ALLinALLEN Posted September 12 Posted September 12 5 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: The part where I am confused is I don’t know of a resistance type rhetoric that MAGA has. But Democrats also are against illegals and have removed millions before. So in this specific example, it could be either side. For instance, my mom is a Legal Immigrant and democrat and hates illegals because she did it right and they skipped the line. But yes if bullet casing specifically have MAGA engraved on them, you absolutely can label. Abortion, trans people, gay people....there are certainly MAGA issues that have even lead to shootings. If I change my example to trans people...someone writes"down with trans" on bullets, same point stands. But yes, if said person is in MAGA chat rooms, MAGA rallies, photo with hats on...then yeah can label. Same here - if this kid is in Antifa chat rooms, at meetups, has branding..then yes, label it. I'm not lumping them into a basket yet - just calling them a deranged mentally ill person for now.
AlBUNDY4TDS Posted September 12 Posted September 12 1 minute ago, Logic said: The Groypers themselves are claiming this guy as their own on 4chan. There are pictures of him going as a Groyper meme for Halloween. Every available piece of evidence paints this guy as a terminally online, far right Groyper War guy. The "he was a leftist!" narrative was fun for a minute, but it doesn't hold water. Guess I was wrong. Apologies.
JaCrispy Posted September 12 Posted September 12 Whether right wing or not, he deserves the death penalty
Royale with Cheese Posted September 12 Posted September 12 Just now, Logic said: The Groypers themselves are claiming this guy as their own on 4chan. There are pictures of him going as a Groyper meme for Halloween. Every available piece of evidence paints this guy as a terminally online, far right Groyper War guy. The "he was a leftist!" narrative was fun for a minute, but it doesn't hold water. Yes it does hold water. An anti-fascist view is a strong rhetoric on the radical left. Just because its a hybrid doesn’t mean its not a left narrative. 1 minute ago, ALLinALLEN said: Abortion, trans people, gay people....there are certainly MAGA issues that have even lead to shootings. If I change my example to trans people...someone writes"down with trans" on bullets, same point stands. But yes, if said person is in MAGA chat rooms, MAGA rallies, photo with hats on...then yeah can label. Same here - if this kid is in Antifa chat rooms, at meetups, has branding..then yes, label it. I'm not lumping them into a basket yet - just calling them a deranged mentally ill person for now. Well there has been what? 6 transgender mass shootings recently? So would the narrative be MAGA is more dangerous to transgender people or transgender people are more dangerous to MAGA? 1
boyst Posted September 12 Posted September 12 10 minutes ago, Logic said: I know the media and local law enforcement bodies are not well equipped to understand this type of nuance, but....Robinson sure looks more like a Groyper than a leftist. I highly recommend reading through both of these threads (of note, slide 9 in the first thread states a factual inaccuracy, but it doesn't invalidate the rest of it). The second thread (about Groypers) is quite informative, for those who don't know what they're all about. Realistically, I know most of you won't read either of them because your opinions are already formed, but...just thought I'd offer something to counter the frothy-mouthed, leftist blaming ragegasm happening in here right now. So this goes against what sources close to his family, people who know him talk about. That Kirk and Republicans are dangerous. This person misquotes Kirk with racist statements out of context. The words like fascist etc. Were written on the casings, as well. Further, having seen the trolling and the groypers nonsense from 4chan via /pol and /b I know enough to know it's edgelord baiting. There also aren't calls for violence. Linking them to violence has never, as far as I know been the case. Further, direct knowledge from the whole thing I recently found out that, yes, the casings are valid and there messages of hate on them directed at conservatives. It was a blanket statement not supporting trans or anything just that it was anti conservative. If you read this you are gay is a mocking of all things. This guy, at this point, is reaching. Some of this may come out but this goes against most every left and right report.
