The Fascist EU

[Big Blitz]

This is the way

 

 

[Big Blitz]

 

[LDD]

13 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

 Who are these journalists?  Is that a picture of one of them?  Do you have a link to a verified account or news outlet beyond @amuse??  I'm trying to find out who @amuse is?  Do you know?

[Big Blitz]

15 minutes ago, LDD said:

 

 Who are these journalists?  Is that a picture of one of them?  Do you have a link to a verified account or news outlet beyond @amuse??  I'm trying to find out who @amuse is?  Do you know?

That account has never steered me wrong:

 

 

EU imposes sanctions on two pro-Russian German bloggers

 

EU countries on Tuesday imposed sanctions on two pro-Russian German bloggers for the first time, as part of a new package of punitive measures against Russia over its war in Ukraine.

 

Russian-based bloggers Alina Lipp and Thomas Röper are accused of systematically spreading misinformation about the war in Ukraine and thereby supporting Russia, according to the order.

 

The EU sanctions include travel restrictions, the freezing of assets and a ban on the provision of funds or other economic resources.

 

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/eu-imposes-sanctions-two-pro-165438983.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAD3yK3HxfDkItmsr71tdKrG9rhN-7LUAHfuTC479MIHdRTcn1PNBWy6JJsek1UdQDkEDwQn-f8GbmxGZlyNy9avyaWeuOkdUvvfzgu7NYKUpQ3BhnTotgBANwDAzroaaISnaayHxtGvVnWZrmbwVZVDobuhic0vqeCDPc55Otkad

 

 

 

 

https://www.public.news/p/eu-travel-ban-on-three-journalists

 

And so it is deeply troubling that the European Union has banned three journalists, two German and one Turkish, from entering the EU, and frozen their bank accounts, because, allegedly, they have been “spreading pro-Russian propaganda”, “undermining or threatening the territorial integrity, sovereignty and independence of Ukraine”, and “destabilising” EU countries through their reporting. It did so through its 17th sanctions package on Russia, approved on May 20th.

 

 

 

 

Edited yesterday at 12:35 PM by Big Blitz

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24 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/eu-imposes-sanctions-two-pro-165438983.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAD3yK3HxfDkItmsr71tdKrG9rhN-7LUAHfuTC479MIHdRTcn1PNBWy6JJsek1UdQDkEDwQn-f8GbmxGZlyNy9avyaWeuOkdUvvfzgu7NYKUpQ3BhnTotgBANwDAzroaaISnaayHxtGvVnWZrmbwVZVDobuhic0vqeCDPc55Otkad

 

 

 

 

https://www.public.news/p/eu-travel-ban-on-three-journalists

 

And so it is deeply troubling that the European Union has banned three journalists, two German and one Turkish, from entering the EU, and frozen their bank accounts, because, allegedly, they have been “spreading pro-Russian propaganda”, “undermining or threatening the territorial integrity, sovereignty and independence of Ukraine”, and “destabilising” EU countries through their reporting. It did so through its 17th sanctions package on Russia, approved on May 20th.

 

 

 

 

 

Based on the posted articles it appears that these "journalists" might be on the Russian payroll, especially since two live in Russia and one "regularly appears on...Russia military channel Zvedva" and would only return to Germany "on a tank".  Doesn't sound like Leslie Stahl.  

[Big Blitz]

3 minutes ago, LDD said:

 

Based on the posted articles it appears that these "journalists" might be on the Russian payroll, especially since two live in Russia and one "regularly appears on...Russia military channel Zvedva" and would only return to Germany "on a tank".  Doesn't sound like Leslie Stahl.  

 

All true.  But they aren’t at war. 

 

The long term target isn’t a small number of bloggers or journalists.  
 

It’s Twitter.  Or any social media.  

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12 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

All true.  But they aren’t at war. 

 

The long term target isn’t a small number of bloggers or journalists.  
 

It’s Twitter.  Or any social media.  

