The Woke Right

[The Frankish Reich]

The battle is over. Wokethink won. The right is now beating the left at its own game.

 

In waging its war against the universities, the administration is using civil-rights law on behalf of Jewish students, arguing that chants can make Jewish students feel unsafe, and that pro-Palestinian op-eds about Gaza in campus newspapers do so much harm to American foreign policy that their authors must be deported. The American right protested at the woke left when it sought to censor ideas by equating words with violence and prescribed swift punishment for wrongthink. Now, not so much.

 

https://www.economist.com/united-states/2025/06/10/does-america-now-have-a-woke-right

 

We now get to worry about hurting the feelings of straight white males. 

 

Even the right's favorite masseur-provacateur is having fun with the newest form of closed-mindedness:

 

The most prominent accuser has been James Lindsay, an intellectual gadfly first of the left and lately of the right. He first came to prominence for the “grievance studies affair”, in which he and two co-authors submitted parody articles of leftist drivel, some of which successfully passed peer review. He recently conducted a similar prank by getting the thinly disguised introduction to Karl Marx’s “Communist Manifesto” published in a minor Christian publication (by substituting the words “Christian right” for “communism” and “liberalism” for “bourgeoisie”).

 

Congratulations, Trumpies! You won the battle and lost the war.

[AlBUNDY4TDS]

5 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

The battle is over. Wokethink won. The right is now beating the left at its own game.

 

In waging its war against the universities, the administration is using civil-rights law on behalf of Jewish students, arguing that chants can make Jewish students feel unsafe, and that pro-Palestinian op-eds about Gaza in campus newspapers do so much harm to American foreign policy that their authors must be deported. The American right protested at the woke left when it sought to censor ideas by equating words with violence and prescribed swift punishment for wrongthink. Now, not so much.

 

https://www.economist.com/united-states/2025/06/10/does-america-now-have-a-woke-right

 

We now get to worry about hurting the feelings of straight white males. 

 

Even the right's favorite masseur-provacateur is having fun with the newest form of closed-mindedness:

 

The most prominent accuser has been James Lindsay, an intellectual gadfly first of the left and lately of the right. He first came to prominence for the “grievance studies affair”, in which he and two co-authors submitted parody articles of leftist drivel, some of which successfully passed peer review. He recently conducted a similar prank by getting the thinly disguised introduction to Karl Marx’s “Communist Manifesto” published in a minor Christian publication (by substituting the words “Christian right” for “communism” and “liberalism” for “bourgeoisie”).

 

Congratulations, Trumpies! You won the battle and lost the war.

It's more than words, but you already know that!

[The Frankish Reich]

9 minutes ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said:

It's more than words, but you already know that!

No. It is literally words that put some of these guys in deportation proceedings. Hurtful words. 

[Orlando Buffalo]

19 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

The battle is over. Wokethink won. The right is now beating the left at its own game.

 

In waging its war against the universities, the administration is using civil-rights law on behalf of Jewish students, arguing that chants can make Jewish students feel unsafe, and that pro-Palestinian op-eds about Gaza in campus newspapers do so much harm to American foreign policy that their authors must be deported. The American right protested at the woke left when it sought to censor ideas by equating words with violence and prescribed swift punishment for wrongthink. Now, not so much.

 

https://www.economist.com/united-states/2025/06/10/does-america-now-have-a-woke-right

 

We now get to worry about hurting the feelings of straight white males. 

 

Even the right's favorite masseur-provacateur is having fun with the newest form of closed-mindedness:

 

The most prominent accuser has been James Lindsay, an intellectual gadfly first of the left and lately of the right. He first came to prominence for the “grievance studies affair”, in which he and two co-authors submitted parody articles of leftist drivel, some of which successfully passed peer review. He recently conducted a similar prank by getting the thinly disguised introduction to Karl Marx’s “Communist Manifesto” published in a minor Christian publication (by substituting the words “Christian right” for “communism” and “liberalism” for “bourgeoisie”).