Cugalabanza Posted September 12 Posted September 12 1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said: An anti-fascist view is a strong rhetoric on the radical left. Just sitting with this for a sec 2
Logic Posted September 12 Posted September 12 Just now, Royale with Cheese said: Yes it does hold water. An anti-fascist view is a strong rhetoric on the radical left. Just because its a hybrid doesn’t mean its not a left narrative. If you've truly taken the time to understand what the Groyper War movement is, and if you accept what seems to be mounting evidence that Robinson was a Groyper... ..and if after that you're STILL calling him a leftist, well then...I'm sorry, but I think you ought to re-read the Groyper stuff and make a better effort to understand what it is and what it means. I grant that it's nuanced stuff, and there are layers to it, and it doesn't fit a lot of our traditional narratives of what "right" and "left" even mean, and that a lot of us (myself included) are still learning what it all means, but... Robinson does not appear to be a leftist. He appears to be an adherent of a fringe, extremist movement born in the underbelly of the far right. 1
joshypoo Posted September 12 Posted September 12 16 minutes ago, Logic said: It is. stop providing context, you’re hurting their feelings. Thank you sir!
boyst Posted September 12 Posted September 12 5 minutes ago, Logic said: The Groypers themselves are claiming this guy as their own on 4chan. There are pictures of him going as a Groyper meme for Halloween. Every available piece of evidence paints this guy as a terminally online, far right Groyper War guy. The "he was a leftist!" narrative was fun for a minute, but it doesn't hold water. I'm probably the most 4chan experienced dude here going back to well before boxxxy, pumba, and more... This guy being a part of 4chan currently is hilarious because it's all anti Semitic incel cucks (literally) larping vs 35-45 yr old dudes wasting time on a site they visited 15-20 years ago. The guy way anti republican/anti conservative/anti American. Put it however you want. 1
Lost Posted September 12 Posted September 12 6 minutes ago, Logic said: The Groypers themselves are claiming this guy as their own on 4chan. There are pictures of him going as a Groyper meme for Halloween. Every available piece of evidence paints this guy as a terminally online, far right Groyper War guy. The "he was a leftist!" narrative was fun for a minute, but it doesn't hold water. Phew...thank god he was just a Groyper Now the normies can get back to calling DJT and JDV to be next.... 1
ALLinALLEN Posted September 12 Posted September 12 4 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Yes it does hold water. An anti-fascist view is a strong rhetoric on the radical left. Just because its a hybrid doesn’t mean its not a left narrative. Well there has been what? 6 transgender mass shootings recently? So would the narrative be MAGA is more dangerous to transgender people or transgender people are more dangerous to MAGA? You're changing topics now? I'm saying I wouldn't label them as Antifa unless they are active in those communities, or write some sort of manifesto claiming that. Sheesh.
boyst Posted September 12 Posted September 12 15 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said: Ignoring someone is fascism? 😂 You're in Roundy/Billstime territory here. They once argued the same. Not reading someone's posts isn't the same as working towards not allowing them to post at all. I encourage everyone, especially leftists, to post freely. Again, I don't know you, I don't know Jauronimo, I don't know anyone who posts here. Therefore all I'm left with to know about anyone is what they post here. With Juaronimo I'm left to conclude that he's a moron, a verbose moron, but a moron nonetheless. I put morons on ignore, and outside of a handful of posters like Quack and Finding it comes with no announcement. You know people here personally so YMMV. Ok, you walked into it, sweet pea. A guy you ignore you call out every time you can. You don't read his posts and never met him, or me. I've met him. He's met me. If you met either of us you'd relax a whole, whole bunch. We are people just like you. So, settle your ass down. It's concerning that someone you've never met, don't read the posts of (supposedly) has triggered you for 4 years. If I'm jaur I get a TRO because you are a weirdo. 14 minutes ago, muppy said: You lying idiot. You said you left? Can't control yourself, huh? Sad. Get some integrity. 5 minutes ago, Cugalabanza said: Just sitting with this for a sec This is the left side.... This is the right side Fascist is not on this side ... Fascist is in this side. Glad I could help. 1
Big Blitz Posted September 12 Posted September 12 6 minutes ago, Logic said: If you've truly taken the time to understand what the Groyper War movement is, and if you accept what seems to be mounting evidence that Robinson was a Groyper... ..and if after that you're STILL calling him a leftist, well then...I'm sorry, but I think you ought to re-read the Groyper stuff and make a better effort to understand what it is and what it means. I grant that it's nuanced stuff, and there are layers to it, and it doesn't fit a lot of our traditional narratives of what "right" and "left" even mean, and that a lot of us (myself included) are still learning what it all means, but... Robinson does not appear to be a leftist. He appears to be an adherent of a fringe, extremist movement born in the underbelly of the far right. 1
