Who do we want, who do we need as our next OC/DC?

[Sierra Foothills]

As most of you accept, Pegula will not likely terminate McBeane any time soon, if ever. These are the two individuals responsible for ending the 17 year playoff drought and turning the program into a near-model franchise with multiple and consecutive divisional titles. In addition the team is opening a new stadium next year and stability and proven track record are infinitely more important than the unknown quantity and uncertainty of a new administration.

 

Moreover, Pegula enjoys a strong relationship with McBeane and works with them on what seems like a daily basis... he might even view them as the sons that he never had or at least, he might feel that he is a mentor to the younger men.

 

So realistically, the only hope for those wishing that we can finally get over the hump and win a Super Bowl are based on who the Bills would hire as OC and DC to move on from the underwhelming performances of Brady and Babich. I think back to Buddy Ryan's defense making Mike Ditka a "Super Bowl-winning coach" and hope that improvement at the Coordinator level could pull us over the finish line in a similar way.

 

Who will realistically be available for the Bills to recruit into what are really plumb jobs? What are the ascending programs? Whose coaching tree can the Bills harvest from? Who are the next hot coordinator prospects?

 

Go Bills!

 

[nosejob]

Fitz and Kyle Williams

[NeverOutNick]

I hate even thinking about another year of McBeane running this franchise. DC doesn’t matter because McD won’t give them full control and OC could get better schematically but Beane won’t give the offense the weapons needed in the draft. Groundhogs day…

[GoBills808]

The coordinators are clearly operating within the existing system

 

Swapping them out will not change much

 

 

[Sierra Foothills]

6 minutes ago, nosejob said:

Fitz and Kyle Williams

 

Obviously this would be daring and unconventional... hiring two men who have not yet coached at the NFL level... it reminds me a bit of when the late Jim Irsay hired the recently retired player, Jeff Saturday as the Colts interim Head Coach.

 

As for Fitz, he's now a prominent media star and it would be years in the coaching grind before he could make anywhere as much money as he already does, making the easy money on national broadcasts.

 

Regarding Kyle, I see where he was hired this year at his alma mater, LSU as their Defensive Line Coach. Maybe he's another year or two away from being a viable candidate.

 

[nosejob]

I think Fitz would be  a great OC.  He could even back up Josh.  Kyle would straighten this Dline out once and for all.

[NeverOutNick]

1 minute ago, nosejob said:

I think Fitz would be  a great OC.  He could even back up Josh.  Kyle would straighten this Dline out once and for all.

Honestly if you’re keeping the clown show the same at the top, it would make it more entertaining with Fitz and Kyle Williams if they were even interested. 

[Sierra Foothills]

6 minutes ago, NeverOutNick said:

I hate even thinking about another year of McBeane running this franchise. DC doesn’t matter because McD won’t give them full control and OC could get better schematically but Beane won’t give the offense the weapons needed in the draft. Groundhogs day…

 

3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

The coordinators are clearly operating within the existing system

 

Swapping them out will not change much

 

There are a lot of Bills fans who believe as you guys believe, that McBeane won't change.

 

But what if the Bills are eliminated in the Wild Card Round?

 

Faced with a fan and media mutiny, that might change... no? I think McDermott has tried to change though I don't know what degree of change he's actually capable of.

 

For instance, would McDermott be capable of approaching Brian Daboll this offseason and saying, "Hey it didn't work out the first time as well as it could have. I need you and you need me. Let's see if we can lay down some ground rules and try this again."

 

Awaiting the one-word answer... 😆

 

Just now, NeverOutNick said:

Honestly if you’re keeping the clown show the same at the top, it would make it more entertaining with Fitz and Kyle Williams if they were even interested. 

 

I love the idea of these guys because I believe the organization lacks enough guys like Fitz and Kyle who aren't afraid to speak up when things need to be said. But the Bills are a very conservative organization, top to bottom. I don't think it's realistic.

 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

I'm not so confident that Beane isn't on the hot seat

[Sierra Foothills]

1 minute ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

I'm not so confident that Beane isn't on the hot seat

 

That's interesting... gut feeling?

 

[nosejob]

3 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

 

There are a lot of Bills fans who believe as you guys believe, that McBeane won't change.

 

But what if the Bills are eliminated in the Wild Card Round?

 

Faced with a fan and media mutiny, that might change... no? I think McDermott has tried to change though I don't know what degree of change he's actually capable of.

 

For instance, would McDermott be capable of approaching Brian Daboll this offseason and saying, "Hey it didn't work out the first time as well as it could have. I need you and you need me. Let's see if we can lay down some ground rules and try this again."

 

Awaiting the one-word answer... 😆

 

Daboll got hired away so I don't think there's a real beef with McD.   However we also lost Shoen and Terrance Gray? That's why we've gone down hill talent wise. Maybe BB says no to Dabs.

[gobills404]

If McD gets to scapegoat another coordinator without getting fired himself I might go insane

[EmotionallyUnstable]

Here’s a name:

 

Colts passing game coordinator (and former Buffalo Bill) Alex Tanney was with the Eagles as Hurts QB coach during his ascension. He’s now overseeing the offense of Daniel Jones who is having the best season of his career. 

[Sierra Foothills]

1 minute ago, nosejob said:

Daboll got hired away so I don't think there's a real beef with McD.   However we also lost Shoen and Terrance Gray? That's why we've gone down hill talent wise. Maybe BB says no to Dabs.

 

There was definitely tension between the two and the belief is that Daboll left at "just the right time." Maybe they could patch things up.

 

They did lose Schoen and Gray and they also lost Dan Morgan which I think was a big loss. That said I'm really liking the looks of the 2025 draft aside from not drafting a viable wide receiver prospect.

