Asante Samuel Jr, cleared to play, talking to teams

[BillsFanForever19]

24 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

there has never been a CB at the level of a top 5 all time at the most important (by far) position in football, so your point makes no sense.

 

The guy should be good to go.

 

That is the point. 

 

What team's are willing to deal with in terms of neck injuries to a QB v. a CB, let alone a QB the level of a Peyton Manning - is a VASTLY different, completely incomparable situation.

 

Peyton Manning as a QB (especially behind Denver's line at the time) wasn't going to take many hits from the pocket. He took a total of 37 sacks over 4 years. Asante Samuel has to potentially be delivering hits on a play to play basis. 

 

And Asante Samuel Jr. wasn't considered a top 10 CB in the league BEFORE he had Spinal Fusion. He was a guy who was considered a pretty decent cover Corner who was a poor tackler with it even said he outright avoids contact.

 

These things are likely not to get better with a fused spine.

 

21 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

 

I’m good with it. Put Tre on the PS 

 

He hasn't done anything football related in over a year. He had Spinal Fusion surgery in April. So it's likely he hasn't done any sort of physical training in over 6 months. 

 

On top of that, he'd have to learn the Defense and we're in Week 10. There is no scenario where they're signing him to the active roster and pulling Tre in favor of him anytime soon.

 

Best case scenario, he'd be the one on the Practice Squad and maybe in a month to two months he'd be cycled in.

Edited 16 hours ago by BillsFanForever19

[Buffalo716]

Cornerback.. most people would be surprised to find out has the highest rate of head injuries and concussions for any position 

 

You could basically add neck injury to that 

 

The speed of the game at that position.. with everything flying around.. it's a very dangerous position

 

 

[Mr. WEO]

44 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

That is the point. 

 

What team's are willing to deal with in terms of neck injuries to a QB v. a CB, let alone a QB the level of a Peyton Manning - is a VASTLY different, completely incomparable situation.

 

Peyton Manning as a QB (especially behind Denver's line at the time) wasn't going to take many hits from the pocket. He took a total of 37 sacks over 4 years. Asante Samuel has to potentially be delivering hits on a play to play basis. 

 

And Asante Samuel Jr. wasn't considered a top 10 CB in the league BEFORE he had Spinal Fusion. He was a guy who was considered a pretty decent cover Corner who was a poor tackler with it even said he outright avoids contact.

 

These things are likely not to get better with a fused spine.

 

 

He hasn't done anything football related in over a year. He had Spinal Fusion surgery in April. So it's likely he hasn't done any sort of physical training in over 6 months. 

 

On top of that, he'd have to learn the Defense and we're in Week 10. There is no scenario where they're signing him to the active roster and pulling Tre in favor of him anytime soon.

 

Best case scenario, he'd be the one on the Practice Squad and maybe in a month to two months he'd be cycled in.

 

 

 

this is a FO that sighed Tre White after he blew out his ACL and achilles--and has lost 3 steps!! what are you going on about now??

 

 

Samuel would be low risk possible reward.  If he got reinjured, oh well---it's not like you're losing your starting QB.

 

It's also  not like the Bills secondary is filled with All Pros, and I'm being kind....

[BillsFanForever19]

44 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

this is a FO that sighed Tre White after he blew out his ACL and achilles--and has lost 3 steps!! what are you going on about now??

 

 

Samuel would be low risk possible reward.  If he got reinjured, oh well---it's not like you're losing your starting QB.

 

It's also  not like the Bills secondary is filled with All Pros, and I'm being kind....

 

There's a HUGE difference between a guy who tore his ACL and Achilles years ago, played all last season, was here practicing the entire off-season - OTA's, Training Camp, and Pre-Season, and knew the Defensive playbook vs. a guy who hasn't done ANYTHING Football related in over a year, is coming off Spinal Fusion in April, likely hasn't done anything remotely physical in 6+ months, and has to learn the Defense 10 weeks into the season.

 

What am I on about? These are facts. Important ones that you're discounting or dismissing. Again, you're comparing incomparable situations bc you want a new toy. Ignoring the fact that the toy is held together by tape and would require at least a month, likely more, of getting it ready before you could play with it.