 

Not at shooting war yet, but yes, the West is still in a constant cold game of shadow war with Russia.  I don't pretend to know what the EU end game is, but if your belief is that Russian propaganda is not being spread widely on social media platforms and that it isn't aimed at the slow decay of western power then we are in total disagreement.  Your initial post from an apparently "anonymous" X source gives the appearance of an attack by the EU on the free press.  Subsequent information reveals that these at least two of the three "journalists" literally live in Russia and are a part of the Russian propaganda machine.  Furthermore, the German nationals will be allowed to return to Germany but not to transit freely.  This would be a seemingly wise choice by the EU as these "journalists" seem to have close ties to the Russian military.   

[Westside]

14 minutes ago, LDD said:

 

Not at shooting war yet, but yes, the West is still in a constant cold game of shadow war with Russia.  I don't pretend to know what the EU end game is, but if your belief is that Russian propaganda is not being spread widely on social media platforms and that it isn't aimed at the slow decay of western power then we are in total disagreement.  Your initial post from an apparently "anonymous" X source gives the appearance of an attack by the EU on the free press.  Subsequent information reveals that these at least two of the three "journalists" literally live in Russia and are a part of the Russian propaganda machine.  Furthermore, the German nationals will be allowed to return to Germany but not to transit freely.  This would be a seemingly wise choice by the EU as these "journalists" seem to have close ties to the Russian military.   

Let’s do American journalists next!!! Spreading false propaganda should be grounds for prosecution. 

[LDD]

14 minutes ago, Westside said:

Let’s do American journalists next!!! Spreading false propaganda should be grounds for prosecution. 

 

They can be sued for libel and slander for sure.  

[Westside]

1 hour ago, LDD said:

 

They can be sued for libel and slander for sure.  

They should be arrested for treason! 

[LDD]

38 minutes ago, Westside said:

They should be arrested for treason! 

 

Who?  Like the people that ask TACO questions? Who is "they"?

[Big Blitz]

2 hours ago, LDD said:

 

Not at shooting war yet, but yes, the West is still in a constant cold game of shadow war with Russia.  I don't pretend to know what the EU end game is, but if your belief is that Russian propaganda is not being spread widely on social media platforms and that it isn't aimed at the slow decay of western power then we are in total disagreement.  Your initial post from an apparently "anonymous" X source gives the appearance of an attack by the EU on the free press.  Subsequent information reveals that these at least two of the three "journalists" literally live in Russia and are a part of the Russian propaganda machine.  Furthermore, the German nationals will be allowed to return to Germany but not to transit freely.  This would be a seemingly wise choice by the EU as these "journalists" seem to have close ties to the Russian military.   

 

 

I don’t know where that ends when you accuse without evidence that those bloggers work directly for the Kremlin so you ban them from life in the EU.  
 

Because if they don’t then this ends with where we’ve been saying it does.  The EU does not get the benefit of the doubt.  

 

 

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7 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

I don’t know where that ends when you accuse without evidence that those bloggers work directly for the Kremlin so you ban them from life in the EU.  
 

Because if they don’t then this ends with where we’ve been saying it does.  The EU does not get the benefit of the doubt.  

 

 

 

Aren't you big on sovereign borders?  The EU clearly has its reasons, neither you or I are privy to its intelligence briefing on these people.   We currently have all sorts of entry standards and some of those area clearly a direct reflection of the politics of the executive branch of our government.  Are you saying that we should have the right of denial but other EU countries should not?  

Edited 20 hours ago by LDD

[Pokebball]

2 hours ago, LDD said:

 

Not at shooting war yet, but yes, the West is still in a constant cold game of shadow war with Russia.  I don't pretend to know what the EU end game is, but if your belief is that Russian propaganda is not being spread widely on social media platforms and that it isn't aimed at the slow decay of western power then we are in total disagreement.  Your initial post from an apparently "anonymous" X source gives the appearance of an attack by the EU on the free press.  Subsequent information reveals that these at least two of the three "journalists" literally live in Russia and are a part of the Russian propaganda machine.  Furthermore, the German nationals will be allowed to return to Germany but not to transit freely.  This would be a seemingly wise choice by the EU as these "journalists" seem to have close ties to the Russian military.   

free speech is free speech

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39 minutes ago, LDD said:

 

Aren't you big on sovereign borders?  The EU clearly has its reasons.  We currently have all sorts of entry standards and some of those area clearly a direct reflection of the politics of the executive branch of our government.  Are you saying that we should have the right of denial but other EU countries should not?  

