4th&long Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago (edited) First or all he said "probably". Nothing definitive about that. Obama and Bush getting the test? Means nothing to me, they were not close to Biden's age. It is recommended that men over 70 not get this test, it is common for men over 70 to have advanced case of it when it is found. Very easy info to find using goggle. You would rather spread theories and VS because you are Maga white trash. Even the thread title was changed to be misleading. He probably has had the cancer for some time. No one said he had the diagnoses for years!! Oh, except for Maga white trash. 7 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said: For Bullstojan & 4th... Fuk.c off. Oh I'm so heart broken that this inbred redneck that's is the king of sh it posting doesn't like me. I'm going to run in the corner and hide. Stop banging your sister! Edited 8 hours ago by 4th&long 1
JDHillFan Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago 12 minutes ago, 4th&long said: First or all he said "probably". Nothing definitive about that. Obama and Bush getting the test? Means nothing to me, they were not close to Biden's age. It is recommended that men over 70 not get this test, it is common for men over 70 to have advanced case of it when it is found. Very easy info to find using goggle. You would rather spread theories and VS because you are Maga white trash. Even the thread title was changed to be misleading. He probably has had the cancer for some time. No one said he had the diagnoses for years!! Oh, except for Maga white trash. Oh I'm so heart broken that this inbred redneck that's is the king of sh it posting doesn't like me. I'm going to run in the corner and hide. Stop banging your sister! Biden and his supporters wanted us to believe he was good for another four years. People that think like you, actually carried him to victory in the primaries. Do you believe it’s the proper thing for the president of the United States to not be tested for cancer because of his age? Seems like an exception should be made for this particular job.
Doc Posted 6 hours ago Posted 6 hours ago I think most non-Dems here have wished Biden well. I have no doubt that if it had been Trump with this diagnosis, the majority of Dems would be like TH3 and celebrating it. So spare us the indignation about the potential cover-up of Biden's health. You get no BoTD after the lies/cover-up of his mental decline. 4 1
Orlando Buffalo Posted 6 hours ago Posted 6 hours ago It is officially true now- the WP is calling the coverup a "conspiracy theory" https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/05/19/biden-cancer-support/ 1
joshypoo Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago Biden deserves to burn for the atrocities against Gaza children…fire up the band and break open a beer, this is a reason to celebrate. Hopefully we get some similar news again sometime soon! 1
SCBills Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago 16 minutes ago, joshypoo said: Biden deserves to burn for the atrocities against Gaza children…fire up the band and break open a beer, this is a reason to celebrate. Hopefully we get some similar news again sometime soon! I’m not necessarily a huge Zionist or anything.. in fact im open to plenty of allegations against the state of Israel committing potential war crimes and powerful Jewish people when it comes to degenerate societal programming. That said… The typical Hamas supporter sounds like you and I immediately remember why I typically side with Israel/Jews. 1
Doc Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago 24 minutes ago, joshypoo said: Biden deserves to burn for the atrocities against Gaza children…fire up the band and break open a beer, this is a reason to celebrate. Hopefully we get some similar news again sometime soon! Hamas deserves most of the blame. 3
B-Man Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago How Did Doctors Miss Stage 4 Cancer in Patient #1? Ed Morrissey Close. The Wall Street Journal comes so close to the correct question -- and answer. But close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades, and the WSJ seems oddly credulous where skepticism is not just warranted but downright required. The news that Joe Biden has a late-stage and metastatic version of normally slow-developing prostate cancer stunned everyone this weekend -- particularly doctors. Starting off with a Gleason score of nine usually only happens with men who refuse to have examinations for at least several years. Even apart from questioning the timing of the news, coming less than 48 hours after the release of the Hur tape, everyone also questioned how a president with constant access to the best medical care possible could not have been properly diagnosed. The obvious conclusion is that it wasn't missed. The Bidens hid the diagnosis, likely for the entirety of his presidency, as Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel told Morning Joe viewers yesterday. However, the Wall Street Journal plays it straight today, not even broaching the possibility of a cover-up while attempting to find an answer elsewhere: The news that the former president is battling an aggressive, stage-4 prostate cancer that has spread to the bone ignited a public debate about why a person with peerless access to medical care was diagnosed at such an advanced stage with a disease that is quite common in men his age. Many prostate cancers in the U.S. are detected with a blood test that measures prostate-specific antigen, or PSA. The test is cheap and can help find potential cancer before symptoms appear. There are some particularly aggressive prostate cancers that don’t secrete enough PSA to be flagged on the test. But those are rare, doctors said. https://hotair.com/ed-morrissey/2025/05/20/wsj-wonders-how-did-doctors-miss-stage-4-cancer-in-patient-1-n3802944 https://www.wsj.com/health/joe-biden-had-unrivaled-medical-care-how-did-his-cancer-go-undetected-93d735d4?mod=hp_lead_pos8
JDHillFan Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago To save money…who wouldn’t believe that? I’ll tell you who - maga conspiracy theorists. Doctors were DOGE-ing before it was fashionable. Impressive. 1 1
JFKjr Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago So the physical exams were as thorough as the mental exams. Great stuff! The Autopen had a wonderful presidency.