 

Look, if the Bills thought it was worth it - I wouldn't be against it. But I would be very surprised if anyone gave him a shot in the condition he's in right now and where we are in the season.

Edited 15 hours ago by BillsFanForever19

[gobills404]

If Benford doesn’t get out of this slump he’s in Asante might be an upgrade to the starting lineup opposite of Hairston. I know it’s never gonna happen but still.

[boyst]

11 hours ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

Just had lumbar spine surgery without fusion.  3 weeks in. just started to walk without assistance.  It's a big deal.  Hoping to play non contact sports again.  Contact sports- no way.   I find it hard to believe Samuel is willing to take the risk of NFL hits.  Yes, he a super athlete but he's still missing part of his spinal column.

 

edit.  He had C spine surgery.  not lumbar.  perhaps that's less risky.  

The c spine is still the spine, just cervical vs lumbar (or thoracic). It bears less weight, sure. It's just as important. The nerve roots are just as important and based simply off of knowledge/memory control some important things - lungs for example to keep you breathing (diaphragm). It also is the pathway which most of the arm nerves use when down into the neck at the intersection of C8/T1. Other than that they control the face muscles.

 

It's a fairly big deal just as the lumbar of the back. A decompression and fusion, however, once fully healed will generally be fine going forward.

 

The neck is troublesome and scary but it's more routine and safer than lumbar procedures. They also enter through the front of the patient supinated vs prone which is interesting.

 

Regardless, if fully healed the damage is already done and recovered with fusion he should be ok.

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

There's a HUGE difference between a guy who tore his ACL and Achilles years ago, played all last season, was here practicing the entire off-season - OTA's, Training Camp, and Pre-Season, and knew the Defensive playbook vs. a guy who hasn't done ANYTHING Football related in over a year, is coming off Spinal Fusion in April, likely hasn't done anything remotely physical in 6+ months, and has to learn the Defense 10 weeks into the season.

 

What am I on about? These are facts. Important ones that you're discounting or dismissing. Again, you're comparing incomparable situations bc you want a new toy. Ignoring the fact that the toy is held together by tape and would require at least a month, likely more, of getting it ready before you could play with it.

 

Look, if the Bills thought it was worth it - I wouldn't be against it. But I would be very surprised if anyone gave him a shot in the condition he's in right now and where we are in the season.

 

you're still hung up on the spinal surgery ("held together by tape").  you're intentionally mischaracterizing the procedure in order to make a silly point.

 

I don't care if they sign him or not--I'm just pointing out that your ignorance regarding his procedure renders your opinion doomed by logic. 

 

 

[BillsFanForever19]

50 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

you're still hung up on the spinal surgery ("held together by tape").  you're intentionally mischaracterizing the procedure in order to make a silly point.

 

I don't care if they sign him or not--I'm just pointing out that your ignorance regarding his procedure renders your opinion doomed by logic. 

 

How am I mischaracterizing it? It's Spinal Fusion surgery on a player that delivers hits on a regular basis. These are facts.

 

If there's any mischaracterization here, it's you acting like that's meaningless. Neck injuries with a DB is a serious, serious thing. Just in recent memory with our team alone, Hyde tried to come back from it but couldn't. We've got a Rookie who looked promising that is now possibly retiring over it. Are you old enough to remember Aaron Williams? Spinal injuries are the kiss of death for a DB.

 

The idea that a DB coming off spinal fusion means nothing is ridiculous. Especially where he is in that process and where we are in the season. Don't like the "held together by tape" line? Fine. I'll say it with less hyperbole: "a spine held together by screws on a player that has to hit people on a play to play basis". 

 

You can dismiss it and discount it all you want. It's a hugely important thing. One that is likely going to field someone who isn't the same player. And even if the Bills felt he was worth the risk in the condition he's in, the timing compounds it. This isn't a player that's going to go straight to the field. And the Bills (9.9 times out of 10) aren't the type of team to take guys on this late in the season with no familiarity with the Defense.

Edited 13 hours ago by BillsFanForever19