Who do we want, who do we need as our next HC and, or GM?

[GunnerBill]

11 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Let’s do a little hypothetical. If, over the next 5 years, the Bills do EXACTLY what they did over the last 5 will you be satisfied? Basically, if they win the division and a playoff game or 2 each year will you deem that success? At the end of that time they’ll have a 35 or 36-year-old Josh Allen, 5 more AFCE titles, 60 more wins and 2 AFC Championship appearances. Is that good enough for you? 

 

Of course it isn't. Shouldn't be good enough for anyone. It does slightly come back to "why has it not been better?" though. I don't think that answer is quite as simple as others do - but that's the modern sports landscape - coaches get over blamed for everything. Sunday felt like an end of days for this regime. If the rest of the season looks like that there will be a change I think, as much as I suspect Pegula is instinctively cautious to move on. 

[ScottishBills]

13 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Of course it isn't. Shouldn't be good enough for anyone. It does slightly come back to "why has it not been better?" though. I don't think that answer is quite as simple as others do - but that's the modern sports landscape - coaches get over blamed for everything. Sunday felt like an end of days for this regime. If the rest of the season looks like that there will be a change I think, as much as I suspect Pegula is instinctively cautious to move on. 

Coaches are blamed as that is the easiest lever to pull.

You cant change (all) the players.

You cant dump all the contracts.

You cant just get rid of the nearly man syndrome that has put a downer on a largely excellent 5 years

 

But if we agree it wouldn't be good enough to do the same for the next 5 years - then the coach and GM are the things that can be changed to try and engineer a better result, the ultimate result.

 

As has been repeated thousands of times, those on this side of the fence are not morons as several posters (not you!) like to state - we are perfectly aware that it could end up worse. At the same time as understanding it could end up better. And crucially, worse no longer bothers a lot of us - its not as bad as the lack of access to a higher ceiling.

 

If it goes from AFCE and divisional exit after the defence fails (again!) and the offence comes up short (again!) to 2nd place in the division and a wildcard exit - lots of us are not bothered. If it goes to 3rd place and missing out on the playoffs, again, thats fine. We will get a different coach and try again.

 

What is not fine is ambling along with the exact same !@#$ing plan every year into the exact same !@#$ing result.

 

I mean the WR conversation is so boring to a lot of people because its been the exact same issue for almost 2 years now!! Without being fixed. Its shambolic.

The lack of elite talent is even a longer term issue - Beano's obsession with 6.5/10 players is a massive part of the issue. And its part of the same tired philosophy - it should get us the division and a chance in the post-season (even that is wavering this year, but to be fair, that hasn't been in question for 5 years and fair play to them for that). The same ***** Tomlin spouts every year.

 

Zooming out - I don't really know what to say to people who watch the Texans D or the Cleveland D or the Rams O or the Seahawks O and think "Yep, McBeane is as good as it gets, I feel confident they will get it done, no need to consider changing the plan".

 

I mean the Rams were literally giving away their picks at the side of the street and managed to get it rebuilt inside of a year. Meanwhile we are twiddling our thumbs saying "well when they are all fit, we'll be able to nickel and dime our way to a 3 point victory against the big boys" - its beyond a joke

 

 

 

 

 

 

[davefan66]

On 11/11/2025 at 4:26 PM, mjt328 said:

 

People keep saying this.  But you would be surprised how quickly things can spiral out of control.

 

When the season started, I would say the fire McDermott/Beane crowd was less than 10-20% of Bills fans.  Very much in the minority.  Now after the Dolphins loss, I would say it's at least 50%, if not well above that.  Pretty much everybody I know is done with them.  And as I write this, the team still has a 6-3 record, is still in the driver's seat for a playoff spot, and still (mathematically at least) in contention for both the division title and top seed in the conference.

 

There still seems to be some optimism lingering that Buffalo will turn things around.  But I'm not sure we see a repeat of the 2023 season.  The way this team has been playing on both sides of the ball all year long, I could easily see them dropping another 3-6 games.  The Bucs, Patriots and Eagles should be heavily favored at this point.  The Bengals could very likely have Joe Burrow back.  The Steelers and Texans are toss-ups.  

 

I'm not sure where the idea came from that McDermott and Beane are completely untouchable.  No owner was going to fire their GM or HC with the record they have amassed over the last 5-6 years.  But if they miss the playoffs, 90% of the fans in Buffalo and the voices in the media will be screaming for a change in leadership.  That pressure could be too hard for the Pegulas to ignore.

 

While I may agree that there is a larger percentage of fans wanting change than at the beginning of the season, it is nowhere near 50%.  The percentage you are referencing is most likely what you feel you see on this board. I don’t feel those who are steadfast proponents of the current regime, those who casually think we have the right group or those who are wait and see are adequately represented. Those who want regime change are more vocal and drown out those who feel otherwise.
 

