Canada's Liberal Party led by Prime Minister Mark Carney defeats Donald Trump

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

26 minutes ago, K D said:

It's on brand for Trump to introduce chaos to make his opponents bend to his will. It's his way of doing things for better or worse. He's sticking with what works for him. Diplomacy is not his strong suit that's for sure

I recognize we won't agree, but civility carried the day.

 

"Diplomacy not being his strong suit" to me would be "We're on the wrong side of the trade deal, and the Canadian leadership has taken advantage of us for far too long" in whatever way DJT would say that.  Or, maybe something like "We're getting screwed, and screw that!".

 

"Diplomacy not being his strong suit" does not include "We're going to absorb your country" or anything close to that.  As a quick, irreverent one-liner, probably not all that presidential but harmless.  Going on about it when it's never going to happen, just gets old.  

 

 

[K D]

1 minute ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

I recognize we won't agree, but civility carried the day.

 

"Diplomacy not being his strong suit" to me would be "We're on the wrong side of the trade deal, and the Canadian leadership has taken advantage of us for far too long" in whatever way DJT would say that.  Or, maybe something like "We're getting screwed, and screw that!".

 

"Diplomacy not being his strong suit" does not include "We're going to absorb your country" or anything close to that.  As a quick, irreverent one-liner, probably not all that presidential but harmless.  Going on about it when it's never going to happen, just gets old.  

 

 

That's how he chooses to conduct business. Some people collaborate well with others and some people are bulldogs that are going to try and push others around with force. I know that in NYC, where he learned his ways, that if you are a lamb you will be eaten alive by the lions. Different way of doing things

 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

3 minutes ago, K D said:

That's how he chooses to conduct business. Some people collaborate well with others and some people are bulldogs that are going to try and push others around with force. I know that in NYC, where he learned his ways, that if you are a lamb you will be eaten alive by the lions. Different way of doing things

Fair enough, but he doesn't represent NYC in this case (and I'd argue that attempting to seize control of the Times Square Hilton brings with it certain challenges and legalities and most people would not support it), and growth in leadership isn't a bad thing.  

[Buddy Hix]

13 hours ago, BillsFanNC said:

Government controlling the means of production you say?

 

But don't you dare call them commies!

 

😂

 

 

There’s an old adage about it being better to keep silent and be thought a fool…

 

I guess communism is now listening to the energy sector to build pipelines…who knew?

 

https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.7487793

[Roundybout]

27 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Again, it’s your contention that  the world is at the point of no return, not mine.   The fact that plantation owners paid for slaves doesn’t change the fact that it was morally, spiritually and ethically repugnant.   You supporting a “pay to pollute” scheme reveals the main problem with the movement—screaming from the mountain top that the end of the world is nigh while living a consumption-based lifestyle that clearly flies in contrast with your message points. 

Pollution happens as a negative externality of any production. How do you stop it? 

[Orlando Buffalo]

1 hour ago, K D said:

It's actually really really hard to move there whereas under Biden you could just walk across our border. I have a friend that was dating a girl in college that lived in Toronto and she moved back after school and he was trying to move there and marry her but it was such a difficult process that he gave up and they broke up. So the Socialists will say it's racist to close our border but they won't let you through theirs, go figure!

I found out how hard on 2018 when my neighbors from Minnesota wanted out of Trump America and were rejected despite having $1M and running their own company

 

[Buddy Hix]

10 minutes ago, K D said:

That's how he chooses to conduct business. Some people collaborate well with others and some people are bulldogs that are going to try and push others around with force. I know that in NYC, where he learned his ways, that if you are a lamb you will be eaten alive by the lions. Different way of doing things

 

Trump isn’t trying to buy another hotel, he’s supposed to be the president of a superpower. There are real consequences, not just declaring bankruptcy again. It’s wild that people think Trump’s way of conducting himself is acceptable, but I suppose a large percentage of his supporters don’t even understand what the word diplomacy means.

[Big Blitz]

3 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

Pollution happens as a negative externality of any production. How do you stop it? 

 

Define pollution.  I’d like to not have toxic waste in our drinking water.  

 

But if they want to tax you per mile bc you drive a gas guzzling 4x4, you go right ahead and tell us you’re good with that.  
 

 

They used the “Clean Water” or “Clean Air” acts as justification for every “negative” externality.  
 

