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Just now, SCBills said:


People aren’t fleeing Atlanta.  It’s expensive in Buckhead and Midtown. 
 

Blue city in a red state seem to do fine.

 

People aren’t fleeing Dallas.

 

People aren’t fleeing Nashville. 
 

People aren’t fleeing Miami. 
 

People aren’t fleeing Charlotte and Raleigh.  
 

Mid-size South Carolina cities like Greenville and Charleston are exploding. 


Yes, mid-size cities are rising because they’re affordable. 
 

Dallas and other Texas cities have done an admirable job in increasing housing supply, so much so that rents in Austin have fallen over the past year. 
 

Even Buffalo experienced a population increase. 

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1 minute ago, Roundybout said:


Yes, mid-size cities are rising because they’re affordable. 
 

Dallas and other Texas cities have done an admirable job in increasing housing supply, so much so that rents in Austin have fallen over the past year. 
 

Even Buffalo experienced a population increase. 


I spend a good bit of time in Greenville, SC.  When I last had an apartment downtown, it was a 2 bedroom/2 bath at 3kish per month. 
 

Sure, it’s not Upper East Side rent, but $36k per year requires you to be making good money.. especially when salaries in the south are typically lower, in relation, to Manhattan. 
 

Affordable is relative.. but there’s this thought amongst northern liberals that souther states are growing so rapidly because we’re paying $1500 per month rent in cities down here.  That’s not happening unless you want a one bedroom in the suburbs. 

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2 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

 

Even Buffalo experienced a population increase. 


 

NYS should be DOGEing.  Northern real estate especially in the NE could be alternatives for folks getting priced out of areas in the South.  
 

I’ve been saying this for months. 
 

If blue states want to get back to relevancy and attract people to move and invest again - it is the only way.  
 

They just can’t do it.  Public sector unions have too much power.  
 

So priced out folks in the south just create new hot beds of growth.   

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Just now, BillsFanNC said:

 


50 trillion in debt by 2030 here we come!

2 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:


 

NYS should be DOGEing.  Northern real estate especially in the NE could be alternatives for folks getting priced out of areas in the South.  
 

I’ve been saying this for months. 
 

If blue states want to get back to relevancy and attract people to move and invest again - it is the only way.  
 

They just can’t do it.  Public sector unions have too much power.  
 

So priced out folks in the south just create new hot beds of growth.   


I mean yeah, which is why California gutting CEQR is a huge deal. 
 

You have to remove restrictions to building to increase supply. 

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15 minutes ago, SCBills said:


People aren’t fleeing Atlanta.  It’s expensive in Buckhead and Midtown. 
 

Blue city in a red state seem to do fine.

 

People aren’t fleeing Dallas.

 

People aren’t fleeing Nashville. 
 

People aren’t fleeing Miami. 
 

People aren’t fleeing Charlotte and Raleigh.  
 

Mid-size South Carolina cities like Greenville and Charleston are exploding.   A downtown 2 bedroom apartment in Greenville, SC and Charleston, SC is between $2,800-$3,600 per month.

Let me paraphrase Roundy’s rebuttal:

 

”Other than those examples, I mean” 

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Just now, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Let me paraphrase Roundy’s rebuttal:

 

”Other than those examples, I mean” 


It’s housing affordability. That’s it. 

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Guy Benson is typically pretty clear eyed in his takes.  
 

Good post. 
 

 

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Posted
Just now, SCBills said:

Guy Benson is pretty clear eyed in his

evals. 
 

Good post. 
 

 


Guy Benson is a Fox News chud lmfao of course he’s going to prop up this bill 

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Just now, Roundybout said:


Guy Benson is a Fox News chud lmfao of course he’s going to prop up this bill 


Hes criticized Trump plenty. 
 

Not everyone on Fox is a Hannity style sycophant. 

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Just now, Big Blitz said:

 


All this just to remove brown people from the country. Really astonishing stuff. 
 

 

Oh well. The people this affects the most - the MAGA rurals - will hopefully figure it out as they gasp out their last breaths on a street corner somewhere because their rural hospital closed.

Just now, SCBills said:


Hes criticized Trump plenty. 
 

Not everyone on Fox is a Hannity style sycophant. 


They are if they don’t want the MAGA crowd to cancel them

Posted
11 minutes ago, Roundybout said:


It’s housing affordability. That’s it. 

For some. For others it’s climate, tax, political leadership, people, folks in search of a better life.  
 

 

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1 minute ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

For some. For others it’s climate, tax, political leadership, people, folks in search of a better life.  
 

 


From my experience, owning a business that deals with a lot of transplants to NC, SC and GA.. this is the case.  
 

Relatively cheaper housing, as opposed to NY/NJ, is usually a pleasant addition to their move, but it’s primarily due to:

 

-Politics

-Safety

-Better place to start a family 

-Weather 

-Culture

 

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Just now, SCBills said:


From my experience, owning a business that deals with a lot of transplants to NC, SC and GA.. this is the case.  
 

Relatively cheaper housing, as opposed to NY/NJ, is usually a pleasant addition to their move, but it’s primarily due to:

 

-Politics

-Safety

-Better place to start a family 

-Weather 

-Culture

 


All of this, besides weather of course, stems from affordable housing. 
 

 

Housing is security, community, and wealth. 
 

It is the most important issue facing the world today. 

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Just now, Roundybout said:


All of this, besides weather of course, stems from affordable housing. 
 

 

Housing is security, community, and wealth. 
 

It is the most important issue facing the world today. 


I won’t dismiss this entirely, but Safety is the main driver of what I listed. 
 

Even Atlanta, a blue city, is incredibly pro-police. 
 

Ever since the BLM riots, this city has poured money into policing, both in Midtown and in Buckhead - who threatened to secede from Atlanta and form its own municipality if pro-police reforms weren’t enacted. 
 

Brian Kemp and Democrat leaders, together, have worked to make Atlanta a safe area to raise a family.  There are areas that aren’t great.. but that’s kind of how it goes down south.  The R/D leadership alike protect those who want to be protected and in the small number of areas that reject policing .. they make sure it doesn’t spread into areas that welcome it. 

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There's a lot of stuff in the bill I like.  Never a fan of cutting the social safety net though which this bill actually does.  I'd rather have more people abuse the system then let a few needy fall through the cracks.

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2 minutes ago, SCBills said:


I won’t dismiss this entirely, but Safety is the main driver of what I listed. 
 

Even Atlanta, a blue city, is incredibly pro-police. 
 

Ever since the BLM riots, this city has poured money into policing, both in Midtown and in Buckhead - who threatened to secede from Atlanta and form its own municipality if pro-police reforms weren’t enacted. 
 

Brian Kemp and Democrat leaders, together, have worked to make Atlanta a safe area to raise a family.  There are areas that aren’t great.. but that’s kind of how it goes down south.  The R/D leadership alike protect those who want to be protected and in the small number of areas that reject policing .. they make sure it doesn’t spread into areas that welcome it. 


Certainly, and I have great issues with how governments like San Fran address issues like policing. Dems have to find a good niche between John Kerry and AOC. 
 

Newsome signing the bill gutting CEQR for most housing developments is a good start. He needs to continue to ignore the plague of nonprofits that were abusing the law to stop any new development anywhere. 

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