Jim Kelly Rich Eisen interview

[eball]

Just now, Dan Darragh said:

I loved Joe, but wouldn't put him in the category of "royalty"

Check his stats. And his numbers were depressed because in the mid-70s they were OJ dominant. 
 

Fergy was a top QB in the league for a number of years. 
 

[Fr. Jerk]

9 hours ago, Dan Darragh said:

Jack, Jim and Josh - we've enjoyed some real royalty at the QB position over the decades.

 

[Dan Darragh]

4 minutes ago, eball said:

Check his stats. And his numbers were depressed because in the mid-70s they were OJ dominant. 
 

Fergy was a top QB in the league for a number of years. 
 

Don't need to tell me, I watched every game.  Hardest Bills loss for me was the playoff game at the end of the 1980 season.  Joe was positively heroic in that game and I felt so bad for him.

 

But I don't put him in the category of "Royalty" - that's very subjective but that's where I draw the line.

[Bag of Milk]

9 minutes ago, eball said:

Check his stats. And his numbers were depressed because in the mid-70s they were OJ dominant. 
 

Fergy was a top QB in the league for a number of years. 
 

Yeah, in his best year he threw 26 Td's!

But ,in the same year he threw 25 interceptions! So there is that. Lol

 

Joe Ferguson was never ,and I mean never, was considered one of the best Qb's in the league.

 

 

[AlBUNDY4TDS]

9 hours ago, Dan Darragh said:

Jack, Jim and Josh - we've enjoyed some real royalty at the QB position over the decades.

How dare you leave gibran hamdan off of this esteemed list!

[Bills!Win!]

2 hours ago, Bill51390 said:

The only thing that could keep him, would maybe be if he started having kids soon. Harder to move once you start planting those roots. 

Looks like we will be rooting for some roots 

[eball]

51 minutes ago, Bag of Milk said:

Yeah, in his best year he threw 26 Td's!

But ,in the same year he threw 25 interceptions! So there is that. Lol

 

Joe Ferguson was never ,and I mean never, was considered one of the best Qb's in the league.

 

 

 

Ok, perhaps as a kid I remembered him too fondly.  But he could sling it.

 

And by the way, Jack Kemp’s stats are pretty horrific.

 

 

Edited 1 hour ago by eball

[T&C]

10 hours ago, Dan Darragh said:

Jack, Jim and Josh - we've enjoyed some real royalty at the QB position over the decades.

Always thought Harris needed better receivers...

[dave mcbride]

1 hour ago, Bag of Milk said:

Yeah, in his best year he threw 26 Td's!

But ,in the same year he threw 25 interceptions! So there is that. Lol

 

Joe Ferguson was never ,and I mean never, was considered one of the best Qb's in the league.

 

 

QB stats in the 1970s were different in relative terms from what they are now. You need to look at context, and PFR's adjusted passer rating provides that. Between 1974 and 1980 - the prime of his career - he finished above 100 (with 100 being league average) six out of seven years: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/FergJo00.htm. 

 

Also, @eball, if you look at the adjusted passer ratings for Kemp, he wasn't great, but he wasn't horrible relative to the rest of the league. In 1964 (a year in which the Bills won the AFL championship with an 11-2 record), he only completed 44.2 percent of his passes and had 13 TDs against 26 INTs. Yet he also led the league in YPA (hard to believe given his completion rate) at 8.5 ypa (extremely high by today's standards, even; Josh Allen's career high is 7.9, although he's at 8.1 this season). The reason? The average completed catch was 19.2 yards! That would never happen now, and I suspect as a consequence that many of those 26 INTs were 45-yard arm punts. It was truly bombs away back then. Anyway, you simply can't take 1960s and 1970s stats and draw convincing conclusions unless you place them in the proper context. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/K/KempJa00.htm

Edited 45 minutes ago by dave mcbride