Trump voter remorse.

[Homelander]

4 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

In alignment with the separation of powers, the office of the House speaker is accountable for providing security for the Capitol, not the President and the Executive branch. This has been noted and discussed on PPP already. So you're question is irrelevant. And do you remember who the Speaker was at the time of J6? The person in charge that rejected the offer to deploy the National Guard.

 

The Speaker of the House does not have direct control over Capitol security or the National Guard. The Capitol Police are overseen by the Capitol Police Board, which includes the House and Senate Sergeants at Arms and the Architect of the Capitol not the Speaker.

 

The National Guard can only be deployed to the Capitol after a request from the Capitol Police Board and approval from the Department of Defense - which is part of the Executive Branch.

 

So yes, the President and the Executive Branch do have a role in how and when the Guard is deployed.

 

Which brings us to Christopher Miller, who was appointed Acting Secretary of Defense by Trump just days after the election. Miller was a yes man who placed restrictions that required high-level approval for the DC National Guard to respond with certain equipment or engage with crowds.

 

On January 6, this translated into a delayed response - despite urgent calls for help. Miller later testified that he wanted to avoid a military “overreaction” due to the optics, but many see those decisions as part of why the Capitol was left vulnerable during the attack.

 

If you don't like it - take it up with - 2 U.S. Code § 1901a and Article II, Section 2.

 

Additionally, the Insurrection Act of 1807 provides statutory authority for the President to deploy military forces domestically to suppress insurrections and enforce federal authority.

[Homelander]

2 hours ago, Doc said:

 

Sorry but "he made me do it" has never been a legitimate excuse.  It's even less applicable when "he" never said to do "it." \

 

If people interpreted what he said the wrong way, that's wholly on them.  And I've said repeatedly that those who committed crimes that day were idiots who deserved to be punished.  Those who entered through open doors, milled around peacefully and then left...do not.

 

That’s a strawman. No one’s saying “he made me do it” is a legal defense (yet, several individuals who stormed the Capitol explicitly said in court that they believed they were acting on Donald Trump's instructions).  This is about accountability for incitement and leadership, not absolving individual guilt.

 

Trump spent months spreading lies about a stolen election, told supporters January 6 was their last chance to act, and then directed them to march to the Capitol.

 

He knew some in the crowd were armed - he said so himself. According to testimony, he demanded the Secret Service “get rid of the mags” because “they’re not here to hurt me.” He didn’t care they were armed he needed them to rile up the crowd on his behalf. And while his allies were on stage calling for “trial by combat,” his base took the message literally. The Capitol was stormed within the hour.

 

Pretending Trump was just misunderstood isn’t a defense. It’s denial.

 

 

[4th&long]

'Peak narcissism': Veterans blast Trump for 'hijacking' military holiday for his birthday

 

https://flip.it/sXJO1-

[Doc]

4 hours ago, Homelander said:

That’s a strawman. No one’s saying “he made me do it” is a legal defense (yet, several individuals who stormed the Capitol explicitly said in court that they believed they were acting on Donald Trump's instructions).  This is about accountability for incitement and leadership, not absolving individual guilt.

 

Trump spent months spreading lies about a stolen election, told supporters January 6 was their last chance to act, and then directed them to march to the Capitol.

 

He knew some in the crowd were armed - he said so himself. According to testimony, he demanded the Secret Service “get rid of the mags” because “they’re not here to hurt me.” He didn’t care they were armed he needed them to rile up the crowd on his behalf. And while his allies were on stage calling for “trial by combat,” his base took the message literally. The Capitol was stormed within the hour.

 

Pretending Trump was just misunderstood isn’t a defense. It’s denial.

 

I never specified legal defense (even though it isn't).  I said it's not a legitimate excuse period. 

 

And people tried to blame Trump for their bad actions, to get out of being punished?  You don't say. 

 

And no one brandished any weapons, much less discharged them, at the Capitol.  Why even bring that up?

[Homelander]

49 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

I never specified legal defense (even though it isn't).  I said it's not a legitimate excuse period. 

 

And people tried to blame Trump for their bad actions, to get out of being punished?  You don't say. 

 

And no one brandished any weapons, much less discharged them, at the Capitol.  Why even bring that up?

 

This exchange started with you saying Trump didn’t lead a mob which totally ignores both his words and the timeline. He told a charged crowd - many of whom he knew were armed - to march to the Capitol and “fight like hell.” That’s not passive observation; that’s incitement.