 

32 minutes ago, Pokebball said:

free speech is free speech

 

Correct and the standard for free speech is that you're not charged with a crime and thrown in jail because your speech is being held against you.  Freedom of speech does not mean "freedom from consequences".  It is well within the sovereign rights of a country or a business owner to act upon what is being said.  

[Big Blitz]

28 minutes ago, LDD said:

 

Aren't you big on sovereign borders?  The EU clearly has its reasons, neither you or I are privy to its intelligence briefing on these people.   We currently have all sorts of entry standards and some of those area clearly a direct reflection of the politics of the executive branch of our government.  Are you saying that we should have the right of denial but other EU countries should not?  

 

 

Can we apply all this to any and all criticisms of Israel?  

[Taro T]

15 minutes ago, LDD said:

 

 

Correct and the standard for free speech is that you're not charged with a crime and thrown in jail because your speech is being held against you.  Freedom of speech does not mean "freedom from consequences".  It is well within the sovereign rights of a country or a business owner to act upon what is being said.  

 

So, being kept out of the country you are a citizen (2 of the journalists are apparently German citiizens) of because you've exercised what should be a universal freedom of speech, is a perfectly acceptable "consequence" of speaking freely?  And if citizens aren't allowed to return to their country then there really shouldn't be any problem with exiling citizens for speaking freely in a manner that particular place's leaders don't agree with, right?

 

And if, as a citizen, your bank account can be frozen because you've exercised your right to free speech, why stop just there?  Why not have their property and possessions confiscated as well?

 

You honestly don't see any problems with this?

[nedboy7]

This place is beyond stupid.  It is surreal how dumb MAGA Is.  And proud of it. 

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21 minutes ago, Taro T said:

 

So, being kept out of the country you are a citizen (2 of the journalists are apparently German citiizens) of because you've exercised what should be a universal freedom of speech, is a perfectly acceptable "consequence" of speaking freely?  And if citizens aren't allowed to return to their country then there really shouldn't be any problem with exiling citizens for speaking freely in a manner that particular place's leaders don't agree with, right?

 

And if, as a citizen, your bank account can be frozen because you've exercised your right to free speech, why stop just there?  Why not have their property and possessions confiscated as well?

 

You honestly don't see any problems with this?

 

Well, if you read the article linked from Yahoo it clearly states that Germany will allow them back into the country because they are citizens but they apparently will not have free passage to other EU nations.  So, the first part of what you said is null and void.  There's no mention of the third.  

 

As far as the rest of what you said I guess I don't have nearly enough info. to make any clear conclusions since I don't know whether or not these people have committed any crimes or exactly what the intelligence briefings say about these people.   I don't generally just take a random X accounts "word for it" that these people are victims.   There might be more to this story or there might not be.  I will admit, freezing a bank account is a serious sanction.  We do it all the time in the country to bad actors who are perpetrating crimes or are under investigation in this country. We even do it to our own citizens when there is a pending case and a judge is convinced that there are grounds to do it.  That might be the case here.   Apparently, the EU has the ability to freeze assets and funds based on some legal body. I'm not sure if Germany can freeze the assets of its own citizens in their country, but, it looks like the EU can do it although it's tough to find a detailed news piece about this.   

 

 

56 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

Can we apply all this to any and all criticisms of Israel?  

 

...and now you want to talk about Israel...okey dokey

[AlBUNDY4TDS]

3 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:

This place is beyond stupid.  It is surreal how dumb MAGA Is.  And proud of it. 

And here you are posting to reinforce how angry and dumb you are. Good for u!