/dev/null Posted June 18, 2005 Share Posted June 18, 2005 http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050617/ap_on_...us_un_reform_19 UN = RJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemur King Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050617/ap_on_...us_un_reform_19 UN = RJ 361653[/snapback] UN reform is less likely than Republicans cutting spending. But still, it's an important, if flawed, organization- anyone who doesn't think so is loco. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typical TBD Guy Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 But still, it's an important, if flawed, organization- anyone who doesn't think so is loco. 361803[/snapback] Entonces soy "loco." The UN is only useful as a forum for Western European nations to feel important. In matters of actually resolving international conflicts, it is utterly devoid of relevance without the monetary and military resources of the US. Trust me, I'm right. And you're wrong. There are a lot of people in Africa, Central America, and Southeast Asia who would agree with my point of view. That is, the ones still alive... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted June 19, 2005 Author Share Posted June 19, 2005 There are a lot of people in Africa, Central America, and Southeast Asia who would agree with my point of view. That is, the ones still alive... 361910[/snapback] there are also many in Africa, Central America, and Southeast Asia who see the UN as a good forum to denounce us and try to make us feel guilty for our military power and economic prosperity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of BiB Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 there are also many in Africa, Central America, and Southeast Asia who see the UN as a good forum to denounce us and try to make us feel guilty for our military power and economic prosperity 361912[/snapback] Yup, that's pretty well it. Time to quit playing "Clinton Games". I'm all for it. If anyone payed any attention, it became a bit of a different UN during those eight years than it was before. It was bad, but got a lot worse. The only useful purpose it serves us now are basically under the table networks on the side for State. And, they don't get much done anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EC-Bills Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 Yup, that's pretty well it. Time to quit playing "Clinton Games". I'm all for it. If anyone payed any attention, it became a bit of a different UN during those eight years than it was before. It was bad, but got a lot worse. The only useful purpose it serves us now are basically under the table networks on the side for State. And, they don't get much done anyway. 361919[/snapback] Sounds frighteningly to our government... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EC-Bills Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 I liken the UN to a union. I agree with the original idea in principle, but the current implementations are an abomination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 Does the US still withold dues to get its way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 I liken the UN annd US to a football game between kids. The UN is the main group of kids, the US is the rich kid who provides the football. Don't play by the rich kid's rule? He pouts and goes home, WITH THE FOOTBALL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark VI Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 Does the US still withold dues to get its way? 362121[/snapback] It's for the children.. http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2.../6/151901.shtml After the Oil for Food scandal and then this, I'd take my ball and go home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted June 20, 2005 Author Share Posted June 20, 2005 I liken the UN annd US to a football game between kids. The UN is the main group of kids, the US is the rich kid who provides the football. Don't play by the rich kid's rule? He pouts and goes home, WITH THE FOOTBALL. 362122[/snapback] Murphy's Golden Rule... He who has the gold makes the rules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 Murphy's Golden Rule...He who has the gold makes the rules 362169[/snapback] Totally agree. Yep, when it goes the other way, some have a real hard time excepting it... Especially on this board. They whine like kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 Totally agree. Yep, when it goes the other way, some have a real hard time excepting it... Especially on this board. They whine like kids. 362172[/snapback] You are against the war in Iraq, correct? Can I take the above to mean that you will no longer complain about it because those for it are in power at this time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRC Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 I liken the UN annd US to a football game between kids. The UN is the main group of kids, the US is the rich kid who provides the football. Don't play by the rich kid's rule? He pouts and goes home, WITH THE FOOTBALL. 362122[/snapback] How do you suggest that the U.S. pressure the UN to reform, if not by witholding dues? It will never happen if they are left to do it themselves. The Dems do not want Bolton, someone who would go there to kick some azz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 You are against the war in Iraq, correct? Can I take the above to mean that you will no longer complain about it because those for it are in power at this time? 362177[/snapback] Yes, that is correct sir. Do you really here me complain about it? In fact, I disagree with it. That doesn't preclude me from saying I wouldn't give my all to help out... In fact I have said. Right now, I have said I am not in position to voultarily help out my employer. If I am mandated to go on TDY, I would go with all my best intentions, give my best and embrace it. The war might even be a way that I finish my government career? I don't know what the cards hold? I was against starting the mess, now that we are there... I would do nothing to undermine it... In fact help if I could. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 How do you suggest that the U.S. pressure the UN to reform, if not by witholding dues? It will never happen if they are left to do it themselves. The Dems do not want Bolton, someone who would go there to kick some azz. 362189[/snapback] You pose a good question. It is like the voucher system and schools... What happens to the public school districts in the underadvataged areas when the money is pulled out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRC Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 You pose a good question. It is like the voucher system and schools... What happens to the public school districts in the underadvataged areas when the money is pulled out? 362191[/snapback] ...but, if the money is not pulled out, where is the incentive to change the system for the better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 How do you suggest that the U.S. pressure the UN to reform, if not by witholding dues? It will never happen if they are left to do it themselves. The Dems do not want Bolton, someone who would go there to kick some azz. 362189[/snapback] We should just as them real politely. That's likely to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 ...but, if the money is not pulled out, where is the incentive to change the system for the better? 