Roundybout Posted July 3 Posted July 3 2 minutes ago, SCBills said: I do, because I’m not a hyperventilating crazy person. It’s already happening. https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/ice-deports-3-u-s-citizen-children-held-incommunicado-prior-to-the-deportation When are you going to realize you’re on the bad guys’ side?
SCBills Posted July 3 Posted July 3 26 minutes ago, Roundybout said: It’s already happening. https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/ice-deports-3-u-s-citizen-children-held-incommunicado-prior-to-the-deportation When are you going to realize you’re on the bad guys’ side? I don’t defend every single deportation. I wish there were a better way, but this is where we are. The stories you linked sound incredibly murky and not, at all, along the lines of “ICE is deporting American Citizens”… typically every-time a story like this arises, (as seems to be the case in your link) it’s due to the children going with their illegal parents in the deportation process. There are two choices. Destroy our country by opening it up to criminals and welfare recipients in order to feel morally superior when it comes to a small number of individual cases that we might wish could be handled differently OR acknowledge it’s not perfect but America needs an identity and borders, while having a main priority of protecting and helping its own citizens. You clearly prefer the first option. But there’s nothing morally superior when inner cities have social services, schools and hospitals overrun, while taxpayers field the burden and unnecessary murders, rapes, drunk driving accidents and drug overdoses plague this country so you can feel better about yourself. 1 1
Roundybout Posted July 3 Posted July 3 5 minutes ago, SCBills said: I don’t defend every single deportation. I wish there were a better way, but this is where we are. The stories you linked sound incredibly murky and not, at all, along the lines of “ICE is deporting American Citizens”… typically every-time a story like this arises, (as seems to be the case in your link) it’s due to the children going with their illegal parents in the deportation process. There are two choices. Destroy our country by opening it up to criminals and welfare recipients in order to feel morally superior when it comes to a small number of individual cases that we might wish could be handled differently OR acknowledge it’s not perfect but America needs an identity and borders, while having a main priority of protecting and helping its own citizens. You clearly prefer the first option. But there’s nothing morally superior when inner cities have social services, schools and hospitals overrun, while taxpayers field the burden and unnecessary murders, rapes, drunk driving accidents and drug overdoses plague this country so you can feel better about yourself. What does “destroy our country” mean? I’ve heard this hysteria since the Bush administration.
JDHillFan Posted July 3 Posted July 3 3 minutes ago, Roundybout said: What does “destroy our country” mean? I’ve heard this hysteria since the Bush administration. I’ve heard republicans are going to kill millions since well before the Bush administration. Turns out it’s always been complete bullsh*t. 3
Big Blitz Posted July 3 Posted July 3 What will a $1,000 “Trump account” starting at birth return on average in 60 years? $575,000 https://time.com/7292905/trump-accounts-newborns-1000-dollars/
Roundybout Posted July 3 Posted July 3 34 minutes ago, SCBills said: I don’t defend every single deportation. I wish there were a better way, but this is where we are. The stories you linked sound incredibly murky and not, at all, along the lines of “ICE is deporting American Citizens”… typically every-time a story like this arises, (as seems to be the case in your link) it’s due to the children going with their illegal parents in the deportation process. There are two choices. Destroy our country by opening it up to criminals and welfare recipients in order to feel morally superior when it comes to a small number of individual cases that we might wish could be handled differently OR acknowledge it’s not perfect but America needs an identity and borders, while having a main priority of protecting and helping its own citizens. You clearly prefer the first option. But there’s nothing morally superior when inner cities have social services, schools and hospitals overrun, while taxpayers field the burden and unnecessary murders, rapes, drunk driving accidents and drug overdoses plague this country so you can feel better about yourself. Also, knock it off with this supposed belief in supporting social services for Americans. The MAGAs just voted to strip 5% of American citizens of their healthcare. The vast majority of immigrants are hard workers with jobs. Thats evidenced by the fact that ICE has to keep raiding job sites, and that Trump had to back track and pause ICE raids on farms.
