Tired of "everyone eats".

[Kirby Jackson]

16 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said:

Numbers are the numbers, thats fine.  But it wasn't Coop all himself- in fact little to do with him IMO.

 

Just like we didnt put up record numbers on offense, because of Coop.  Low turnovers on offense, defense forcing turnovers--- all led to higher scoring.  Point is, stats are a real reflection of results, but what was the catalyst?  Thats where eye test says "not cooper".  Playing fundamentally sound/very efficient offense, behind an MVP performance from Josh --- that's the reason.   If we traded for the second coming of Kelvin Benjamin, we still get similar output. 

Again, with the “yeah but.” 🤣🤣

 

The numbers that I posted are Cooper with the Bills 2024 vs. Cooperless Bills games in 2024. You can attribute it to whatever you want (for the 2nd time). The FACT (not up for debate) is that the Bills threw for significantly more yards and scored significantly more points in the games that he was in the lineup. That’s not up for discussion or debate. It just IS.

[MasterStrategist]

Just now, Kirby Jackson said:

Again, with the “yeah but.” 🤣🤣

 

The numbers that I posted are Cooper with the Bills 2024 vs. Cooperless Bills games in 2024. You can attribute it to whatever you want (for the 2nd time). The FACT (not up for debate) is that the Bills threw for significantly more yards and scored significantly more points in the games that he was in the lineup. That’s not up for discussion or debate. It just IS.

What snaps did he play?  Was he in the game for how many passing yards/points scored?

 

Legit questions - if you want to attribute success to him being on the roster.  

 

We also had Alec Anderson taking significant snaps last year ---- maybe it was him playing as 6th OL?  

 

Kidding aside, this isnt a "yeah but".  Its how much do you attribute success to Cooper?  

 

You do realize teams improve throughout the year, players improve --- lots of reasons to say our offense got better in those final 8 games, just because a player was added who played less than 50% of snaps and had marginal success, we cant say "oh yeah, Cooper is the only the difference between those last 8 games".  You're smarter than that

[Low Positive]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

 

Philly goes into this weird funk every year, it's unexplainable. I guess the difference there is that I know the skill position talent is a lot better than the production they've gotten out of it, so I have more faith that they can turn it around as they did last year in the playoffs. I don't think the Bills have the personnel to suddenly become a dominant offense that can steamroll opponents.

The Bills killed a lot of teams last year with pretty much the same dudes. And in fact, Philly didn’t steamroll everyone. The only teams they destroyed in the regular season were the Bengals, Cowboys, and Giants. They really didn’t start rolling until the NFC Championship Game. Heck of a time to find your A game. 

[Kirby Jackson]

16 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said:

What snaps did he play?  Was he in the game for how many passing yards/points scored?

 

Legit questions - if you want to attribute success to him being on the roster.  

 

We also had Alec Anderson taking significant snaps last year ---- maybe it was him playing as 6th OL?  

 

Kidding aside, this isnt a "yeah but".  Its how much do you attribute success to Cooper?  

 

You do realize teams improve throughout the year, players improve --- lots of reasons to say our offense got better in those final 8 games, just because a player was added who played less than 50% of snaps and had marginal success, we cant say "oh yeah, Cooper is the only the difference between those last 8 games".  You're smarter than that

Again, who said “Cooper is the only difference?” I certainly didn’t say that.
 

Intuitively, I feel like Alec Anderson played some valuable snaps. However, I have never looked at the data to confirm or deny if that was the truth or just what I “feel.” I don’t put much stock into perception when there’s data that is fact. 
 

The games Cooper played weren’t all consecutive. The numbers that I provided were from the games he played not the last 8. Those aren’t interchangeable. If you choose to pretend that his presence didn’t have ANY impact (which is what it seems like you’re doing) please supply some data to support that. We have established that they threw way more and scored way more with him. If you’re saying that he wasn’t a factor, please share some data that made them better when he wasn’t dressed. I’ll be open minded but not going to buy into “that’s how I feel.” I’d like to see some data supporting that. 

[NoSaint]

4 hours ago, gobills404 said:

The run game got stifled, we turned the ball over 3 times, but “everybody eats” is the issue? I don’t get it.

we have the best car at the track

 

maybe the best driver in the history of racing 

 

and our lack of a WR1 is a resistor plate ensuring that we can’t pull away from the pack

there is a chance that Keon Coleman becoming a number 1 or not during this rookie contract will be the difference between multiple rings vs never reaching the big gene 

7 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Again, who said “Cooper is the only difference?” I certainly didn’t say that.
 

Intuitively, I feel like Alec Anderson played some valuable snaps. However, I have never looked at the data to confirm or deny if that was the truth or just what I “feel.” I don’t put much stock into perception when there’s data that is fact. 
 

The games Cooper played weren’t all consecutive. The numbers that I provided were from the games he played not the last 8. Those aren’t interchangeable. If you choose to pretend that his presence didn’t have ANY impact (which is what it seems like you’re doing) please supply some data to support that. We have established that they threw way more and scored way more with him. If you’re saying that he wasn’t a factor, please share some data that made them better when he wasn’t dressed. I’ll be open minded but not going to buy into “that’s how I feel.” I’d like to see some data supporting that. 

If nothing else, I think opposing teams had to respect his nameplate and any given week could click

 

 also think it sent a message to the team about expectations 

Edited 1 hour ago by NoSaint

[Kirby Jackson]

6 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

 

If nothing else, I think opposing teams had to respect his nameplate and any given week could click

 

 also think it sent a message to the team about expectations 

For sure!  They kept safeties over the top. They spent time preparing for him, etc.. I’m by no means saying he was a dynamic player here. All that was said is that the passing game and scoring was much better with him than without? Why? Who knows but his presence almost certainly played a role. 

[gobills404]

9 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

we have the best car at the track

 

maybe the best driver in the history of racing 

 

and our lack of a WR1 is a resistor plate ensuring that we can’t pull away from the pack

there is a chance that Keon Coleman becoming a number 1 or not during this rookie contract will be the difference between multiple rings vs never reaching the big gene 

Maybe, but personally the thought “if only our passing game had been better” never crossed my mind after losing the AFCCG last year.

[NoSaint]

1 minute ago, gobills404 said:

Maybe, but personally the thought “if only our passing game had been better” never crossed my mind after losing the AFCCG last year.

Ignoring whether or not you thought of it

 

what do you think would happen if Keon Coleman suddenly played like a top ten WR that could punish teams deep?

 

no worthy is too small or legette or DK debate… simply Keon steps in and plays like an elite wr. 
 

does our run game improve?

does our defense look better with a lead?

Edited 1 hour ago by NoSaint