 

Congratulations, Trumpies! You won the battle and lost the war.

you picked a liberal to show how Conservatives are having an issue? Frankish this is very weak. Also to pretend the Columbia University situation was simply chanting is being disingenuous. People were prevented from going to class because of "takeovers" and Jews were told they should be killed. If you are openly threatening someones life that is not a peaceful protest anymore.

[The Frankish Reich]

6 minutes ago, Orlando Buffalo said:

you picked a liberal to show how Conservatives are having an issue? Frankish this is very weak. Also to pretend the Columbia University situation was simply chanting is being disingenuous. People were prevented from going to class because of "takeovers" and Jews were told they should be killed. If you are openly threatening someones life that is not a peaceful protest anymore.

I'm pointing out that a method of analysis - that some types of speech are akin to actual violence - is now so ingrained that it is being used by the right as well as the left.

The appropriate response to stultifying left orthodoxy in higher education is not to try to try to impose stultifying right orthodoxy. But that's what's happening, because this is all about settling scores and not about intellectual freedom.

[Orlando Buffalo]

11 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

I'm pointing out that a method of analysis - that some types of speech are akin to actual violence - is now so ingrained that it is being used by the right as well as the left.

The appropriate response to stultifying left orthodoxy in higher education is not to try to try to impose stultifying right orthodoxy. But that's what's happening, because this is all about settling scores and not about intellectual freedom.

Threatening someones life is not protected speech. Calling someone names, insulting their intelligence, and their group identity is protected. The fact that you are trying to act like there is not an obvious difference is sad to me. 

[AlBUNDY4TDS]

16 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

I'm pointing out that a method of analysis - that some types of speech are akin to actual violence - is now so ingrained that it is being used by the right as well as the left.

The appropriate response to stultifying left orthodoxy in higher education is not to try to try to impose stultifying right orthodoxy. But that's what's happening, because this is all about settling scores and not about intellectual freedom.

Talk about reaching my god.

[T master]

55 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

The battle is over. Wokethink won. The right is now beating the left at its own game.

 

In waging its war against the universities, the administration is using civil-rights law on behalf of Jewish students, arguing that chants can make Jewish students feel unsafe, and that pro-Palestinian op-eds about Gaza in campus newspapers do so much harm to American foreign policy that their authors must be deported. The American right protested at the woke left when it sought to censor ideas by equating words with violence and prescribed swift punishment for wrongthink. Now, not so much.

 

https://www.economist.com/united-states/2025/06/10/does-america-now-have-a-woke-right

 

We now get to worry about hurting the feelings of straight white males. 

 

Even the right's favorite masseur-provacateur is having fun with the newest form of closed-mindedness:

 

The most prominent accuser has been James Lindsay, an intellectual gadfly first of the left and lately of the right. He first came to prominence for the “grievance studies affair”, in which he and two co-authors submitted parody articles of leftist drivel, some of which successfully passed peer review. He recently conducted a similar prank by getting the thinly disguised introduction to Karl Marx’s “Communist Manifesto” published in a minor Christian publication (by substituting the words “Christian right” for “communism” and “liberalism” for “bourgeoisie”).

 

Congratulations, Trumpies! You won the battle and lost the war.

The woke people have been doing this for years !! When anyone says that a bible verse is hate speech from the one that died for all of our sins because he loved those on earth that says all we need to know and those people will & have twisted anything they can to fit their narrative .

 

Any one that comes to this country as a guest to take advantage of what America has to offer and turns around and belittles America IMHO can take their happy ass home and stay there I don't want or need any of them !! 

 

If they want to come here legally, assimilate and be proud to become a American and intertwine their heritage then that's one thing but for all of those that come here hang their personal home countries flag above the American flag, don't learn English which is the first language of this country, and in some instances will burn the American flag or disrespect anyone in the military or a police officer or respect the laws put in place to keep us safe then they can go back where they came from and stay there !!! 

 

Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out because we don't need the drama !!!! ADIOS MF !!! 

[JDHillFan]

23 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

I'm pointing out that a method of analysis - that some types of speech are akin to actual violence - is now so ingrained that it is being used by the right as well as the left.

