Why most NFL owners don't care if the team wins or loses regardless of the fans.

[SoonerBillsFan]

Two reasons.

 

1. Most are Billionaires outside of the NFL on their own.

2. Their teams make tons of money even if they suck.

 

But how can that be?  Well  first off for the 2025 NFL fiscal year, each team is expected to receive approximately $432.6 million in national revenue from sources like media rights, sponsorships, and licensing. This represents a 7.5% increase from the previous year, driven by the league's growing media deals with traditional broadcasters and streamers like Netflix, Amazon, and YouTube. 

 

The salary cap is $279.2 million per team.

 

So math says that is a 153.4 Million dollar profit by doing NOTHING.  Nothing... just sitting there.   They could literally have ZERO fans in the stands and still make a profit.  I get that there are stadium upkeep costs... which are mostly covered by the county and state per the stadium deal. They have to pay for signing bonuses, coaches salaries and what not, but that is easily covered by that 153 mill. (and those are tax deductions BTW).  So after all the costs, taxes, etc. you can bet an owner brings in minimum of 50 Million net and again that is if the Stadium NEVER has one fan in a seat.  PSL's, concessions, tickets, merchandise sales, that is all just icing on the cake, its the TV deals that make the wheel turn.

 

Why do you think shahid khan never cared that the Jags only had 13000 or so in the stands and he had to close off part of the seating?  Why do you think Brown doesn't care to pay for an OL or a Defense in Cincy?  Many of us came from an Era where almost all the Owners gave a damn about WINNING.  The Maras, Rooney's, DeBartolo's  and you bet your arse Al Davis all cared about winning.  Now its about TV and making a profit, they KNOW fans will flock to the stadiums, they just will.

 

I bring this up because my Brother Rich and I had a long conversation about this yesterday after the game and YES it started off focusing on IF Pegula would make a change in Regime AND we were remembering the NFL under Tagliabue (RIP Sir).  We agreed that we feel the NFL was better back then and maybe peaked under his time as the Commissioner. 

 

 As for Terry Pegula making a change, No.  We feel he has no incentive to, for the above listed reasons AND the Bills sure as hell look better than the sabers. But then we talked football in General again thinking about the current state overall, how we feel its watered down, and a pathetic shell of what it once was.  Why is Officiating so bad?  Well the owners don't care (see above) and we feel Vegas has a lot to do with it. And YES I am saying I think refs are being persuaded in some form by Vegas.

 

In the end the reality is this... watch or don't watch, spend your money on the Bills or any other team or don't.  Bottom line "It is what it is" and we have NO say, and NEVER will, in any of it.  We are all just along for the ride.  

 

End of Rant.  

[Jrb1979]

I agree with you. I saw a video the other day that said the same thing. I will say some owners are willing to spend to win. The Eagles owner comes to mind. Look at all the void years on a lot their contracts. 

 

[Gregg]

I wish Terry had a George Steinbrenner attitude when it came to winning and losing. I remember a famous quote he once said. "The two most important things in life are breathing and winning and not necessarily in that order". George wasn't perfect but, in my lifetime, I have seen the Yanks win 7 World Series with him as the owner.

[SoonerBillsFan]

4 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said:

I agree with you. I saw a video the other day that said the same thing. I will say some owners are willing to spend to win. The Eagles owner comes to mind. Look at all the void years on a lot their contracts. 

 

Dont get me wrong there are a handful of owners that I think still want to win, but how badly?  Philly definitely comes to mind as does KC ownership. 

Just now, Gregg said:

I wish Terry had a George Steinbrenner attitude when it came to winning and losing. I remember a famous quote he once said. "The two most important things in life are breathing and winning and not necessarily in that order". George wasn't perfect but, in my lifetime, I have seen the Yanks win 7 World Series with him as the owner.

Agreed, but again you are talking about a time long before this one.  Now its all about the money.

[Jrb1979]

1 minute ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

Dont get me wrong there are a handful of owners that I think still want to win, but how badly?  Philly definitely comes to mind as does KC ownership. 

Agreed, but again you are talking about a time long before this one.  Now its all about the money.

Add the Patriots to that list as well. I know many here hate it but Robert Kraft cares about winning. 

[bills6969]

But is it all just about profiting? Yeah, owners can spend the bare minimum and make a nice profit per year, but I would argue building the team value is more important.  You don’t do that unless you win, and to win, you need to spend.

[strive_for_five_guy]

20 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

Two reasons.

 

1. Most are Billionaires outside of the NFL on their own.

2. Their teams make tons of money even if they suck.

 

But how can that be?  Well  first off for the 2025 NFL fiscal year, each team is expected to receive approximately $432.6 million in national revenue from sources like media rights, sponsorships, and licensing. This represents a 7.5% increase from the previous year, driven by the league's growing media deals with traditional broadcasters and streamers like Netflix, Amazon, and YouTube. 

 

The salary cap is $279.2 million per team.