It is every fans right to feel how they feel. If you want change and you want it now, you have the right to feel that.  So do those who prefer no change.

 

My opinion? I’m tired of getting close and not being able to get the job done. I am fatigued of giving my all caring about this team and not getting to the Super Bowl.  When we win a game, I get energized again.

 

Do I want change? Only if it guarantees we are better and does not waste time.  Will there be change? No, only chance for that is if we lose every game left on the schedule. Beane isn’t going anywhere. Beane isn’t going to toss McD under the bus. McD isn’t tossing Beane under the bus. If taken to the carpet with Pegs, they will cite injuries and whatever to save their jobs. Our record under this regime gives them at least one more season.  Even if we lose every last game, I don’t see them going anywhere.

 

Lastly, feel it’s kinda weird how vocal people are and we are 6-3. Yeah, lost games we expected to win. Pats have taken over the division, but with an easier schedule. Yeah, swung and missed on wide receivers. I will say this, even if we were 8-1, people would still be wanting change.  

[H2o]

On 11/11/2025 at 2:02 PM, Kirby Jackson said:

I have little to no interest in a recycled guy. I don’t “need” to see someone that won a long time ago. Bill Cowher was never the answer for the 20 straight years of people screaming for him. Gruden sucks. I also don’t think Shanahan and McVay are realistic so cross them off. Those teams aren’t trading their elite coaches because we want them to. Curt Cignetti was my guy but don’t think that we can afford him at this point. 
 

I think that Lane Kiffin is my guy now. He has just enough ego and edge. The Bills have lacked a swagger and killer mentality. This offense would be explosive. Lane would inject that confidence. Schwartz would be my goal at DC.
 

If Schoen gets fired he would be my GM target. He seems to be the scout. He’s drafted elite talent and the Bills roster was better when he was here. If not Schoen, I’d try to pry Nick Casserio away from the Texans. I don’t know what that looks like either but he’s excellent. 

I like the idea of Lane Kiffin as our HC. I feel like he has grown in a major way at Ole Miss. His offensive mind is exceptional. I think he would do great things here in that regard. The question would be who would he tap on the shoulder to manage the defense? You would hope it would be someone who ran an attacking style defense like his father. 

 

Schoen or Casserio would be quality hires, but there are a couple others I would absolutely consider. I would definitely bring John McKay in for an interview at the least, assistant GM of the LA Rams. He has worked his way up through the scouting and personnel  departments for the last 10 years before being tabbed as Assistant GM this year. I would also give an interview to Nolan Teasley, who is the assistant GM in Seattle and has been there since 2013 working his way up the ranks. 

 

 

[GunnerBill]

59 minutes ago, ScottishBills said:

Coaches are blamed as that is the easiest lever to pull.

You cant change (all) the players.

You cant dump all the contracts.

You cant just get rid of the nearly man syndrome that has put a downer on a largely excellent 5 years

 

But if we agree it wouldn't be good enough to do the same for the next 5 years - then the coach and GM are the things that can be changed to try and engineer a better result, the ultimate result.

 

 

I get that, but it is why fans tend to over index the impact that has. I think this regime has been for a couple of years in year to year territory. I think they overachieved slightly last year, this year it looks like they will underachieve, and that could very well mean time for a change. But I still overall don't think it is really coaching that is holding us back. I do think the team building approach has, and while that is largely on Beane I do believe he and McDermott are broadly aligned on the philosophy (though it doesn't excuse Beane blowing some of the picks). There is some merit in a fresh voice and fresh outlook and I am not a "don't fire people in case it gets worse" person. 

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

25 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I get that, but it is why fans tend to over index the impact that has. I think this regime has been for a couple of years in year to year territory. I think they overachieved slightly last year, this year it looks like they will underachieve, and that could very well mean time for a change. But I still overall don't think it is really coaching that is holding us back. I do think the team building approach has, and while that is largely on Beane I do believe he and McDermott are broadly aligned on the philosophy (though it doesn't excuse Beane blowing some of the picks). There is some merit in a fresh voice and fresh outlook and I am not a "don't fire people in case it gets worse" person. 

I could be wrong, but I think Beane goes before McDermott if things continue as current. I also think there have been breadcrumbs dropped that there is a separation between them. McDermott corrected the media and saying I "never said we want to be a running team" with " we want to be 2 dimensional", was a message sent before the trade deadline. Beane failed, and there could be reasons, by he failed never the less on multiple occasions to fix the WR problem with plenty of opportunity to do so. If things continue the ROS the way they have gone he could/should be a casualty.

Edited 14 minutes ago by D. L. Hot-Flamethrower