 

As for weapons, that claim is flat-out false. Multiple people were arrested with weapons ranging from stun guns and knives to firearms and bear spray. Capitol Police officers testified under oath about being attacked with flagpoles, metal pipes, and chemical sprays. One officer even described it as a “medieval battle.”

 

We can debate motivations, but the facts are clear: there was a violent, armed assault on the Capitol and Trump lit the match.

 

[Doc]

9 hours ago, Homelander said:

This exchange started with you saying Trump didn’t lead a mob which totally ignores both his words and the timeline. He told a charged crowd - many of whom he knew were armed - to march to the Capitol and “fight like hell.” That’s not passive observation; that’s incitement.

 

As for weapons, that claim is flat-out false. Multiple people were arrested with weapons ranging from stun guns and knives to firearms and bear spray. Capitol Police officers testified under oath about being attacked with flagpoles, metal pipes, and chemical sprays. One officer even described it as a “medieval battle.”

 

We can debate motivations, but the facts are clear: there was a violent, armed assault on the Capitol and Trump lit the match.

 

I didn't ignore his words.  In fact I used them to show you that he told people one thing (to be peaceful and patriotic)...and some ignored him and did the opposite.  "Fight like hell" isn't code for "break into the Capitol," without which this is little more than a "mostly peaceful protest" outside the Capitol. 

 

There were no firearms used to enter the Capitol, much less once inside.  And once inside it was clear no one had a plan.  And they all ended up leaving on their own.

 

It was an embarrassment for sure.  And those who committed criminal acts deserved to be punished.  There is a lot of blame for what happened that day.  But at no point was the US Government in danger of falling. 

Edited Saturday at 01:25 PM by Doc

[All_Pro_Bills]

14 hours ago, Homelander said:

 

The Speaker of the House does not have direct control over Capitol security or the National Guard. The Capitol Police are overseen by the Capitol Police Board, which includes the House and Senate Sergeants at Arms and the Architect of the Capitol not the Speaker.

 

The National Guard can only be deployed to the Capitol after a request from the Capitol Police Board and approval from the Department of Defense - which is part of the Executive Branch.

 

So yes, the President and the Executive Branch do have a role in how and when the Guard is deployed.

 

Which brings us to Christopher Miller, who was appointed Acting Secretary of Defense by Trump just days after the election. Miller was a yes man who placed restrictions that required high-level approval for the DC National Guard to respond with certain equipment or engage with crowds.

 

On January 6, this translated into a delayed response - despite urgent calls for help. Miller later testified that he wanted to avoid a military “overreaction” due to the optics, but many see those decisions as part of why the Capitol was left vulnerable during the attack.

 

If you don't like it - take it up with - 2 U.S. Code § 1901a and Article II, Section 2.

 

Additionally, the Insurrection Act of 1807 provides statutory authority for the President to deploy military forces domestically to suppress insurrections and enforce federal authority.

The Sargent at Arms reports into the Speaker. No board is present and convened at the Capitol to debate and vote on necessary immediate operational securiy measures.

The optics excuse is just that, an excuse because they were assembled about six blocks away. And the optics suddenly didn't matter when the call to deploy was finally made hours after the protest was over.

Why avoid the fact Nancy's office dropped the ball? And if it wasn't her then who on site made the call to not deploy? We still don't know as they refuse to say. While the original J6 committee avoided asking questions a new inquiry likely will not. Lies live in the darkness and the truth will once again see the light of day.

Edited Saturday at 12:11 PM by All_Pro_Bills

[BillsFanNC]

38 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

The Sargent at Arms reports into the Speaker. No board is present and convened at the Capitol to debate and vote on necessary immediate operational securiy measures.

The optics excuse is just that, an excuse because they were assembled about six blocks away. And the optics suddenly didn't matter when the call to deploy was finally made hours after the protest was over.

Why avoid the fact Nancy's office dropped the ball? And if it wasn't her then who on site made the call to not deploy? We still don't know as they refuse to say. While the original J6 committee avoided asking questions a new inquiry likely will not. Lies live in the darkness and the truth will once again see the light of day.

 

It ignores all the facts including the confirmed and undisputed fact that Trump authorized the call up of up to 10k national guard days before J6.

