver, Palmer, and Kincaid all back at full health for that game.  That may be a big ask.  Palmer would also help.  That Pats game took 3 turnovers (two inside our own 30) and one nearing the red zone and they still won by only three in the first matchup.  The AFC is the most wide open it's been in a long time. 

 

I'd pry rank them right now in who I think will make the playoffs as Bills, Texans, Patriots, Broncos, Jaguars, Chargers, and Steelers.  The first six being really close. 

You cannot do that. Lets be adults about this, the Patriots would have beaten you twice, won the division and progressed to 12-2.  It doesn't matter how the Patriots beat you, 3 turnovers, 1 turnover, whatever thats one of the ways teams beat other teams.  At that point you are just being extreme biased and not realistic. 

8 minutes ago, Ray Stonada said:

 

Oh, you got the Patriots as number one? As a Pats fan?

 

Really nice contribution.

 

 

Whats their record?  What is the Bills record?  And even with that I'm being nice despite the records and yall STILL cannot appreciate that lol football fans are loyal to a fault almost lol we all are as fans.

[Ray Stonada]

10 minutes ago, Instincts said:

You cannot do that. Lets be adults about this, the Patriots would have beaten you twice, won the division and progressed to 12-2.  It doesn't matter how the Patriots beat you, 3 turnovers, 1 turnover, whatever thats one of the ways teams beat other teams.  At that point you are just being extreme biased and not realistic. 

Whats their record?  What is the Bills record?  And even with that I'm being nice despite the records and yall STILL cannot appreciate that lol football fans are loyal to a fault almost lol we all are as fans.

Thank you, tiddlywinks. 

[GunnerBill]

If none of Cincy, Baltimore or KC make it the ONLY and I mean ONLY team in the playoffs with a chance to beat the Bills best punch is the Texans and that is because those two pass rushers are an elite level strength and two years in a row we have had no answers for them. 

 

The problem for the Bills this year is their own inconsistency - which is partly the injuries... as Sean said last week they have barely been able to get the same starting defense on the field for two consecutive games all season but is also partly they have looked slightly like the Brady Patriots occasionally looked in the mid-Belichick / Brady era to me - a team bored of the regular season and knowing in week 1 that it is all about the playoffs. And the Bills are not talented enough to just roll regardless in some key spots. 

 

If the Bills are at 80% of their best then I think New England can beat them. Denver can beat them. Jacksonville (our bogey team anyway) can beat them. 

 

The question is just how close to the best version of themselves can Buffalo be come the post-season? 

[Doc Brown]

Just now, Instincts said:

You cannot do that. Lets be adults about this, the Patriots would have beaten you twice, won the division and progressed to 12-2.  It doesn't matter how the Patriots beat you, 3 turnovers, 1 turnover, whatever thats one of the ways teams beat other teams.  At that point you are just being extreme biased and not realistic. 

Well, all of Vegas must be biased then as they have Buffalo as 1.5 point favorites next week in New England who's coming off a bye so I'm not the only one.  I still think you guy's are a year away and benefited from a ridiculously easy schedule.  I don't know how Maye will perform when the pressure is on in the playoffs.  I don't trust Vrabel in the playoffs given his track record.

[Instincts]

8 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

If none of Cincy, Baltimore or KC make it the ONLY and I mean ONLY team in the playoffs with a chance to beat the Bills best punch is the Texans and that is because those two pass rushers are an elite level strength and two years in a row we have had no answers for them. 

 

The problem for the Bills this year is their own inconsistency - which is partly the injuries... as Sean said last week they have barely been able to get the same starting defense on the field for two consecutive games all season but is also partly they have looked slightly like the Brady Patriots occasionally looked in the mid-Belichick / Brady era to me - a team bored of the regular season and knowing in week 1 that it is all about the playoffs. And the Bills are not talented enough to just roll regardless in some key spots. 

 

If the Bills are at 80% of their best then I think New England can beat them. Denver can beat them. Jacksonville (our bogey team anyway) can beat them. 

 

The question is just how close to the best version of themselves can Buffalo be come the post-season? 

You cannot say this when the Patriots have already beaten yall in yall house.  Thats contradictory... to say Baltimore, Cincy or KC would be the only teams to beat Buffalo when New England has already beaten Buffalo and all of those other teams are either eliminated or close to and they weren't even good enough to beat non playoff teams to even make it to the post season to begin with.  This is too easy. 

Edited 1 hour ago by Instincts

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, Instincts said:

You cannot say this when the Patriots have already beaten yall in yall house.  Thats contradictory... to say Baltimore, Cincy or KC would be the only teams to beat Buffalo when New England has already beaten Buffalo and all of those other teams are either eliminated or close to and they weren't even good enough to beat non playoff teams to even make it to the post season to begin with.  This is too easy. 

