notpolian Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago 6 minutes ago, In Summary said: What team is adjusting their game plan around Coleman? What defense is worried about always putting their top corner on him? Those are thresholds that he's not crossing this year. Especially when Coleman is the only WR on the field. That's what bothers me the most. We run the 13 personnel and we just don't have a threat on the outside. He blocks well but that is not enough. He is what I thought he'd be. When the coaches realize that, get someone else out there, and break the news to Allen is the question. 1 Quote
BillsFanForever19 Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago (edited) 4 hours ago, QCity said: This doesn't remotely fit Coleman. Heading into the Draft, almost no one here liked him as a prospect and even less wanted him to be our pick. After he was Drafted, we all had hopes that he'd succeed - as we do with all Draft Picks. But there was no hype from the fanbase over him. Just hopes that were pretty quickly dashed. Edited 3 hours ago by BillsFanForever19 1 Quote
In Summary Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 6 minutes ago, notpolian said: Especially when Coleman is the only WR on the field. That's what bothers me the most. We run the 13 personnel and we just don't have a threat on the outside. He blocks well but that is not enough. He is what I thought he'd be. When the coaches realize that, get someone else out there, and break the news to Allen is the question. Without many other options he'll certainly have the rest of the year to prove me wrong. Quote
Dafan Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago Comparing Eric Moulds first couple of years to Coleman is stupid. Moulds came on to the Bills with Andre Reed, Steve Tasker and Jay Riemersma, plus others. Moulds wasn't expecting to be the "guy", when he came here. And that was the WR/TE grouping for a few years. Moulds was WR4/5 for multiple years. Quote 1 Quote
Nephilim17 Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago Coleman can be a good athlete but just not the right fit for a boundary receiver. Like how a guy can be a great athlete for a linebacker but not a cornerback. Many people, scouts, here, and pundits, said when we drafted him that his best fit is a big slot. But we have Shakir so he plays outside. He's not playing in his ideal place. That's not really his fault. Beane reached on him for whatever reasons. I hope we draft a size/speed guy in the next draft who has proven experience playing outside. Quote
EssexBill Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago (edited) Got my hopes up after his 100 yard game v the ravens, unfortunately he’s not got even to 50% of that level since then. He looks like he’ll trip himself up every time I see him get into a full sprint (which isn’t often), like Forrest Gump with his leg braces on Edited 1 hour ago by EssexBill 1 Quote
Kirby Jackson Posted 57 minutes ago Posted 57 minutes ago 8 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said: While I agree that Josh was able to do something that you don't generally see, I don't think it's a comparable situation. He had an Elite bag of tools to work with. Keon is physically limited. There's nothing that can be done about his speed (or lack thereof) or his body type. Even if he became bigger and stronger, it would just serve to make him even slower. Totally fair. i probably should have been clearer and maybe not used Josh. I was trying to say he overcame his collegiate completion percentage issues in a similar manner. He did have elite tools though. Many thought he’d be the 1st overall pick. Harmon looked at the specifics of Keon’s separation metrics. Guys with those metrics succeeded at an incredibly low percentage and almost always in the slot. FWIW, I remember Amon-Ra St. Brown was a success story. Other guys were like Johnny Wilson. Quote
Kirby Jackson Posted 45 minutes ago Posted 45 minutes ago 8 hours ago, The Jokeman said: Keon's played in 3 less games and 40 less targets and has only 54 yards and 1 TD less receiving than Xavier Worthy 2 less games with 23 less targets and 162 more yards and as many TDs as Xavier Legette aka the two picks that he was traded for that and were drafted above him. I'm guessing we should have stayed put and drafted with of them instead? We should have sold out to get one of the big 3 (or even Thomas) because we needed a number 1. With all due respect, counting gross stats doesn’t tell me much of a story because there are so many variables that determine success. Who is your QB? What is your scheme? Who is the play caller? How many different ways can you help a team? What is asked of you? Where are you on the depth chart? Etc, etc, etc.. There is way too much information out there in 2025 to count yards/receptions/tds. That doesn’t tell you the story. That tells you how about their opportunity. We need to dig a little deeper and compare success within that opportunity. We didn’t have the luxury of taking an extremely flawed prospect and HOPING that he would defy his metrics. That was a bad plan. You needed more of a sure thing because that guy had to contribute. You couldn’t take on so much downside. Worthy would have 100% been a better pick. He wouldn’t be perfect but is a better player than Keon. I liked AD Mitchell, Legette and others above him too. He was WR 15 for me I think. I certainly liked McConkey above him because he was extremely safe. He was a guy that was going to eat targets because of his ability to get open and production in the SEC. The vacated a zillion targets with Gabe and Diggs leaving. They didn’t replace that in FA so they didn’t have the luxury of drafting a long shot prospect with major red flags. Keon “the idea” is as bad as Keon “the player.” This isn’t hindsight. This is well documented on here leading up to the 2024 draft. 1 Quote
Pete Posted 12 minutes ago Posted 12 minutes ago Please don’t ever use Eric Moulds and Keon In the same sentence. Moulds is probably the greatest WR I’ve ever seen on the Bills. He was fast, he was tough. He could outrun the D, or he could run them over. Keon is Beanes worst draft pick ever Quote
EssexBill Posted 4 minutes ago Posted 4 minutes ago 7 minutes ago, Pete said: Please don’t ever use Eric Moulds and Keon In the same sentence. Moulds is probably the greatest WR I’ve ever seen on the Bills. He was fast, he was tough. He could outrun the D, or he could run them over. Keon is Beanes worst draft pick ever Boogie Basham has entered the chat Quote
Pete Posted 2 minutes ago Posted 2 minutes ago Just now, EssexBill said: Boogie Basham has entered the chat Boogie wasn’t a 1st rounder. Beanes blown many DT draft picks. Dewayne is looking like a major bust too. That’s the pick we got trading back for Keon 🤮 Quote
EssexBill Posted just now Posted just now 2 minutes ago, Pete said: Boogie wasn’t a 1st rounder. Beanes blown many DT draft picks. Dewayne is looking like a major bust too. That’s the pick we got trading back for Keon 🤮 Keon wasn’t a first rounder either Quote
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