 

It also ignores the fact the Trump cannot unilaterally mobilize the NG. His pre approval required the Capitol Sargent at arms or DC mayor to enter a lawful request to make it happen. We also have documentary proof in writing that both the Sargent at arms and DC mayor Boweser declined to make the necessary request to satisfy the lawful mobilization of the NG.

 

This is the end of the story.

 

It's just yet another example of HomeBillsLand***** living under a green sky.

 

It's also another reason why everyone should ignore it.

[Doc]

They wanted something to happen.  I don't think they wanted/expected people to break into the Capitol, but they wanted unrest outside and/or a false flag narrative.  Hence under-manning the CP, throwing flash bangs, probably many agitators in the crowd and sending Harris for no reason at all to the DNC HQ where "bombs" were somehow missed by the FBI.

[Homelander]

2 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

The Sargent at Arms reports into the Speaker. No board is present and convened at the Capitol to debate and vote on necessary immediate operational securiy measures.

The optics excuse is just that, an excuse because they were assembled about six blocks away. And the optics suddenly didn't matter when the call to deploy was finally made hours after the protest was over.

Why avoid the fact Nancy's office dropped the ball? And if it wasn't her then who on site made the call to not deploy? We still don't know as they refuse to say. While the original J6 committee avoided asking questions a new inquiry likely will not. Lies live in the darkness and the truth will once again see the light of day.

 

Once again, the claim that Speaker Nancy Pelosi was responsible for the lack of National Guard deployment on January 6 is not supported by the US Constitution or operational protocols.

 

Under Article I, Section 5, the House governs its internal proceedings, but does not control security operations or military deployments. The Capitol Police Board, not the Speaker, oversees Capitol security decisions, and while the House Sergeant at Arms reports to the Speaker, operational command lies elsewhere.

 

The DC National Guard falls under the authority of the President, per Article II, Section 2, and deployment requires approval from the Department of Defense. Capitol Police Chief Steven Sund requested National Guard assistance early on, but delays came from the Pentagon, as confirmed by then-DC Guard Commander Gen. William Walker, who testified that he was ready to act but lacked authorization.

 

The "optics" excuse originated from Trump defense officials, not congressional leadership. No evidence has shown that Pelosi’s office denied or delayed aid; rather, the documented delays were the result of executive branch decisions, not legislative.

 

1 hour ago, BillsFanNC said:

It ignores all the facts including the confirmed and undisputed fact that Trump authorized the call up of up to 10k national guard days before J6.

 

It also ignores the fact the Trump cannot unilaterally mobilize the NG. His pre approval required the Capitol Sargent at arms or DC mayor to enter a lawful request to make it happen. We also have documentary proof in writing that both the Sargent at arms and DC mayor Boweser declined to make the necessary request to satisfy the lawful mobilization of the NG.

 

This is the end of the story.

 

It's just yet another example of HomeBillsLand***** living under a green sky.

 

It's also another reason why everyone should ignore it.

 

Ah yes, the infamous “Trump authorized 10,000 troops” claim - still no order, no document, no directive. Just Mark Meadows mumbling it after the fact like it’s gospel.

 

Saying “I told someone they could” isn’t a lawful deployment - it's a shrug with PR.

 

And let’s clear this up: Capitol Police Chief Sund requested help. The Pentagon delayed the Guard for over three hours. Gen. William Walker had troops ready and waiting - authorization never came until it was too late. That’s on Trump, not Pelosi or Bowser.

 

You can mock all you want, but facts still outrank your tears. 

 

20 minutes ago, Doc said:

They wanted something to happen.  I don't think they wanted/expected people to break into the Capitol, but they wanted unrest outside and/or a false flag narrative.  Hence under-manning the CP, throwing flash bangs, probably many agitators in the crowd and sending Harris for no reason at all to the DNC HQ where "bombs" were somehow missed by the FBI.

 

Hysterical and pathetic as usual, Doc. The “Dems wanted it to happen” fantasy - because nothing says brilliant strategy like inviting a violent mob into your own workplace during a constitutional proceeding you've already won.

 

Capitol Police were under-manned because Trump’s Pentagon delayed backup. Flash bangs? Used after the breach. “Agitators”? Every investigation - including GOP-led ones - found the violence came from Trump supporters, not secret Antifa stunt doubles.

