Elijah Moore Visiting the Bills today (Update: Signed!)

[ROCBillsBeliever]

23 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

It says his 2025 cap hit is $2.5M.  If the incentives are easily attainable, they'd be "likely-to-be-earned (LTBE) and make it a $5M cap hit for the year.

 

I may be wrong on this, but I was under the impression that "Unlikely to be attained" just means that the levels of those metrics in question (i.e. Number of TD's, receptions, yards, etc...) are higher than the player's previous season. 

 

For example, Moore has one TD last year. If the incentive was 2 TD's, then it would be considered "Unlikely to be Attained", based on the previous season (even though with Allen tossing the ball, on Brady's offense, one would imagine that they ARE, in fact, likely to be attained).

 

I believe that's how it works. Only incentive metrics that are at or below the previous season's would count against the cap.

[MiracleAtRich1393]

13 minutes ago, ROCBillsBeliever said:

 

I may be wrong on this, but I was under the impression that "Unlikely to be attained" just means that the levels of those metrics in question (i.e. Number of TD's, receptions, yards, etc...) are higher than the player's previous season. 

 

For example, Moore has one TD last year. If the incentive was 2 TD's, then it would be considered "Unlikely to be Attained", based on the previous season (even though with Allen tossing the ball, on Brady's offense, one would imagine that they ARE, in fact, likely to be attained).

 

I believe that's how it works. Only incentive metrics that are at or below the previous season's would count against the cap.

yep, the unlikely to be attained count against the next year's cap though if they are achieved

[Doc]

1 hour ago, ROCBillsBeliever said:

I may be wrong on this, but I was under the impression that "Unlikely to be attained" just means that the levels of those metrics in question (i.e. Number of TD's, receptions, yards, etc...) are higher than the player's previous season. 

 

For example, Moore has one TD last year. If the incentive was 2 TD's, then it would be considered "Unlikely to be Attained", based on the previous season (even though with Allen tossing the ball, on Brady's offense, one would imagine that they ARE, in fact, likely to be attained).

 

I believe that's how it works. Only incentive metrics that are at or below the previous season's would count against the cap.

 

Incentives are typically negotiated between the player and team.  Here is a good example of it:

 

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Similar to per game roster bonuses, if a LTBE incentive is not earned, it goes back to the team as a cap credit in the subsequent season, while if an incentive categorized as NLTBE is earned, it comes out of the cap in the following year.

One of the best ways to illustrate this is to look at Seattle quarterback Geno Smith, and some of the performance incentives he had in his 2022 contract. Those incentives were:

4,000 passing yards ($1M)

Playoffs ($1M)

Playing time ($1M)

Pro Bowl and 20 TDs ($500k)

Now, for Geno’s statlines for 2021 and 2022:

2021: 702 passing yards, no playoffs, 20.48% of snaps played, no Pro Bowl & 5 passing TDs

2022: 4,282 passing yards, playoffs, 100% of snaps played, Pro Bowl & 30 passing TDs

So, what this means for Geno’s 2022 contract was that all four of the incentives were considered NLTBE, and thus were not a part of the cap hit for Smith during the 2022 season. However, since he achieved all four of the incentives, the $3.5M will be charged to the 2023 cap of the Seahawks.

Now, moving into next season, if Smith were to sign a contract that included the same incentives, those incentives would count against the 2023 salary cap. However, if he failed to reach those same performance thresholds during the season, Seattle would see a credit back to the cap in the amount of the incentives for 2024.

So, for those who have asked, that’s how incentives are calculated for cap purposes.

 

 

[PrimeTime101]

10 hours ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

It's a great deal.

of course it is....  lol  

he may not see half those incentives. 

And if he does.. then it was an even better deal yea?  lol!

Edited 25 minutes ago by PrimeTime101