The appropriate response to stultifying left orthodoxy in higher education is not to try to try to impose stultifying right orthodoxy. But that's what's happening, because this is all about settling scores and not about intellectual freedom.

Do you remember when you misrepresented the congressional hearings where the question put forth was “Does calling for the genocide of Jews violate (insert university name here) rules or code of conduct? Yes or no?” You tried to pretend it was about free speech when it was about harassment of Jews and then came up with some weird hypothetical about white guys in Buffalo. That was a good thread. Hopefully this one is as much fun. 

[nedboy7]

Jews will not replace us!  

[Roundybout]

2 hours ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said:

It's more than words, but you already know that!

Great song! 
 

 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

2 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said:

The battle is over. Wokethink won. The right is now beating the left at its own game.

 

In waging its war against the universities, the administration is using civil-rights law on behalf of Jewish students, arguing that chants can make Jewish students feel unsafe, and that pro-Palestinian op-eds about Gaza in campus newspapers do so much harm to American foreign policy that their authors must be deported. The American right protested at the woke left when it sought to censor ideas by equating words with violence and prescribed swift punishment for wrongthink. Now, not so much.

 

https://www.economist.com/united-states/2025/06/10/does-america-now-have-a-woke-right

 

We now get to worry about hurting the feelings of straight white males. 

 

Even the right's favorite masseur-provacateur is having fun with the newest form of closed-mindedness:

 

The most prominent accuser has been James Lindsay, an intellectual gadfly first of the left and lately of the right. He first came to prominence for the “grievance studies affair”, in which he and two co-authors submitted parody articles of leftist drivel, some of which successfully passed peer review. He recently conducted a similar prank by getting the thinly disguised introduction to Karl Marx’s “Communist Manifesto” published in a minor Christian publication (by substituting the words “Christian right” for “communism” and “liberalism” for “bourgeoisie”).

 

Congratulations, Trumpies! You won the battle and lost the war.

Well aren’t you a happy camper and spreader of joy today.  
 

[The Frankish Reich]

2 hours ago, JDHillFan said:

Do you remember when you misrepresented the congressional hearings where the question put forth was “Does calling for the genocide of Jews violate (insert university name here) rules or code of conduct? Yes or no?” You tried to pretend it was about free speech when it was about harassment of Jews and then came up with some weird hypothetical about white guys in Buffalo. That was a good thread. Hopefully this one is as much fun. 

Umm, the only "misrepresentation" came from you.

Chanting things like "from the river to the sea" is definitely not a threat to Jewish students at Harvard or Columbia any more than chanting "trans women are men" is a death threat to trans students.

[JDHillFan]

3 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Umm, the only "misrepresentation" came from you.

Chanting things like "from the river to the sea" is definitely not a threat to Jewish students at Harvard or Columbia any more than chanting "trans women are men" is a death threat to trans students.

A simple cutting and pasting of your posts from the thread you started defending the presidents of the universities in question would certainly show otherwise. Shall I?

[The Frankish Reich]

Perhaps you'd like to read Elise Stefanik's proudest moment, as reproduced on her own website.

 

https://stefanik.house.gov/2023/12/icymi-during-questions-from-stefanik-presidents-of-harvard-upenn-mit-refuse-to-condemn-calls-for-genocide-of-jews#:~:text=bullying and harassment%3F-,Yes or no%3F,violates Harvard Code of Conduct.

 

Note the misleading headline she gives it: the university presidents "refuse to condemn calls for genocide." They did nothing of the sort. They refused to say that a call for genocide, not directed at an individual, would necessarily violate their universities' codes of conduct. And that is because free speech is, well, free speech. Except of course to the Woke Right and the Woke Left.

 

Here's your heroine expressing the Woke Right sentiment perfectly:

 

"Do you understand your testimony is dehumanizing them? Do you understand that dehumanization is part of antisemitism?"

 

Translation: it made them feel bad. 

 

Wokism. From the right.

[JDHillFan]

19 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Here's your heroine

This is how I know you are dissembling. 