Joe Ferguson forever Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago (edited) https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/5308413-prostate-cancer-screening-biden/ Biden’s diagnosis is serious, and while treatable, it can’t be cured. Prostate cancer experts said it’s unclear how long Biden has had cancer. Even if he was screened regularly in recent years, they said it’s not uncommon for cancer to develop without notable symptoms. “Cancer doesn’t necessarily follow a rule book. It’s possible that this came out of the blue, because cancer can do that,” said Alicia Morgans, a prostate cancer specialist at the Dana-Farber Cancer Institute, and board member of the advocacy group ZERO Prostate Cancer. The public summary of his visit listed several tests doctors performed, but not a prostate-specific antigen (PSA) test. That’s not surprising, said Geoffrey Sonn, an associate professor of urology at Stanford University School of Medicine. “Really, there’s not many people out there that will advocate for continuing aggressive PSA screening for men in their 80s,” he said. “In retrospect, I think that it’s likely that if he had continued screening against pretty much all guidelines, that they probably would have found this earlier.” Current cancer screening guidelines are complicated, and Biden’s case echoes a tension; it’s best if the cancer is caught early, but there needs to be a balance between early detection and overtreatment. Doctors not involved in Biden’s care said they did not see any signs of a missed diagnosis. “Nothing about his story sounds to me as if there’s been a cover-up or a delay, or anything that is untoward,” said Morgans. “It really sounds like an unfortunate case of prostate cancer diagnosed just a hair too late to cure in a man who also happened to be the President of the United States very recently, and now has a very real-world problem that he and his family have to tackle.” Edited 3 hours ago by Joe Ferguson forever
B-Man Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 6 minutes ago, JDHillFan said: To save money…who wouldn’t believe that? I’ll tell you who - maga conspiracy theorists. Doctors were DOGE-ing before it was fashionable. Impressive. You know, Joe is worth millions, he could have paid for his own physical. I'm willing to bet that that never even occurred to them. 2 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: No. From personal experience, even when you do not have symptoms, your PSA is still elevated. Thus ANY doctor would know of the presence of cancer. . 1
JFKjr Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 1 minute ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/5308413-prostate-cancer-screening-biden/ Biden’s diagnosis is serious, and while treatable, it can’t be cured. Prostate cancer experts said it’s unclear how long Biden has had cancer. Even if he was screened regularly in recent years, they said it’s not uncommon for cancer to develop without notable symptoms. “Cancer doesn’t necessarily follow a rule book. It’s possible that this came out of the blue, because cancer can do that,” said Alicia Morgans, a prostate cancer specialist at the Dana-Farber Cancer Institute, and board member of the advocacy group ZERO Prostate Cancer. His dementia came "out of the blue" too, so that fits. A nice campaign slogan for 2028. OUT OF THE BLUE! 1
BillsFanNC Posted 3 hours ago Author Posted 3 hours ago The PSA test is a basic streptavidin - biotin sandwich ELISA. Dirt cheap to run and absolutely zero reason NOT to run it right alongside the battery of other tests run from the blood draw, unless..... 😆
Joe Ferguson forever Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago (edited) 13 minutes ago, B-Man said: No. From personal experience, even when you do not have symptoms, your PSA is still elevated. Thus ANY doctor would know of the presence of cancer. No. He may not have had a psa since that is actually against guidelines act 82. Even if he did, psa is a notably poor test. There are signing numbers of false positives and negatives. It's part of the reason why screening is controversial. But the vast majority off of 80+yo that get prostate cancer will die of something else. Biden sadly probably will not. “One of the reasons that you don’t want to screen older men is they’re so likely to have prostate cancer, even though it’s that benign-ish prostate cancer that’s never going to kill them,” said Otis Brawley, a medical oncologist at Johns Hopkins University who treats patients with metastatic prostate cancer. “I’ve seen an awful lot of guys have a lot of mental torment and a lot of physical torment because they were diagnosed with a prostate cancer that all