Communism.  

[The Frankish Reich]

12 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

 

I *supposedly* want my ideological equal to win a national election.  
 

To do so, I’ll tell that country during the campaign I’m going to invade it.  It should be the 51st state.  
 

My talk will surely bring people over to my ideological friends’s side.  All while slapping a 25 percent tariff on them.   
 

How do you campaign on taking on your ideological equal to the south with this happening?  This was Trump supposedly helping him?  Lol lol.   
 

 

 

Yep.  You keep telling yourself that Trump wanted him to win.  

Going with the 5D chess theory!

Trump is always right.

Now we know: Cult Member

[K D]

3 minutes ago, Buddy Hix said:

Trump isn’t trying to buy another hotel, he’s supposed to be the president of a superpower. There are real consequences, not just declaring bankruptcy again. It’s wild that people think Trump’s way of conducting himself is acceptable, but I suppose a large percentage of his supporters don’t even understand what the word diplomacy means.

This is what people voted for. Someone who is going to fight the globalists. And Canada decided to vote for someone who will fight that fighter. So let's FIGHT. I like our chances. We are a heavyweight

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

3 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

Pollution happens as a negative externality of any production. How do you stop it? 

I think pollution is addressed through sensible regulation based on current scientific theory, analyzed periodically for relevance as technology changes. 

 

Then again, I don't believe what you do.  If I did, I'd look at the world and begin to eliminate any non-essential industry and the pollution resulting from same.  If I believed as you did, I'd be looking at, say, the NFL, the massive carbon foot print produced by it and the egregious harm to the environment.  While exceedingly popular,  the number of people impacted that do not follow or derive benefit from it dwarves those who do on a global basis.  Charging a few extra buckets per ticket, or assessing tax on the league doesn't change that which we know to be true---it's a huge drain on the environment. 

 

This is why your name went on my list.   The good news for you, or course, is that I have already misplaced the paperwork and it's as if the list never existed. 

8 minutes ago, Orlando Buffalo said:

I found out how hard on 2018 when my neighbors from Minnesota wanted out of Trump America and were rejected despite having $1M and running their own company

 

That makes zero sense.  As hard-working immigrants looking for a better way of life, why couldn't they just cross into Canada via the nearest border crossing, set up shop in a local motel covered by the Canadian government, and just make it happen?  You know, just show up?

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

12 minutes ago, Buddy Hix said:

Trump isn’t trying to buy another hotel, he’s supposed to be the president of a superpower. There are real consequences, not just declaring bankruptcy again. It’s wild that people think Trump’s way of conducting himself is acceptable, but I suppose a large percentage of his supporters don’t even understand what the word diplomacy means.

Sure, you're the only one who really understands things. 

 

As for declaring bankruptcy, geez, given the condition of our federal government, Trump's past experience with the court system probably makes him uniquely qualified to operate in a system where there's massive amount of money flowing in, but always an incessant need for more.  Yet, here is is, trying to reduce waste and fraud and the wasters and fraudsters with their fingers in the pie are saying "Too Much! Too Soon!" and lots of democrat supporters struggle to understand why this makes an awful lot of sense.  

 

 

 

 

[Niagara Bill]

43 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

I recognize we won't agree, but civility carried the day.

 

"Diplomacy not being his strong suit" to me would be "We're on the wrong side of the trade deal, and the Canadian leadership has taken advantage of us for far too long" in whatever way DJT would say that.  Or, maybe something like "We're getting screwed, and screw that!".

 

"Diplomacy not being his strong suit" does not include "We're going to absorb your country" or anything close to that.  As a quick, irreverent one-liner, probably not all that presidential but harmless.  Going on about it when it's never going to happen, just gets old.  

 

 

So you regularly screw with your best friend, back out on deals you agreed to, allow you family and staff to bad mouth your friend, grandstand like Kristi Nomi, threaten to destroy your friends lively hood. And do you tell lies to the world and your family about your friend.

 

Diplomacy is certainly not his strong, nor is settling any disagreement. I see no progress that is benefiting the US citizens, and of course Amazon is now evil because their invoicing doesn't hide info from customers. 

 

 

 

 

[Big Blitz]

 

3 hours ago, Roundybout said:

What do you think of Trump’s meltdown over Amazon showing the cost of tariffs online?