 

Kamala at the DNC? She was evacuated because of the bomb, not sent there for plot twist drama. And the “FBI missed it on purpose” bit? That’s not analysis it’s lazy conspiracy.

 

Democrats didn’t want chaos. They wanted to certify an election. Trump wanted to stop it. Big difference.

 

 

 

[Doc]

1 hour ago, Homelander said:

Hysterical and pathetic as usual, Doc. The “Dems wanted it to happen” fantasy - because nothing says brilliant strategy like inviting a violent mob into your own workplace during a constitutional proceeding you've already won.

 

Capitol Police were under-manned because Trump’s Pentagon delayed backup. Flash bangs? Used after the breach. “Agitators”? Every investigation - including GOP-led ones - found the violence came from Trump supporters, not secret Antifa stunt doubles.

 

Kamala at the DNC? She was evacuated because of the bomb, not sent there for plot twist drama. And the “FBI missed it on purpose” bit? That’s not analysis it’s lazy conspiracy.

 

Democrats didn’t want chaos. They wanted to certify an election. Trump wanted to stop it. Big difference.

 

No the Capitol Police were under-manned because Pelosi and Bowser wanted it that way.  Or were incredibly incompetent at their jobs since all the intelligence reports for days prior were saying there was a high likelihood of unrest.  Take your pick. 

 

And Harris was evacuated because of the bomb?   LOL!  No.  For some reason which we still haven't heard the answer to, instead of being at the Capitol to see the certification of her own historic election as the first female and of-color VP...she was taken to the DNC in the morning, well before the riot started.  After which the bombs, which were planted the night before, were found.  Again more incompetence. 

[Homelander]

3 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

No the Capitol Police were under-manned because Pelosi and Bowser wanted it that way.  Or were incredibly incompetent at their jobs since all the intelligence reports for days prior were saying there was a high likelihood of unrest.  Take your pick. 

 

And Harris was evacuated because of the bomb?   LOL!  No.  For some reason which we still haven't heard the answer to, instead of being at the Capitol to see the certification of her own historic election as the first female and of-color VP...she was taken to the DNC in the morning, well before the riot started.  After which the bombs, which were planted the night before, were found.  Again more incompetence. 

 

This Pelosi/Bowser blame game is straight-up fiction for people desperate to deflect from the fact that Trump’s own Pentagon delayed the National Guard while his supporters stormed the Capitol.

 

Pelosi doesn't control Capitol Police operations - that’s the Capitol Police Board. Bowser requested Guard troops before Jan 6. And yes, Kamala Harris was evacuated from the DNC because of a pipe bomb planted the night before. That’s documented.

 

Your timeline is broken because you’re trying to make facts fit a lie. You’re not exposing a conspiracy - you’re just regurgitating one.

 

And at this point, you're not defending the truth, you're defending the mob. 

[Doc]

1 minute ago, Homelander said:

This Pelosi/Bowser blame game is straight-up fiction for people desperate to deflect from the fact that Trump’s own Pentagon delayed the National Guard while his supporters stormed the Capitol.

 

Pelosi doesn't control Capitol Police operations - that’s the Capitol Police Board. Bowser requested Guard troops before Jan 6. And yes, Kamala Harris was evacuated from the DNC because of a pipe bomb planted the night before. That’s documented.

 

Your timeline is broken because you’re trying to make facts fit a lie. You’re not exposing a conspiracy - you’re just regurgitating one.

 

And at this point, you're not defending the truth, you're defending the mob. 

 

The National Guard and more CP should have already been there.  Ex-Capitol police chief Steven Sund stated that he requested their presence days in advance and was rebuffed. 

 

As for Harris, yes when they found the bombs at the DNC that were already there from the night before, she was evacuated.  Again why was she there at the DNC HQ to begin with and why didn't they discover the bombs before taking her there?

 

[Homelander]

3 hours ago, Doc said:

 

The National Guard and more CP should have already been there.  Ex-Capitol police chief Steven Sund stated that he requested their presence days in advance and was rebuffed. 

 

As for Harris, yes when they found the bombs at the DNC that were already there from the night before, she was evacuated.  Again why was she there at the DNC HQ to begin with and why didn't they discover the bombs before taking her there?