 

With regard to personnel, I think the biggest mistake the organization has made is under-prioritizing wide receiver. Other than that, the roster is as solid and has as few holes as most teams... IMO.

 

Just now, gobills404 said:

If McD gets to scapegoat another coordinator without getting fired himself I might go insane

 

Realistically that's our best hope, I believe. And if it gets us to where we want to go, who cares?

 

To me this isn't personal... I don't hate McDermott, I just don't ultimately believe in him so maybe if there are better people around him...

 

[NeverOutNick]

1 minute ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

 

There are a lot of Bills fans who believe as you guys believe, that McBeane won't change.

 

But what if the Bills are eliminated in the Wild Card Round?

 

Faced with a fan and media mutiny, that might change... no? I think McDermott has tried to change though I don't know what degree of change he's actually capable of.

 

For instance, would McDermott be capable of approaching Brian Daboll this offseason and saying, "Hey it didn't work out the first time as well as it could have. I need you and you need me. Let's see if we can lay down some ground rules and try this again."

 

Awaiting the one-word answer... 😆

 

I really don’t think either of them will ever change. They have proven it over the last eight years that they know better than everyone else in their minds. I mean, just look at the way Beane acted at the beginning of the year in that interview calling us fans and media fantasy football chasers and how McDermott never owns up to anything after he blows games with his poor planning and game management. It’s always someone else’s fault or we just didn’t have healthy players, etc. etc. But I can try to pretend an early playoff exit or missing the playoffs entirely in a year they were the clear favorites to get the 1 seed (ravens and chiefs basically handing it to us) will finally snap them in to reality that this organization needs to pour everything into Josh to win a SB for this city 

 

I will play the game though. Here’s hoping packers keep stumbling and Lafleur is a surprise fire. He’d make our offense awesome. 

[st pete gogolak]

If either Mike McDaniel or Kevin Stefanski is fired during the offseason, I would be thrilled with either as OC.

 

For DC, it’s got to be someone from outside the organization.  Maybe Stefanski can bring Schwartz along.

 

if you want to play some real 3D chess, fire McDermott and hire Josh McDaniel. It gives Josh Allen a real OC and sets NE back.

[CirclnWagons]

My son’s head coach was voted most outstanding youth football coach for the 4th straight season in the 7-9 year old division. I’d put him up against anyone currently making decisions at one bills drive based on what we’ve seen this year. Be glad to get them his info 

[Sierra Foothills]

4 minutes ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

Here’s a name:

 

Colts passing game coordinator (and former Buffalo Bill) Alex Tanney was with the Eagles as Hurts QB coach during his ascension. He’s now overseeing the offense of Daniel Jones who is having the best season of his career. 

 

You get a gold star and this is what I was hoping for.

 

Realistically established coordinators don't make lateral moves unless they're on the hot seat... and if they're on the hot seat they're generally not considered prime candidates.

 

So really for the most part, we're looking at those position coaches who are flying a bit under the radar of the average fan.

 

Great mention.

 

[NeverOutNick]

Just now, st pete gogolak said:

If either Mike McDaniel or Kevin Stefanski is fired during the offseason, I would be thrilled with either as OC.

 

For DC, it’s got to be someone from outside the organization.  Maybe Stefanski can bring Schwartz along.

 

if you want to play some real 3D chess, fire McDermott and hire Josh McDaniel. It gives Josh Allen a real OC and sets NE back.

Schwartz is a good D coordinator I’ve always thought that. I’d be down with any of your suggestions if we had to stay the course at the top

[Sierra Foothills]

4 minutes ago, NeverOutNick said:

... I really don’t think either of them will ever change... I can try to pretend an early playoff exit or missing the playoffs entirely in a year they were the clear favorites to get the 1 seed (ravens and chiefs basically handing it to us) will finally snap them in to reality that this organization needs to pour everything into Josh to win a SB for this city 

 

I will play the game though. Here’s hoping packers keep stumbling and Lafleur is a surprise fire. He’d make our offense awesome. 

 

That's an interesting suggestion. Are you aware of the heavy criticism of LaFleur's offense currently taking place in Green Bay? I'm not sure it's justified because they've had great offenses in the past.

 

Also it's a legit question of whether guys like LaFleur or (below) McDaniel or Stefanski would accept a coordinator position. Head Coaching salaries are guaranteed so they do have the option of smelling the roses for a season or two as they mull their options. 

 

Further, these 3 might get HC offers without having to rehab their reputations... it's hard to say. It's also hard to say if they're such football junkies that they'd rather coach than sit at home... maybe something like a "Senior Offensive Assistant" or "Assistant Head Coach for Offense" position.

 

3 minutes ago, st pete gogolak said:

If either Mike McDaniel or Kevin Stefanski is fired during the offseason, I would be thrilled with either as OC.

 

For DC, it’s got to be someone from outside the organization.  Maybe Stefanski can bring Schwartz along.

 

if you want to play some real 3D chess, fire McDermott and hire Josh McDaniel. It gives Josh Allen a real OC and sets NE back.

 

McDaniels is a twice failed Head Coach and he failed hard... 20-33 (.377).

 

No way the team sell him as a Head Coach and he wouldn't make a lateral move over to Orchard Park unless the money was ridiculous.

 

9 minutes ago, NeverOutNick said:

Schwartz is a good D coordinator I’ve always thought that. I’d be down with any of your suggestions if we had to stay the course at the top

 

Schwartz strikes me as the kind of guy who still harbors HC aspirations. If Stefanski is gone after this season and the Browns pass over Schwartz, he could possibly be amenable to a DC position here although (and here's the big thing) McDermott would have to check his ego (insecurity?) and defensive philosophy at the door in order for it to work.