[The Frankish Reich]

24 minutes ago, JDHillFan said:

This is how I know you are dissembling. 

Hmm?

You guys thought Elise Stefanik was the most brilliant examiner ever. That's where this whole nonsense started.

[JDHillFan]

6 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Hmm?

You guys thought Elise Stefanik was the most brilliant examiner ever. That's where this whole nonsense started.

 

On 12/22/2023 at 9:42 PM, The Frankish Reich said:

I took a look back at that famous "gotcha" question and answer. 

You know what? As a pure matter of logic, the Ivy League Presidents answered correctly!

The question was: Would calling for genocide constitute harassment or bullying?

The question was not: Would calling for genocide be offensive speech?

So the logical answer is: "It depends on the context."

- If @Doc some bar somewhere far away drunkenly calls for genocide of the white guys born in Buffalo, and he has no reason to think that I'd hear him, has he bullied or harassed me? Of course not. 

- If he finds out where I live, drives up to my house at night, grabs a megaphone, and keeps shouting "death to the Buffalo white guys" for two hours, has he bullied and/or harassed me? Of course so.

 

That is, it depends on the context. 

Congresswoman Stefanik was given far too much credit here. If she wanted to know whether President Gay thinks calling for the genocide of a people is per se offensive speech, well, that's what she should have asked.

 

On 12/22/2023 at 9:59 PM, JDHillFan said:

It’s a shame this bit of genius wasn’t provided in time to save Liz Magill’s job at Penn. Hard to believe it cost her such a prestigious position even though she tried to walk back her comments. An unnecessary walking back based on this brilliant analysis. 
 

A read of the transcript will show the questions posed repeatedly and at the center of the matter were “specifically calling for the genocide of Jews, does that constitute bullying or harassment?“ and “does calling for the genocide of Jews violate (insert school name here) rules or code of conduct? Yes or no”?  Why did you alter the comment to leave out Jews? You must have a reason for doing so. 

In your lengthy post above you state:

The question was: Would calling for genocide constitute harassment or bullying?

 

This is a clear misrepresentation, as the hearing was centered on antisemitism on college campuses. The actual questions were (as shown in my post):

“specifically calling for the genocide of Jews, does that constitute bullying or harassment?“ and “does calling for the genocide of Jews violate (insert school name here) rules or code of conduct? Yes or no”?
 

You chose to leave out the very heart of the matter. You misrepresented what was said. You had a reason for doing so. 
 

I was wrong about you starting the thread. My apologies there. 

[The Frankish Reich]

3 minutes ago, JDHillFan said:

 

 

In your lengthy post above you state:

The question was: Would calling for genocide constitute harassment or bullying?

 

This is a clear misrepresentation, as the hearing was centered on antisemitism on college campuses. The actual questions were (as shown in my post):

“specifically calling for the genocide of Jews, does that constitute bullying or harassment?“ and “does calling for the genocide of Jews violate (insert school name here) rules or code of conduct? Yes or no”?
 

You chose to leave out the very heart of the matter. You misrepresented what was said. You had a reason for doing so. 
 

I was wrong about you starting the thread. My apologies there. 

Yes, and of course the logic (a fascinating course; maybe Harvard Extension offers it online?) goes like this:

 

- Harvard's code of conduct bans harassment and bullying

- Calling for the elimination or forced movement of a people isn't necessarily harassment or bullying unless it is directed to a specific person

- Hence, calling for genocide doesn't necessarily violate the code.

 

Wow. That was fun. Shall we do it again?

[JDHillFan]

8 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Yes, and of course the logic (a fascinating course; maybe Harvard Extension offers it online?) goes like this:

 

- Harvard's code of conduct bans harassment and bullying

- Calling for the elimination or forced movement of a people isn't necessarily harassment or bullying unless it is directed to a specific person

- Hence, calling for genocide doesn't necessarily violate the code.

 

Wow. That was fun. Shall we do it again?

So long as you believe that’s how it went. Hard to believe at least two of those ladies lost their job over it. It all seems so simple and clear the way you put it.