B-Man Posted July 17 Posted July 17 Pushing Back Against the Big Medicaid Lie. 1. Republicans voted to increase Medicaid spending over the next 10 years by 20%. 2. Republicans voted to preserve Medicaid for the needy by making sure that everyone using the program’s valuable resources is truly needy – and eligible. 3. Republicans voted to create an economy where more people can get jobs that provide high-quality health insurance. Emphasize this: Jobs are good. 4. Republicans treat Medicaid recipients with dignity, asking them to follow simple rules to qualify for the benefit, rather than treating them as helpless wards of the state. 5. Republicans are bending the curve downward on the national debt. Even if the CBO is right that the debt will increase by $3.5 trillion over the next 10 years, that increase is only 20% of what it was over the previous 10 years. And the Trump tax cuts are expected to stimulate the economy, so the national debt will actually decrease. Those will do for a start. Remember, the Big Beautiful Bill is the codification of the agenda that President Trump ran on in 2024. It’s not tricky. It’s not nefarious. And if it is unpopular, that’s only because Democrats have been lying about it. Now, it’s up to Republicans to fight back against the Big Medicaid Lie, or else pay the price for their silence. https://realclearwire.com/articles/2025/07/14/pushing_back_against_big_medicaid_lie_153038.html 2 1 1
Doc Brown Posted July 17 Posted July 17 18 minutes ago, B-Man said: Pushing Back Against the Big Medicaid Lie. 1. Republicans voted to increase Medicaid spending over the next 10 years by 20%. 2. Republicans voted to preserve Medicaid for the needy by making sure that everyone using the program’s valuable resources is truly needy – and eligible. 3. Republicans voted to create an economy where more people can get jobs that provide high-quality health insurance. Emphasize this: Jobs are good. 4. Republicans treat Medicaid recipients with dignity, asking them to follow simple rules to qualify for the benefit, rather than treating them as helpless wards of the state. 5. Republicans are bending the curve downward on the national debt. Even if the CBO is right that the debt will increase by $3.5 trillion over the next 10 years, that increase is only 20% of what it was over the previous 10 years. And the Trump tax cuts are expected to stimulate the economy, so the national debt will actually decrease. Those will do for a start. Remember, the Big Beautiful Bill is the codification of the agenda that President Trump ran on in 2024. It’s not tricky. It’s not nefarious. And if it is unpopular, that’s only because Democrats have been lying about it. Now, it’s up to Republicans to fight back against the Big Medicaid Lie, or else pay the price for their silence. https://realclearwire.com/articles/2025/07/14/pushing_back_against_big_medicaid_lie_153038.html It's not a lie. Now governors can make the paperwork people need to fill out to maintain their medicaid as confusing as possible. Work requirements have failed miserably in any state that's tried to implement it. Employment remained stagnant and the administrative costs of trying to enforce the policy costs the taxpayers money. They wanted to cut medicaid despite most campaigning that they wouldn't and that's there spin. In reality though, many will lose coverage and it's not hyperbole when I say it will cost both medical bankruptcy and lives in some circumstances. 1 1
B-Man Posted July 17 Posted July 17 Trump administration hands over Medicaid recipients’ personal data, including addresses, to ICE https://apnews.com/article/immigration-medicaid-trump-ice-ab9c2267ce596089410387bfcb40eeb7? 2
Joe Ferguson forever Posted July 19 Posted July 19 (edited) It's hard to be critical of people for inherited stupidity but some are just too stupid to abide. And believing in trump is costing them big. Medicaid cuts have gotten most of the press as they all be devastating to rural communities who overwhelming voted for trump. The SNAP cuts will also cause significant pain. I have sympathy for the poor rural folks that voted D. those that voted for trump are getting what they voted for. https://www.politico.com/news/2025/07/19/trump-snap-food-cuts-rural-grocers-megabill-00463048 “I lean pretty heavily right most of the time, but one of the things that I do lean to the left on is we’re a pretty wealthy country, we can help people out,” said St. Johns, Arizona, Mayor Spence Udall, whose town overwhelmingly supportedTrump in 2024. “The businesses that will be affected most by this are the businesses that are most disadvantaged, that are struggling, and you’re going to find that in the rural markets,” he added. Udall’s community, which sits halfway between — but still far from — Phoenix and Albuquerque, has one grocery store and one local food bank serving over 3,500 people. If the store shutters due to the food aid cuts, the next closest option for groceries is roughly 30 miles away. dumb, dumb, dumb Edited July 19 by Joe Ferguson forever 1
