Brandon Beane - failing Josh Allen

[UKBillFan]

For all the finger pointing at Beane, he doesn't draft in a silo. McDermott surely has a big say on who he wants too, particularly on defense and where he wants to focus picks when it comes to the roster? Plus wasn't Josh the one who asked for Coleman?

[Dr.Sack]

Beane 0 WRs rd 1. That is an epic failure. 

[Simon]

1 hour ago, mjt328 said:

 

So how do you judge a General Manager, if not for the success of the players he brings in and the construction of the roster?

 

How many failed players does Beane need to bring in (let's say at the WR position), before you start to question whether the guy actually has any clue what he's doing? 

• His draft selections at the position (in order) include Ray-Ray McCloud, Austin Proehl, Gabe Davis, Isaiah Hodgins, Marquez Stevenson, Khalil Shakir, Justin Shorter, Keon Coleman and Kaden Prather.  In other words, he hasn't picked a SINGLE STARTING CALIBER outside WR in his eight years of running the team.  I like Shakir, but he's a slot who doesn't seem to be good for more than catching screens and getting YAC.

• His first year with tons of cap space, Beane landed Cole Beasley (another good slot receiver) and John Brown (solid #2 and deep threat for 1 season before completely falling off).  Since that point, he's wasted money on names like Emmanuel Sanders, Jamison Crowder, Deonte Hardy, Trent Sherfield, Mack Hollins, Curtis Samuel and Josh Palmer.  Again, almost zero help on the outside.

• In trades, he watched Kelvin Benjamin up-close for years, and decided he was the trade target for his rookie QB.  That worked out great.  Beane's best decision ever at the WR position was then trading a 1st Round Pick for Stefon Diggs.  And even then, we got to watch the Vikings use that same pick on Justin Jefferson, and then have Diggs force his way off the team 4 years later.

 

So in 8 years, Beane's only success at finding an outside WR for his future Hall of Fame Quarterback was to trade a 1st Round Pick for a disgruntled veteran with a history of throwing teammates under the bus.  Which of course he eventually did here too.  He got one good season from Smoke Brown.  One solid season from Sanders.  Nobody else he's brought in is better than a #3-4 WR in the NFL.  

 

I can do this at almost any position on the roster.  How many infinite resources will it take to finally assemble a strong D-Line?  And how was Beane doing at building that O-Line before Aaron Kromer single-handedly fixed everything.  How has that secondary been since the players Beane inherited (Tre White, Jordan Poyer, Micah Hyde) aged out?  

 

 

My response was not to the OP, it was to a thread that has now been merged into this one.

1 hour ago, Pete said:

So is this a reactionary thread that we need WRs that can separate quickly?  I thought I have read 1, or 100s of Posts that Josh needs better WRs

 

That was response was to a different thread that has now been merged into this one.

[starrymessenger]

33 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

For all the finger pointing at Beane, he doesn't draft in a silo. McDermott surely has a big say on who he wants too, particularly on defense and where he wants to focus picks when it comes to the roster? Plus wasn't Josh the one who asked for Coleman?

Not just that. McD doesn't just evaluate the prospects but I suspect he prioritizes the D over the O. In Josh he trusts. If it wasn't for Allen he'd be out of a job. 

[mjt328]

2 hours ago, fitzMASTERchief said:

Well if the metric is did BBB draft a hall of famer? That would be Josh.

 

Good picks were: James Cook, Taron Johnson, Wyatt Teller, Shakir, Edmunds, Benford, Oliver...Maybe Walker

 

Notice that most of the positions Beane actually hits on are "non-premium" positions.

 

It's a lot easier to draft a Running Back or Guard than a #1 Outside Receiver or Left Tackle. 

It's a lot easier to draft a Linebacker or Nickel Cornerback than an Edge Rusher or Shut-Down Outside Cornerback.

 

Beane was gifted a LT (Dawkins) and All-Pros on the back-end (Milano, White, Poyer, Hyde)... all by the previous GM.

He lucked into Allen with his #1 Pick, traded for Diggs... and pretty much hasn't done anything worthwhile since.

Benford and Bernard are proving to be one-year wonders.

 

Can't hit on Edge Rusher.  Can't hit on Outside WR.  Can't hit on CB.  

Now that his team is aging out, he can't hit on Safety or LB either.