the doctors knew was a cancer that was never going to bother them if It was left alone,” Brawley said. President Trump had his PSA levels tested in April, according to the White House. They were normal. Speaking to reporters at the White House on Monday afternoon, Trump questioned whether Biden was tested, and why the cancer wasn’t caught sooner. Behfar Ehdaie, a urological surgeon at Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center in New York, said while it’s difficult to provide an accurate assessment of Biden’s prognosis, men typically are not screened for prostate cancer after the age of 70, unless they show symptoms. The public summary of his visit listed several tests doctors performed, but not a prostate-specific antigen (PSA) test. That’s not surprising, said Geoffrey Sonn, an associate professor of urology at Stanford University School of Medicine. “Really, there’s not many people out there that will advocate for continuing aggressive PSA screening for men in their 80s,” he said. “In retrospect, I think that it’s likely that if he had continued screening against pretty much all guidelines, that they probably would have found this earlier.” Current cancer screening guidelines are complicated, and Biden’s case echoes a tension; it’s best if the cancer is caught early, but there needs to be a balance between early detection and overtreatment. Edited 3 hours ago by Joe Ferguson forever
JFKjr Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago Turbo Prostate Cancer. Maybe he DID get that Covid vaccine, after all! Poor guy...
JDHillFan Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago Just now, Joe Ferguson forever said: No. He may not have had a psa since that is actually against guidelines act 82. He wanted to be president for another four years. Your diagnosis was that he was up for it. Now you have no interest in whether or not the president has cancer because of guidelines? Must you be a hack? 1
B-Man Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago Just now, Joe Ferguson forever said: No. He may not have had a psa since that is actually against guidelines act 82. Even if he did, psa is a notably poor test. There are signing numbers of false positives and negatives. It's part of the reason why screening is controversial. But the vast majority off of 80+yo that get prostate cancer will die of something else. Biden sadly probably will not. You have been misinformed. Little of what you wrote is true. There is NO CHANCE that he was not getting a PSA test BEFORE he turned 80 But if it makes you feel better, embrace it. 1
Joe Ferguson forever Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 3 minutes ago, B-Man said: You have been misinformed. Little of what you wrote is true. There is NO CHANCE that he was not getting a PSA test BEFORE he turned 80 But if it makes you feel better, embrace it. What is not true? Specifically? I quoted experts from Dana Farber, Stanford and Johns Hopkins? And you know better because you have prostate issue? Here's another nice tidbit. Please support your contention and specify what I wrote that was incorrect. from arch Urology In this article we explain findings from the Prostate Cancer Prevention Trial (PCPT) concerning the operating characteristics of PSA for biopsy-detectable prostate cancer, with special emphasis on a subpopulation of men with PSA less than 4 ng/ml, what is often regarded as the "normal" level of PSA in healthy men. The PCPT enrolled 18,882 healthy men 55 years of age or older, with a PSA value less than 3 ng/mL and a normal digital rectal exam (DRE); 9,459 of these men were randomized to the placebo arm and 9,423 to the finasteride arm In this report we summarize the operating characteristics of PSA only for the placebo arm of the PCPT; operating characteristics of PSA on the finasteride arm are more complicated to assess since finasteride approximately halves the PSA value and will be reported only briefly. In our first analysis, we focused on a group of 2,950 men on the placebo arm who had had an end-of-study biopsy and a normal DRE and PSA < 4 ng/mL for all 7 years of the study. For prostate cancer, the standard PSA cut-off of 4 ng/mL has low sensitivity: with this cut-off only 20.5% of the prostate cancer cases test positive-nearly 80% of prostate cancer cases are missed. The specificity at this cut-off is high (93.6%) meaning only 6.2% of men who do not have prostate cancer falsely test positive. Lowering the PSA threshold for screening increases detection of aggressive cancer at an earlier stage, but has the unavoidable tradeoff of increased detection of the biologically irrelevant cancers.
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