nedboy7 Posted July 19 Posted July 19 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: It's hard to be critical of people for inherited stupidity but some are just too stupid to abide. And believing in trump is costing them big. Medicaid cuts have gotten mots of the press as they all be devastating to rural communities who overwhelming voted for trump. The SNAP cuts will also cause significant pain. I have sympathy for the poor rural folks that voted D. those that voted for trump are getting what they voted for. https://www.politico.com/news/2025/07/19/trump-snap-food-cuts-rural-grocers-megabill-00463048 “I lean pretty heavily right most of the time, but one of the things that I do lean to the left on is we’re a pretty wealthy country, we can help people out,” said St. Johns, Arizona, Mayor Spence Udall, whose town overwhelmingly supportedTrump in 2024. “The businesses that will be affected most by this are the businesses that are most disadvantaged, that are struggling, and you’re going to find that in the rural markets,” he added. Udall’s community, which sits halfway between — but still far from — Phoenix and Albuquerque, has one grocery store and one local food bank serving over 3,500 people. If the store shutters due to the food aid cuts, the next closest option for groceries is roughly 30 miles away. dumb, dumb, dumb I have seen interviews where rural MAGA dont accept that their hospitals are closing due to Trump's policies. They think it is the fault of the "medical system". It is pretty sad out there. Unfortunately these people vote based on lies and against their own interests. I feel bad for people who are this ignorant. Edited July 19 by nedboy7
Joe Ferguson forever Posted July 19 Posted July 19 1 minute ago, nedboy7 said: I have seen interviews where rural MAGA dont accept that their hospitals are closing due to Trump's policies. They think it is the fault of the "medical system". It is pretty sad out there. Unfortunately these people vote. I feel bad for people who are this ignorant. yup, they ate. And some can't read or write. It's amazing how prevalent illiteracy is in these areas. lack of education is a huge reason for MAGAs success. interesting that the maga elite don't mind killing them off.
B-Man Posted July 19 Posted July 19 12 minutes ago, nedboy7 said: I have seen interviews where rural MAGA dont accept that their hospitals are closing due to Trump's policies. They think it is the fault of the "medical system". It is pretty sad out there. Unfortunately these people vote based on lies and against their own interests. I feel bad for people who are this ignorant. 8 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: yup, they ate. And some can't read or write. It's amazing how prevalent illiteracy is in these areas. lack of education is a huge reason for MAGAs success. interesting that the maga elite don't mind killing them off. Adults are aware that Rural Hospitals, a subject with which I have intimate appreciation of, have been closing at an alarming rate for the past three decades But you keep up with your "look at those imbeciles, yuk yuk" No one expects any better out of you two. 2 1 2
Joe Ferguson forever Posted July 20 Posted July 20 4 hours ago, B-Man said: Adults are aware that Rural Hospitals, a subject with which I have intimate appreciation of, have been closing at an alarming rate for the past three decades But you keep up with your "look at those imbeciles, yuk yuk" No one expects any better out of you two. I don't think it's funny at all. I'm sure the hospital you were /are affiliated with had a difficult time keeping the doors open. Mine did as well but we survived having a reasonable amount of commercially insured patients to counter a very large Medicaid population. making it worse by cutting Medicaid (which you must know, barely covers costs) will cause many more closures than if the bill didn't pass.