 

 

You’re grasping at conspiracy theories like they’re life rafts. Sund’s request being denied is exactly why January 6 was such a failure in preparedness. As for Harris, she was there for meetings, like politicians often are. The fact that the pipe bombs weren’t found sooner is a security lapse, not a secret plot. Try applying Occam’s Razor instead of Alex Jones logic

[Doc]

8 hours ago, Homelander said:

You’re grasping at conspiracy theories like they’re life rafts. Sund’s request being denied is exactly why January 6 was such a failure in preparedness. As for Harris, she was there for meetings, like politicians often are. The fact that the pipe bombs weren’t found sooner is a security lapse, not a secret plot. Try applying Occam’s Razor instead of Alex Jones logic

 

That's a pretty big ***** "security lapse," don't you think?  Other things that feed the conspiracy is they had the bombers cell phone data but it was conveniently "corrupted," bomb sniffing dogs never detected the bombs, and, again, what was she doing at the DNC that morning when she had no business being there at all and why did they not reveal where she was for a year or so afterwards?

 

The security lapses on J6 were multi-factorial and had little to do with Trump.  I have no doubt that Pelosi and Bowser refused requests for more LEO's at least because of optics and that's why you see her taking blame for it on video.  And again, "he made me do it" isn't a valid argument.

 

And don't make me laugh about conspiracy theories.  Russian collusion called...

[BillsFanNC]

 

[Homelander]

10 hours ago, Doc said:

That's a pretty big ***** "security lapse," don't you think?  Other things that feed the conspiracy is they had the bombers cell phone data but it was conveniently "corrupted," bomb sniffing dogs never detected the bombs, and, again, what was she doing at the DNC that morning when she had no business being there at all and why did they not reveal where she was for a year or so afterwards?

 

The security lapses on J6 were multi-factorial and had little to do with Trump.  I have no doubt that Pelosi and Bowser refused requests for more LEO's at least because of optics and that's why you see her taking blame for it on video.  And again, "he made me do it" isn't a valid argument.

 

And don't make me laugh about conspiracy theories.  Russian collusion called...

 

Absolutely, there were serious lapses in security on J6. But the idea that these failures somehow absolve those who stormed the Capitol is backwards.

 

Multiple investigations, including bipartisan Senate reports, confirmed that intelligence failures, poor coordination, and underestimation of the threat all played roles. But none of that justifies the violence or the attempt to obstruct the peaceful transfer of power.

 

Neither the Speaker of the House nor the DC Mayor controls Capitol Police deployments directly. That falls under the Capitol Police Board and federal law enforcement coordination.  You, nor anyone else other than those deflecting from what happened that day, has provided credible evidence Pelosi "refused" security assistance. The narrative that she was somehow responsible is a political talking point, not a conclusion drawn from evidence or the law.

 

You’re right - "he made me do it" isn’t a legal defense and I never said it was. But Trump wasn’t being judged by that standard. The issue is whether he incited or encouraged actions through repeated lies about the election being stolen, pressuring officials, and summoning supporters to the Capitol with inflammatory rhetoric. That happened.

 

Last, the Mueller investigation found extensive contacts between Trump’s campaign and Russian operatives, and multiple Trump aides were convicted or pleaded guilty. While it didn’t establish a criminal conspiracy, the notion that the whole thing was a hoax is simply not supported by the full report. The Senate Intelligence Committee (led by Republicans) confirmed much of the same.

 

We’re going in circles and won’t change each other’s minds, but facts aren’t optional, and they don’t yield to feelings or anyone’s personal rewrite of the Constitution.

[muppy]

On 2/20/2025 at 6:24 AM, Trump_is_Mentally_fit said:

They will say, "Fake news" only lazy people lost their jobs! 

I had an occasion recently where I wrote regarding possible eventual cuts to medicare

 

It went along the lines of he will blather to his poor faithful maga followers how Medicare coverage for preexisting  conditions?  Poor health is for LOSERS.

 

Tightened your belts a bit and learn how to better manage your SSA checks. for the benefit of our COUNTRY you beautiful poor people

 

MAGA Hold up your FIST

 

@-@

 

 

AND he lied and said he would never cut medicare

 

LIAR

[B-Man]

14 minutes ago, muppy said:

 

 

 

Cutting waste and FRAUD is not "cutting" Medicaid.

 

But you know that.

 

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[muppy]

Just now, B-Man said:

 

 

Cutting waste and FRAUD is not "cutting" Medicaid.

 

But you know that.

 

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MEDICARE

 

I never said medicaid

but you knew that LOL

 

 

 

touche