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted September 12 Posted September 12 (edited) Crazy is as crazy do. It’s virtually always this way. Right wing…left wing…irrelevant to me in the grand scheme of things. Most non-crazy people don’t shoot other human beings in the neck from a secreted location, or shoot people out shopping at a TOPS, or climb on a roof and take a pot shot at a guy running for President. Mental illness is the fashionable term, &$&@ing lunatics is appropriate. The rhetoric from leaders is certainly problematic at times, and to be clear, I’m talking about most leaders of the modern era, but somehow, someway an estimated 258,460,000+\- adults managed not to climb a building and take a shot at a guy talking to a group of kids on a college campus and 1 found a way to reveal his madness in a massive way. When I was a kid, I was climbing over some snow banks and made it to the snow fence separating the public from the general public. I stepped on the fence, the wood slats broke under my 75ish pound frame, and I dropped almost straight down onto the gigantic splinters that were left. The snow gear helped, but fortunately the spikes did not break the skin on my leg, nor anywhere else in the very important area immediate area south of the belly button or north of the mid thigh. There are other stories like that, near misses, decisions to avoid a place and time, and we all have them. Sometimes you have to get lucky in life (Trump moving at the last second before being struck), and poor Charlie Kirk was not so fortunate. Edited September 12 by leh-nerd skin-erd
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted September 12 Posted September 12 Crazy is as crazy do. It’s virtually always this way. Right wing…left wing…irrelevant to me in the grand scheme of things. Most non-crazy people don’t shoot other human beings in the neck from a secreted location, or shoot people out shopping at a TOPS, or climb on a roof and take a pot shot at a guy running for President. Mental illness is the fashionable term, &$&@ing lunatics is appropriate. The rhetoric from leaders is certainly problematic at times, and to be clear, I’m talking about most leaders of the modern era, but somehow, someway an estimated 258,460,000+\- adults managed not to climb a building and take a shot at a guy talking to a group of kids on a college campus and 1 found a way to reveal his madness in a massive way. When I was a kid, I was climbing over some snow banks and made it to the snow fence separating the public from the general public. I stepped on the fence, the wood slats broke under my 75ish pound frame, and I dropped almost straight down onto the gigantic splinters that were left. The snow gear helped, but fortunately the spikes did not break the skin on my leg, nor anywhere else in the very important area immediate area south of the belly button or north of the mid thigh. There are other stories like that, near misses, decisions to avoid a place and time, and we all have them. Sometimes you have to get lucky in life (Trump moving at the last second before being struck), and poor Charlie Kirk was not so fortunate. 1
boyst Posted September 12 Posted September 12 4 minutes ago, ALLinALLEN said: You're changing topics now? I'm saying I wouldn't label them as Antifa unless they are active in those communities, or write some sort of manifesto claiming that. Sheesh. Not that I debate or engage trolls (you)... We have been told antifa is not a collective, an organization, or community. It is a random set of individuals who share a common belief. At least that's what your leader @Roundyboutsaid,more or less
Logic Posted September 12 Posted September 12 4 minutes ago, boyst said: I'm probably the most 4chan experienced dude here going back to well before boxxxy, pumba, and more... This guy being a part of 4chan currently is hilarious because it's all anti Semitic incel cucks (literally) larping vs 35-45 yr old dudes wasting time on a site they visited 15-20 years ago. The guy way anti republican/anti conservative/anti American. Put it however you want. Well, that's what I mean about nuance and about things not fitting into our traditional "left vs right" narrative. As I understand it, lots of Groyper talk IS anti modern conservativism and anti-republicanism....but only because they seem to feel that those ideologies aren't far right ENOUGH. Aren't extreme ENOUGH. So while he may have been anti-republican, it also appears that he was a far right extremist.
Logic Posted September 12 Posted September 12 1 minute ago, Big Blitz said: Thanks. Yeah, I pointed that out in my original posting. That that was a factual inaccuracy. I don't think it invalidates the rest of Cochran's thread, and I think the 18 tweet thread about Groypers that I posted adds further context. Nevertheless, Robinson at this moment appears more likely to be a far right extremist than a leftist of any stripe. Regardless, he appears to have been mentally unwell and steeped in hateful online culture and rhetoric.
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