It's still entirely Josh Allen

[DJB]

 

[GunnerBill]

2 hours ago, DJB said:

 

 

Josh still holds it longer than almost any other QB would get away with. But he gets away with it because he is elite at getting away from the pressure that inevitably comes when you are holding it that long and he makes big plays down the field in scramble situations better than anyone since peak Packers Aaron Rodgers around 2012-2016.

 

My worry a bit still with this offense is that a high percentage of our explosive pass plays last year came from Josh creating outside of the design of the scheme. He had more quick button easy throws to keep the offense on schedule last year than any season since 2020 - with that and the effective run game Josh had to do much LESS than in 2021, 2022 and 2023 to just make the offense function efficiently. But he did not have a ton of explosives that worked by design. Some of that falls on Brady to scheme them up better but he was calling them and I still think a LOT of it comes from the lack of vertical separation guys. Hopefully Josh Palmer makes a difference there. Because as much fun as Josh extending plays then hitting a Knox or a Ty Johnson on a big gain down the field is.... I'm not sure it's a sustainable way to live for your explosive pass plays. 

Edited 4 hours ago by GunnerBill

[FireChans]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

Because as much fun as Josh extending plays then hitting a Knox or a Taron Johnson on a big gain down the field is.... I'm not sure it's a sustainable way to live for your explosive pass plays

I’m more concerned that TJ has switched to offense, personally.

 

In all seriousness, you are 100% correct. This offense’s only “explosives” come from Allen’s extending or Cook. 

[GunnerBill]

9 minutes ago, FireChans said:

I’m more concerned that TJ has switched to offense, personally.

 

In all seriousness, you are 100% correct. This offense’s only “explosives” come from Allen’s extending or Cook. 

 

Ha. Corrected. Thanks! TY Johnson. Not TARON. 

 

And yep, it's why you can't get me to "oh they wouldn't miss James Cook, Ray Davis is good." Cook was top 6 in the NFL in explosive runs last year (classed as runs of 20 yards or more) and of that top 6 only Josh Jacobs had a worse yards before contact rate so it isn't, as some want to claim, just the Bills oline blowing people off the ball for him and opening huge holes on every run. It's that Cook has ELITE vision and change of direction that turns what might be 3 or 4 yards for a lot of guys into 25 yards in a flash. It's also why if is a way to structure a deal that pays him more in 2025 and 2026 without committing to him for the longer term I'd be fine with it. I want this offense to get back to making its explosive plays in the passing game. But until it is in a position to do that giving up Cook who is picking up some slack by making them in the run game feels a risky proposition to me. 

[SoonerBillsFan]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Josh still holds it longer than almost any other QB would get away with. But he gets away with it because he is elite at getting away from the pressure that inevitably comes when you are holding it that long and he makes big plays down the field in scramble situations better than anyone since peak Packers Aaron Rodgers around 2012-2016.

 

My worry a bit still with this offense is that a high percentage of our explosive pass plays last year came from Josh creating outside of the design of the scheme. He had more quick button easy throws to keep the offense on schedule last year than any season since 2020 - with that and the effective run game Josh had to do much LESS than in 2021, 2022 and 2023 to just make the offense function efficiently. But he did not have a ton of explosives that worked by design. Some of that falls on Brady to scheme them up better but he was calling them and I still think a LOT of it comes from the lack of vertical separation guys. Hopefully Josh Palmer makes a difference there. Because as much fun as Josh extending plays then hitting a Knox or a Ty Johnson on a big gain down the field is.... I'm not sure it's a sustainable way to live for your explosive pass plays. 

He still needs to learn to hit his back foot and throw.  Once he learns this, and throwing with a little more anticipation, he will be  unstoppable.

[GunnerBill]

Just now, SoonerBillsFan said:

He still needs to learn to hit his back foot and throw.  Once he learns this, and throwing with a little more anticipation, he will be  unstoppable.

 

He did do it more last year, and you never want to totally take the scrambles away because they do produce so many big plays. But yea getting that balance right is always the sweet spot everyone is looking for.