SCBills Posted July 3 Posted July 3 3 hours ago, Roundybout said: Also, knock it off with this supposed belief in supporting social services for Americans. The MAGAs just voted to strip 5% of American citizens of their healthcare. The vast majority of immigrants are hard workers with jobs. Thats evidenced by the fact that ICE has to keep raiding job sites, and that Trump had to back track and pause ICE raids on farms. Do you think illegal immigrants should have taxpayer funded healthcare benefits and we should have no work requirements for able-bodied Americans who leech off the system? Of course hospitals have an ethical duty to treat anyone, for any reason, regardless of economic or national status, but that’s not what we’re talking about here. 1
SCBills Posted July 3 Posted July 3 3 hours ago, Roundybout said: What does “destroy our country” mean? I’ve heard this hysteria since the Bush administration. Why is everyone leaving California? Why did San Francisco have recalls? Why are Chicagoans warning New Yorkers about Mamdami? Why did NYC struggle with being a sanctuary state so much when Southern states started bussing migrants up north? Do you believe Ilhan Omar style politics are good for this country? These are all cracks beginning to show, in part, due to migration and lack of assimilation of people who do not hold American values. Warped higher education, along two generations struggling to hold stake in a capitalist society, being the other. Illegal immigration is not the entire issue, but it’s the accelerant. And you’re seeing the results blue city in blue state by blue city in blue state. The evidence is right in front of you as people flee these states for more traditional Americana in Texas, Tennessee, the Carolinas, Georgia and Florida. 1
Roundybout Posted July 3 Posted July 3 11 minutes ago, SCBills said: Do you think illegal immigrants should have taxpayer funded healthcare benefits and we should have no work requirements for able-bodied Americans who leech off the system? Of course hospitals have an ethical duty to treat anyone, for any reason, regardless of economic or national status, but that’s not what we’re talking about here. If they are working here, yes they should have access to healthcare. There’s absolutely no reason not to. This notion of “29 year olds in mom’s basement playing video games all day” is a complete strawman you guys have made up. It doesn’t happen. 4 minutes ago, SCBills said: Why is everyone leaving California? Why did San Francisco have recalls? Why are Chicagoans warning New Yorkers about Mamdami? Why did NYC struggle with being a sanctuary state so much when Southern states started bussing migrants up north? Do you believe Ilhan Omar style politics are good for this country? These are all cracks beginning to show, in part, due to migration and lack of assimilation of people who do not hold American values. Warped higher education, along two generations struggling to hold stake in a capitalist society, being the other. Illegal immigration is not the entire issue, but it’s the accelerant. And you’re seeing the results blue city in blue state by blue city in blue state. The evidence is right in front of you as people flee these states for more traditional Americana in Texas, Tennessee, the Carolinas, Georgia and Florida. They’re fleeing it because it’s simply not affordable to live. When the median house in California is over $700,000, then it’s no surprise people are leaving it. Nearly every single prominent American metropolis is blue.
Big Blitz Posted July 3 Posted July 3 4 minutes ago, SCBills said: Why is everyone leaving California? Why did San Francisco have recalls? Why are Chicagoans warning New Yorkers about Mamdami? Why did NYC struggle with being a sanctuary state so much when Southern states started bussing migrants up north? Do you believe Ilhan Omar style politics are good for this country? These are all cracks beginning to show, in part, due to migration and lack of assimilation of people who do not hold American values. Warped higher education, along two generations struggling to hold stake in a capitalist society, being the other. Illegal immigration is not the entire issue, but it’s the accelerant. And you’re seeing the results blue city in blue state by blue city in blue state. The evidence is right in front of you as people flee these states for more traditional Americana in Texas, Tennessee, the Carolinas, Georgia and Florida.
SCBills Posted July 3 Posted July 3 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Roundybout said: If they are working here, yes they should have access to healthcare. There’s absolutely no reason not to. This notion of “29 year olds in mom’s basement playing video games all day” is a complete strawman you guys have made up. It doesn’t happen. They’re fleeing it because it’s simply not affordable to live. When the median house in California is over $700,000, then it’s no surprise people are leaving it. Nearly every single prominent American metropolis is blue. People aren’t fleeing Atlanta. It’s expensive in Buckhead and Midtown. Blue city in a red state seem to do fine. People aren’t fleeing Dallas. People aren’t fleeing Nashville. People aren’t fleeing Miami. People aren’t fleeing Charlotte and Raleigh. Mid-size South Carolina cities like Greenville and Charleston are exploding. A downtown 2 bedroom apartment in Greenville, SC and Charleston, SC is between $2,800-$3,600 per month. Edited July 3 by SCBills
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