 

So math says that is a 153.4 Million dollar profit by doing NOTHING.  Nothing... just sitting there.   They could literally have ZERO fans in the stands and still make a profit.  I get that there are stadium upkeep costs... which are mostly covered by the county and state per the stadium deal. They have to pay for signing bonuses, coaches salaries and what not, but that is easily covered by that 153 mill. (and those are tax deductions BTW).  So after all the costs, taxes, etc. you can bet an owner brings in minimum of 50 Million net and again that is if the Stadium NEVER has one fan in a seat.  PSL's, concessions, tickets, merchandise sales, that is all just icing on the cake, its the TV deals that make the wheel turn.

 

Why do you think shahid khan never cared that the Jags only had 13000 or so in the stands and he had to close off part of the seating?  Why do you think Brown doesn't care to pay for an OL or a Defense in Cincy?  Many of us came from an Era where almost all the Owners gave a damn about WINNING.  The Maras, Rooney's, DeBartolo's  and you bet your arse Al Davis all cared about winning.  Now its about TV and making a profit, they KNOW fans will flock to the stadiums, they just will.

 

I bring this up because my Brother Rich and I had a long conversation about this yesterday after the game and YES it started off focusing on IF Pegula would make a change in Regime AND we were remembering the NFL under Tagliabue (RIP Sir).  We agreed that we feel the NFL was better back then and maybe peaked under his time as the Commissioner. 

 

 As for Terry Pegula making a change, No.  We feel he has no incentive to, for the above listed reasons AND the Bills sure as hell look better than the sabers. But then we talked football in General again thinking about the current state overall, how we feel its watered down, and a pathetic shell of what it once was.  Why is Officiating so bad?  Well the owners don't care (see above) and we feel Vegas has a lot to do with it. And YES I am saying I think refs are being persuaded in some form by Vegas.

 

In the end the reality is this... watch or don't watch, spend your money on the Bills or any other team or don't.  Bottom line "It is what it is" and we have NO say, and NEVER will, in any of it.  We are all just along for the ride.  

 

End of Rant.  

So you don’t think Terry cares if the Bills win or lose?  How do you measure if he cares or not?

[DrBob806]

Pretty much spot on. Once Jerry Jones and Stan Kroenke became right-hand men of Goodell, it's definitely all about the money.

 

I think these two guys looked at how Art Modell and Georgia Frontierre duped Paul Tagliabue into money-making schemes for themselves, and Roger Goodell references those situations into more greed for every team. 

 

NFL football is pretty much the most popular sport in the USA. The owners & Goodell know this and use our passion against us....PSLs, absurd ticket prices, etc.

 

Sad reality is two NFL franchises are owned by Walmart heirs (Rams, Broncos). Every penny spent there helps those teams, while they keep much of their working staff under 28 hours so they don't have benefits. Maybe that's another subject, but it's still lame as hell.

[Gregg]

1 minute ago, bills6969 said:

But is it all just about profiting? Yeah, owners can spend the bare minimum and make a nice profit per year, but I would argue building the team value is more important.  You don’t do that unless you win, and to win, you need to spend.

 

You do have to spend but the successful teams are the ones who draft really well. The Ravens are a good example of this. The foundation/core of your team is built through the draft. If Terry ever decides to clean house I would hope, he would look at organizations with a strong FO and a strong scouting staff who have a history of drafting well. The Ravens, Eagles, Chiefs are examples of teams who have done this. This is where Terry should look for the next GM. Then let him make the call on the next HC as well as bring in scouts who he feels comfortable working with. The scouting department for the Bills needs to be improved. IMHO. We have had to many misses with our picks and not enough HR's. Beane takes the fall for that, but the scouting department needs to held responsible as well.

[RobbRiddick]

I'm noticing a theme with today's topics. Did we lose to Miami or something? Hope not because I had 5k riding on us

[Big Turk]

19 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said:

I agree with you. I saw a video the other day that said the same thing. I will say some owners are willing to spend to win. The Eagles owner comes to mind. Look at all the void years on a lot their contracts. 

 

 

I'm guessing the fact Pegula ponied up $415 million in this past off-season on contract guarantees somehow is left out of this conversation? WTF are we doing here? Starting to make up random stuff and then convincing ourselves it's true?  

 

Holy Sh!t.  I've seen bad before on this board, but this is starting to really piss me off because half the stuff is just a bunch of bullsh!t.

[SoonerBillsFan]

4 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

I'm guessing the fact Pegula ponied up $415 million in this past off-season on contract guarantees somehow is left out of this conversation? WTF are we doing here? Starting to make up random stuff and then convincing ourselves it's true?  

 

Holy Sh!t.  I've seen bad before on this board, but this is starting to really piss me off because half the stuff is just a bunch of bullsh!t.

You can feel free to not respond and ignore.

[Big Turk]

1 minute ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

You can feel free to not respond and ignore.

 

So we can just keep the fake narrative that doesn't actually exist going? No thanks, I'd rather point out the BS. If you want to argue they spent the money on the wrong people, that's one thing. To argue they "aren't spending money", that's complete and utter BS.

[Big Turk]

3 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

Its not BS but keep drinking the kool aid

 

So I'm guessing $415 million just appeared out of thin air?  You realize those bonuses are paid out of pocket up front right?  They get accounted for on the cap spread out over the length of the contract but that money was written in the form of a check on the day that contract as signed. I'm not sure where you are residing, but it clearly is not in reality.

