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Politically this is a dumb, impulsive move by Trump. This raises the political stature of Kelley and puts Trump and his party on the side of wanting the military to be able to execute illegal orders. It also involves free speech issues like - can the government regulate the speech of retired vets? I doubt it all goes anywhere. 

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6 minutes ago, Andy1 said:

Politically this is a dumb, impulsive move by Trump. This raises the political stature of Kelley and puts Trump and his party on the side of wanting the military to be able to execute illegal orders. It also involves free speech issues like - can the government regulate the speech of retired vets? I doubt it all goes anywhere. 

 

I think the entire thing is dumb on both sides.

Service people are obligated to not oblige "illegal" orders.

They don't need to be told that.

 

Regarding the "free speech" comment, not a player.

He is obligated to conform to the UCMJ . 

Nothing "free speech" about it. It's quit clear.

 

Another useless confrontation that gets the press all excited, but meaningless.

If the Administration directs an illegal order, then it's worth talking about.

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31 minutes ago, sherpa said:

 

I think the entire thing is dumb on both sides.

Service people are obligated to not oblige "illegal" orders.

They don't need to be told that.

 

Regarding the "free speech" comment, not a player.

He is obligated to conform to the UCMJ . 

Nothing "free speech" about it. It's quit clear.

 

Another useless confrontation that gets the press all excited, but meaningless.

If the Administration directs an illegal order, then it's worth talking about.

Both side?, you’re so simple. Trump ordered Pence not to do his constitutional duty in certifying the election. He has pardoned violent criminals, so yes, he has illegal orders in him. 
 

If you are actually saying Dems should not remind the military to follow the law with this criminal in the White House then you are just being blindly partisan. How dare the Dems offer a reminder! 
 

Do you actually think they committed treason? Again, you jump to attack Dems for their reminder to follow the law but nothing about your prez issuing death threats. 

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12 minutes ago, Trump_is_Mentally_fit said:

Both side?, you’re so simple. Trump ordered Pence not to do his constitutional duty in certifying the election. He has pardoned violent criminals, so yes, he has illegal orders in him. 
 

If you are actually saying Dems should not remind the military to follow the law with this criminal in the White House then you are just being blindly partisan. How dare the Dems offer a reminder! 
 

Do you actually think they committed treason? Again, you jump to attack Dems for their reminder to follow the law but nothing about your prez issuing death threats. 

 

Another stupid post. 

I never suggested anyone committed treason.

I never needed to be reminded that I was obligated to not carry out an illegal mission.

Knowing that was part of the training.

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5 minutes ago, sherpa said:

 

Another stupid post. 

I never suggested anyone committed treason.

I never needed to be reminded that I was obligated to not carry out an illegal mission.

Knowing that was part of the training.

But a reminder wouldn’t have killed you. A reminder to live by the law is not treason and shouldn’t be treated as so, you can agree with that, right? 

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14 minutes ago, sherpa said:

 

Another stupid post. 

I never suggested anyone committed treason.

I never needed to be reminded that I was obligated to not carry out an illegal mission.

Knowing that was part of the training.

not everyone does what they're trained to do.  otherwise there would be no need for court martial and military  prisons.

 

re Kelly, he also has speech protections afforded by the Constitution:

https://legalunitedstates.com/senator-mark-kelly/

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