 

That is absolutely not what I said though. 

[Instincts]

5 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Well, all of Vegas must be biased then as they have Buffalo as 1.5 point favorites next week in New England who's coming off a bye so I'm not the only one.  I still think you guy's are a year away and benefited from a ridiculously easy schedule.  I don't know how Maye will perform when the pressure is on in the playoffs.  I don't trust Vrabel in the playoffs given his track record.

A year away? So were they supposed to even be competitive this season?  Were they supposed to even win 12 or more games like they are about to this season? 

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

That is absolutely not what I said though. 

but it absolutely is.... the only difference is I didn't add the Texans in my rebuttal because I didn't need to, to make my point. 

[Matt_In_NH]

Don’t feed the trolls!!

[GunnerBill]

8 minutes ago, Instincts said:

 

but it absolutely is.... the only difference is I didn't add the Texans in my rebuttal because I didn't need to, to make my point. 

 

19 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

 

If the Bills are at 80% of their best then I think New England can beat them. Denver can beat them. Jacksonville (our bogey team anyway) can beat them. 

 

 

Nope. It really isn't.

[Instincts]

7 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

 

Nope. It really isn't.

How could Texans be the only team with a puncher's chance when they have a lesser record than New England, and lesser QB, and will barely make it in the playoffs?... 🤦‍♂️ And if Patriots already beat Buffalo in the regular season wouldn't that mean not only do they have a punchers chance but they already proved they could in a tough environment? I'm pretty sure Diggs and Hollins will be motivated again.  I'm also sure they will be motivated to still be underdogs in their house after being a team in THEIR house. 

Edited 1 hour ago by Instincts

[Delete_Delete_Delete]

Pats are fools gold. They’ll be one and done like Vrabel’s over achieving Tannehill teams.

[GunnerBill]

4 minutes ago, Instincts said:

How could Texans be the only team with a puncher's chance when they have a lesser record than New England, and lesser QB, and will barely make it in the playoffs?... 🤦‍♂️ And if Patriots already beat Buffalo in the regular season wouldn't that mean not only do they have a punchers chance but they already proved they could in a tough environment? I'm pretty sure Diggs and Hollins will be motivated again.  I'm also sure they will be motivated to still be underdogs in their house after being a team in THEIR house. 

 

The point you are (wilfully) missing is I said if the Bills dip a bit below their best then they can lose to any of New England, Denver or Jacksonville. That is what happened when we lost to you earlier in the year, the Bills made mistakes, dropped a bit below their best and when they do that they are vulnerable. They have been all year. And they are horribly inconsistent. 

 

What I am saying is every team turned up in the playoffs and played their absolute best game then the only team that would have a chance to beat the Bills is Houston because that pass rush vs our tackles is a major advantage for them. The Bills have lost playoff games to the Chiefs where they have played really, really well and still lost. I don't see a situation against Pats, Boncos, Jags where a playoff game finishes and I think "man the Bills played great and still lost."

 

The Bills could easily lose to New England next weekend. They could also easily beat them. It depends which version of the Bills turns up. 

[SoonerBillsFan]

Texans are getting hot at the right time, and it seems we have no answer for them

[billsgpr88]

It’s clear that under the very thin pretext of wanting to talk football with/ understand the perspective of another fan base, this guy is here just to wallow in our misery anytime the bills lose to the patriots. Why join an opposing team’s message board? There’s something just pathetic about it…

[Neo]

The bandwagon, empty for so many years, is picking up passengers.

[Kelly to Allen]

Assuming Kc, Baltimore and Cincinnati are out

 

I got

 

Buffalo, Houston and Pats in tier 1. Id favor buffalo by just a little because of their oline, tes and QB pedigree. Buffalo can generate a dangerous 4 man pass rush if bosa and oliver are healthy...no mahomes in the playoffs means the bills have the best QB in the playoffs. 

 

Pats have an excellent young QB and nice weapons. They're excellent at corner. If they get the 1 seed anything can happen 

 

Houston is extremely tough, excellent defense but I'm just not sure they've the full offensive package to get to the super bowl. 

 

Then I have Denver and Jacksonville in tier 2. I don't trust their QBs, although they're talented 

 

Pittsburgh/ LA chargers in tier 3

 

 

Steelers are a little underrated because they still have a legitimate QB with a lot of experience and solid vets on defense. I know nobody takes them seriously but they could surprise ppl in a playoff atmosphere 

 

Chargers could surprise and have a good QB 

 

If Cincinnati or Kc got in relatively healthy, they're in tier 1.  Cincinnati if they would've won today might have been the most dangerous team in the playoffs. Burrow was 8-0 in his last 8 starts and their QB/ passing game is the best in the NFL imo. That's is not anything close to a 4-8 team. 

Edited 20 minutes ago by Kelly to Allen