nedboy7 Posted July 20 Posted July 20 (edited) 21 hours ago, B-Man said: Adults are aware that Rural Hospitals, a subject with which I have intimate appreciation of, have been closing at an alarming rate for the past three decades But you keep up with your "look at those imbeciles, yuk yuk" No one expects any better out of you two. You might want to read something not from the far right to get a balanced view of things. I read right wing stuff. It is not al lies. Neither are left wing opinions. https://www.kiplinger.com/taxes/medicaid-cuts-and-your-local-hospital BTW I am not MAGA. I dont enjoy the suffering of people I dont agree with. Edited July 20 by nedboy7 1
Joe Ferguson forever Posted July 20 Posted July 20 (edited) 1 hour ago, nedboy7 said: You might want to read something not from the far right to get a balanced view of things. I read right wing stuff. It is not al lies. Neither are left wing opinions. https://www.kiplinger.com/taxes/medicaid-cuts-and-your-local-hospital BTW I am not MAGA. I dont enjoy the suffering of people I dont agree with. Funny that he doesn't comment further on this after accusing us of laughing at the poor and uneducated. It's so very disturbing that they were so successfully exploited. Pointing that out is not disparaging them. It's pitying them. And they'll soon need much more than pity. B man is one of the few maga's here that I think has been honest about his occupation. Acting as a rural hospital administrator is generally a noble pursuit. So is working as a nurse.. And if these are true, he should have fairly extensive knowledge of what the Medicaid cuts will mean for these people and have abundant anxiety for them. But he's not sharing his knowledge other than saying that rural hospitals have been closing for 30 years. That's true but what happens next to them after the Medicaid cuts? Edited July 20 by Joe Ferguson forever
JFKjr Posted July 20 Posted July 20 On 7/19/2025 at 3:58 PM, nedboy7 said: I have seen interviews where rural MAGA dont accept that their hospitals are closing due to Trump's policies. They think it is the fault of the "medical system". It is pretty sad out there. Unfortunately these people vote based on lies and against their own interests. I feel bad for people who are this ignorant. Your sympathy is accepted! 1
Joe Ferguson forever Posted July 23 Posted July 23 (edited) A nice summary of the expected fallout from Medicaid cuts.. B'man, do you agree? https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2025-07-21/rural-hospitals-brace-for-fallout-from-medicaid-cuts Analysts say the cuts will further strain the financial stability of rural hospitals and clinics that have already been operating on thin margins. Alan Morgan, chief executive officer of the National Rural Health Association, says 45% of the nation’s rural hospitals are already operating at a loss. “More than 300 are at risk of closure already. So you've got thin margins, in many cases negative margins. So obviously, when you remove $155 billion over the next 10 years, it's going to have an impact,” he says. Rasmussen says that hospitals are now seeing “a very dim light at the end of the tunnel” as they evaluate how to adjust for the loss in funding. “Some will choose to make adjustments very quickly, some will wait it out and hope that maybe the next Congress will rescind some of these cuts,” he says. “But I think you're going to see more communities step up and say, ‘We're just going to bite the bullet on this one and we're going to shut down obstetrics,’ ‘We're going to shut down physical therapy,’ or, ‘We're going to close the following clinics to make sure that we are making our debt payments to our local banks and we're holding on to as many employment opportunities for the people in our small town.’” “This will affect all of us as the cost of this uncompensated care leads hospitals and care providers to charge paying customers more to cover their costs. Some hospitals and providers, especially those in rural and underserved areas, will be unable to make up for these unreimbursed costs and will be financially threatened by these changes.” We're starting to see this even in a relatively afffluent rural community: Rasmussen notes that hospitals tend to be the employers that provide some of the highest compensation in rural communities. “In order to be able to appropriately recruit a physician or a nurse or a pharmacist, you have to pay market rates because you're competing with urban communities. When you lose that talent, it is extremely difficult to get them to come back,” he says. Edited July 23 by Joe Ferguson forever
B-Man Posted July 23 Posted July 23 8 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: A nice summary of the expected fallout from Medicaid cuts.. B'man, do you agree? No. A quick glance at the author's other articles reveals her bias. She is taking the worst case scenario to it's limit. As I wrote earlier, Rural hospitals have been closing for decades for a multitude of reasons, overregulation by the government being a large part. But you want need it to be President Trump's fault. We all know it. . 1 2