He’s not smart enough to do that 

 

 

 

[Niagara Bill]

24 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Sure, you're the only one who really understands things. 

 

As for declaring bankruptcy, geez, given the condition of our federal government, Trump's past experience with the court system probably makes him uniquely qualified to operate in a system where there's massive amount of money flowing in, but always an incessant need for more.  Yet, here is is, trying to reduce waste and fraud and the wasters and fraudsters with their fingers in the pie are saying "Too Much! Too Soon!" and lots of democrat supporters struggle to understand why this makes an awful lot of sense.  

 

 

 

 

What does fixing federal spending, Doge, cutting contributions to NATO, WHO, etc have to do with trying to destroy the US and the world's economy.

Every government in the world has spent themselves into problems, but it is now the US intent to take everyone down so they can isolated. You don't have to destroy others to close your borders. 

It is easy to not subsidize Canada for 200b per year as he lies about. Stop buying. Stop buying oil, stop buying wood, stop buying power, stop buying Gas. Why this whole bs with tariffs. Per person, Canada buys $9600, US buys $2500.

AS I watch lettuce, strawberries, tomatoes,  rot on grocery shelfs now filled with product from Peru, Chile, Canada, France,, as furniture from North Carolina sits unsold, as auto sales drop, as airlines tickets sales drop,  as fertilizer from Scott's sits piled unsold, I can assure you that the 9600 is dropping, without tariffs.

[LDD]

52 minutes ago, K D said:

This is what people voted for. Someone who is going to fight the globalists. And Canada decided to vote for someone who will fight that fighter. So let's FIGHT. I like our chances. We are a heavyweight

 

Agree with the first part.  I would contend that people didn't really understand what that meant...for better or worse.  The second part is like the heavyweight picking a fight with a welterweight who's their cousin...of course the heavy will win but what's the f-in point?

[The Frankish Reich]

6 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

 

 

So Bezos backed down? Yeah, I guess you could say that.

But it was more like a shot across the bow. Play the tariff game, we'll play too ...

Is it a "hostile political action" when Amazon doesn't display state sales tax inclusive prices, but rather adds one a separate amount before it processes my credit card charge?

Republicans used to support full disclosure of taxes based on the notion that if you really knew what you're paying in taxes you'd support candidates who want to reduce them. Those people used to be called "Republicans."

[K D]

9 minutes ago, LDD said:

 

Agree with the first part.  I would contend that people didn't really understand what that meant...for better or worse.  The second part is like the heavyweight picking a fight with a welterweight who's their cousin...of course the heavy will win but what's the f-in point?

They aren't paying their fair share. They get free protection and are stealing jobs. Need to rebalance

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

19 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said:

So you regularly screw with your best friend, back out on deals you agreed to, allow you family and staff to bad mouth your friend, grandstand like Kristi Nomi, threaten to destroy your friends lively hood. And do you tell lies to the world and your family about your friend.

 

Diplomacy is certainly not his strong, nor is settling any disagreement. I see no progress that is benefiting the US citizens, and of course Amazon is now evil because their invoicing doesn't hide info from customers. 

I don't do any of that, Bill, but I'm not an American (or Canadian) politician.   I did fib about writing down Roundy's name on an old envelope, it was actually on the back of an old napkin with a water ring on it.

 

Call your new boy up and tell him to stand down on the rhetoric about taking on "the Americans".  That sounds quite ominous indeed. 

 

As for Amazon, they were evil before because, you know, billionaires and fair share. You gotta keep up, even with the language barrier between yours and mine. 

14 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said:

What does fixing federal spending, Doge, cutting contributions to NATO, WHO, etc have to do with trying to destroy the US and the world's economy.

 

I reject the premise that he is trying to 'destroy the US and the world's economy'.  

 

That is all. 

[LDD]

49 minutes ago, K D said:

They aren't paying their fair share. They get free protection and are stealing jobs. Need to rebalance

 

Fair share for what, their protection?  That's what the big kid on the block is supposed to do, right?  We were the heavyweight but that won't last long if we don't have any influence.  Unless, we just want to go around throwing punches but MAGA seems opposed to that too.  I'm not sure what the end game is here.  I'm not cool with abdicating our leadership/protection role and replacing it with what?  Nothing??  What are we going to get out of this deal with Canada besides pissed off Canadians?