Edited 1 hour ago by Big Turk

[SoonerBillsFan]

2 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

So I'm guessing $415 million just appeared out of thin air?  You realize those bonuses are paid out of pocket up front right?  They get accounted for on the cap spread out over the length of the contract but that money was written in the form of a check on the day that contract as signed. I'm not sure where you are residing, but it clearly is not in reality.

You do understand that is a tax deduction for a billionaire with a 9 billion net worth right?

 

Maybe you need a dose of reality.

[Big Turk]

11 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

You do understand that is a tax deduction for a billionaire with a 9 billion net worth right?

 

Maybe you need a dose of reality.

 

How many other teams paid out $415 million this offseason? I'm guessing not many. As always, the biggest problem is the lack of comparison to other teams here.

Edited 1 hour ago by Big Turk

[Jrb1979]

27 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

I'm guessing the fact Pegula ponied up $415 million in this past off-season on contract guarantees somehow is left out of this conversation? WTF are we doing here? Starting to make up random stuff and then convincing ourselves it's true?  

 

Holy Sh!t.  I've seen bad before on this board, but this is starting to really piss me off because half the stuff is just a bunch of bullsh!t.

I never said anything about the Bills in my post.  

[WNYFAN1]

1 hour ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

Two reasons.

 

1. Most are Billionaires outside of the NFL on their own.

2. Their teams make tons of money even if they suck.

 

But how can that be?  Well  first off for the 2025 NFL fiscal year, each team is expected to receive approximately $432.6 million in national revenue from sources like media rights, sponsorships, and licensing. This represents a 7.5% increase from the previous year, driven by the league's growing media deals with traditional broadcasters and streamers like Netflix, Amazon, and YouTube. 

 

The salary cap is $279.2 million per team.

 

So math says that is a 153.4 Million dollar profit by doing NOTHING.  Nothing... just sitting there.   They could literally have ZERO fans in the stands and still make a profit.  I get that there are stadium upkeep costs... which are mostly covered by the county and state per the stadium deal. They have to pay for signing bonuses, coaches salaries and what not, but that is easily covered by that 153 mill. (and those are tax deductions BTW).  So after all the costs, taxes, etc. you can bet an owner brings in minimum of 50 Million net and again that is if the Stadium NEVER has one fan in a seat.  PSL's, concessions, tickets, merchandise sales, that is all just icing on the cake, its the TV deals that make the wheel turn.

 

Why do you think shahid khan never cared that the Jags only had 13000 or so in the stands and he had to close off part of the seating?  Why do you think Brown doesn't care to pay for an OL or a Defense in Cincy?  Many of us came from an Era where almost all the Owners gave a damn about WINNING.  The Maras, Rooney's, DeBartolo's  and you bet your arse Al Davis all cared about winning.  Now its about TV and making a profit, they KNOW fans will flock to the stadiums, they just will.

 

I bring this up because my Brother Rich and I had a long conversation about this yesterday after the game and YES it started off focusing on IF Pegula would make a change in Regime AND we were remembering the NFL under Tagliabue (RIP Sir).  We agreed that we feel the NFL was better back then and maybe peaked under his time as the Commissioner. 

 

 As for Terry Pegula making a change, No.  We feel he has no incentive to, for the above listed reasons AND the Bills sure as hell look better than the sabers. But then we talked football in General again thinking about the current state overall, how we feel its watered down, and a pathetic shell of what it once was.  Why is Officiating so bad?  Well the owners don't care (see above) and we feel Vegas has a lot to do with it. And YES I am saying I think refs are being persuaded in some form by Vegas.

 

In the end the reality is this... watch or don't watch, spend your money on the Bills or any other team or don't.  Bottom line "It is what it is" and we have NO say, and NEVER will, in any of it.  We are all just along for the ride.  

 

End of Rant.  

Couldn't agree more. If you step back, it's ridiculous that we put so much of our own personal well being (mentally) into this group of millionaires playing for a billionaire. NFL is a money machine and I'm not convinced the owners or the players care 1/2 as much as the fans about winning.

[SoonerBillsFan]

Just now, WNYFAN1 said:

Couldn't agree more. If you step back, it's ridiculous that we put so much of our own personal well being (mentally) into this group of millionaires playing for a billionaire. NFL is a money machine and I'm not convinced the owners or the players care 1/2 as much as the fans about winning.

They dont.  It means more to us fans then it does most of the owners

[SoonerBillsFan]

8 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

How many other teams paid out $415 million this offseason? I'm guessing not many. As always, the biggest problem is the lack of comparison to other teams here.

Again, this is a tax write off for a guy who is worth 9 bill of his own.

 

And you have missed what I was saying completely, all you want to do is argue just to argue. My main point was with the NFL as a whole.  All I said about Terry is he has no incentive to make a regime change.  If you disagree with that component,put up a valid discussion  challenging that part.

 

I will say this, and I will die on this hill,  KIM is the one who wanted the Bills and would have truly put all she had into winning.