Joe Ferguson forever Posted July 23 Posted July 23 (edited) 1 hour ago, B-Man said: No. A quick glance at the author's other articles reveals her bias. She is taking the worst case scenario to it's limit. As I wrote earlier, Rural hospitals have been closing for decades for a multitude of reasons, overregulation by the government being a large part. But you want need it to be President Trump's fault. We all know it. . I don't want it at all. What specific parts do you disagree with? She quoted rural hospital execs. Do you not believe that more will close than if the bill didn't pass? Do you not believe it will be more difficult to recruit top talent? Do you not agree that more departments like obstetrics will now close? And that hospital employees will lose their jobs and then their insurance? Do you not believe that more people will use the ER for unreimbursed care shifting costs to private insurers and ultimately the companies who buy it and their employees? Who championed the bill? but you blame the author... Edited July 23 by Joe Ferguson forever
Doc Brown Posted July 23 Posted July 23 2 hours ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: A nice summary of the expected fallout from Medicaid cuts.. B'man, do you agree? https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2025-07-21/rural-hospitals-brace-for-fallout-from-medicaid-cuts Analysts say the cuts will further strain the financial stability of rural hospitals and clinics that have already been operating on thin margins. Alan Morgan, chief executive officer of the National Rural Health Association, says 45% of the nation’s rural hospitals are already operating at a loss. “More than 300 are at risk of closure already. So you've got thin margins, in many cases negative margins. So obviously, when you remove $155 billion over the next 10 years, it's going to have an impact,” he says. Rasmussen says that hospitals are now seeing “a very dim light at the end of the tunnel” as they evaluate how to adjust for the loss in funding. “Some will choose to make adjustments very quickly, some will wait it out and hope that maybe the next Congress will rescind some of these cuts,” he says. “But I think you're going to see more communities step up and say, ‘We're just going to bite the bullet on this one and we're going to shut down obstetrics,’ ‘We're going to shut down physical therapy,’ or, ‘We're going to close the following clinics to make sure that we are making our debt payments to our local banks and we're holding on to as many employment opportunities for the people in our small town.’” “This will affect all of us as the cost of this uncompensated care leads hospitals and care providers to charge paying customers more to cover their costs. Some hospitals and providers, especially those in rural and underserved areas, will be unable to make up for these unreimbursed costs and will be financially threatened by these changes.” We're starting to see this even in a relatively afffluent rural community: Rasmussen notes that hospitals tend to be the employers that provide some of the highest compensation in rural communities. “In order to be able to appropriately recruit a physician or a nurse or a pharmacist, you have to pay market rates because you're competing with urban communities. When you lose that talent, it is extremely difficult to get them to come back,” he says. I mean. That's fine because it will kick all the illegal immigrants off and those made up 35 year olds playing video games in their parents basement. It's a hell of a sell by Republicans tbh but it's not based in reality. Ask Lisa Murkowski. 1
Joe Ferguson forever Posted July 23 Posted July 23 (edited) 43 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: I mean. That's fine because it will kick all the illegal immigrants off and those made up 35 year olds playing video games in their parents basement. It's a hell of a sell by Republicans tbh but it's not based in reality. Ask Lisa Murkowski. It really wasn't a sell. Many who will be affected are uninformed or hold B man's twisted logic. I think of the guy who just cut brush for me. Small biz, 3 kids. Don't know if he's on Medicaid but if not he's likely buying it through the exchange which is going to become unaffordable. There will be 10 million other examples. And more because of the ripple effect on exchange plans. Edited July 23 by Joe Ferguson forever 1
B-Man Posted July 24 Posted July 24 BLUE STATE BLUES: Washington ‘in the worst budget crisis we’ve ever had.’ “We’re in the worst budget crisis we’ve ever had,” Gov. Bob Ferguson’s Senior Health Policy Advisor Caitlin Safford told the Senate Health & Long-Term Care Committee at its Tuesday meeting. The One Big Beautiful Bill Act enacts changes to Medicaid eligibility, which is expected to significantly reduce the number of Washington residents on the program, known in the state as Apple Heath. While Sen. Patty Murray, D-Wash., recently claimed 250,000 would lose coverage and cause more than a dozen hospitals to close, Health Care Authority Medicaid Director Charissa Fotinos told the Health & Long-Term Care Committee she estimated 100,000 would lose coverage. While she said that “we can’t say with any certainty how many people will lose coverage and how much money it will cost the state over the 10-year period,” she added that “the impacts will significant.” https://www.everettpost.com/state-news/fiscal-fallout-washington-in-the-worst-budget-crisis-weve-ever-had It isn’t the responsibility of voters in the other 49 states to pay for Washington’s largess for illegals and fraudsters — the only people losing coverage under OBBBA.
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