362201[/snapback] EII can't face the fact that large organizations with lots of money are inherently corrupt. He lives life by the "Rainbow Connection" mantra. "The lovers, the dreamers, and me..." La da da dee, da da da... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRC Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 We should just as them real politely. That's likely to work. 362207[/snapback] Well, we can wait decades for them to pass countless resolutions stating that they might possibly do something in the future, but they do not want to commit to anything at this time for fear of upsetting someone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EC-Bills Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 ...but, if the money is not pulled out, where is the incentive to change the system for the better? 362201[/snapback] I agree you can talk until you are blue in the face and nothing will get done. You hit someone in the wallet and they start paying attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of BiB Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 The UN either decides to fit themselves into our National Security goals and objectives or becomes irrelevant. Right now, they are very close to being irrelevant. Essentially, from what I can see, the body as a whole is usually working cross purposes to us. Why should we support them? The UN is not concerned with where the US is going to be at 10 years from now, except to try to make sure that wherever it is, it isn't good for the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRC Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 The UN either decides to fit themselves into our National Security goals and objectives or becomes irrelevant. Right now, they are very close to being irrelevant. Essentially, from what I can see, the body as a whole is usually working cross purposes to us. Why should we support them? The UN is not concerned with where the US is going to be at 10 years from now, except to try to make sure that wherever it is, it isn't good for the US. 362348[/snapback] I thought the U.S. was supposed to be subservient to the UN? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of BiB Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 I thought the U.S. was supposed to be subservient to the UN? 362352[/snapback] New sheriff in town. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050617/ap_on_...us_un_reform_19 UN = RJ 361653[/snapback] I thought Clinton was supposed to be taking over the UN.....he'd have to do better than Annan.....Heck, I think I could!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reuben Gant Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 I thought the U.S. was supposed to be subservient to the UN? 362352[/snapback] I thought we created the UN to be weighted toward the US. After all, nothing really gets through the UN without our say so and the vote from the Security Council precludes independent UN action. I think many Americans fear the UN will turn into a one world government or something like that, which is non-sense in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRC Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 I thought we created the UN to be weighted toward the US. After all, nothing really gets through the UN without our say so and the vote from the Security Council precludes independent UN action. I think many Americans fear the UN will turn into a one world government or something like that, which is non-sense in my opinion. 362410[/snapback] It is weighted towards the U.S. in the fact that we pay more dues than any other member (22% I believe). Other than that, any member of the Security Council can defeat any action. Take North Korea for example. The UN will never impose sanctions on NK because China would veto it. Of course, the UN has proven to be too gutless to address the NK situation, but if by some miracle they grew a spine and addressed it, China would shoot it down. It is weighted towards consensus on the Security Council. As far as the World Government thingy, I have to disagree with your opinion. They have been trying to push through resolutions and force countries to abide by these resolutions. This ranges anywhere from nuclear proliferation to gun laws, etc. It is trying to set itself up as a world government. They just have a little trouble with the implimentation part. Countries basically do what they want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin in Va Beach Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 It is weighted towards the U.S. in the fact that we pay more dues than any other member (22% I believe). Other than that, any member of the Security Council can defeat any action. Take North Korea for example. The UN will never impose sanctions on NK because China would veto it. Of course, the UN has proven to be too gutless to address the NK situation, but if by some miracle they grew a spine and addressed it, China would shoot it down. It is weighted towards consensus on the Security Council. As far as the World Government thingy, I have to disagree with your opinion. They have been trying to push through resolutions and force countries to abide by these resolutions. This ranges anywhere from nuclear proliferation to gun laws, etc. It is trying to set itself up as a world government. They just have a little trouble with the implimentation part. Countries basically do what they want. 362427[/snapback] Don't forget their continued attempts at a 'global tax'. Now that the European Union has just about gone teets up, Socialist Euros who still long to stick it to the US may adopt the UN as their vehicle... Decision time for US-UN Relations At the recent G8 summit of Finance Ministers, France and Germany proposed a global tax on airline tickets. Hans Eichel, Germany's finance minister stated, "No one in the G8 [including the U.S.] has said anything against it. It's now on the agenda" [for the G8 heads of state who meet in Scotland in July]. In an effort to block the U.N. tax possibility, Congressman Ron Paul successfully added an amendment to an appropriation bill that prohibits any appropriation from being used to "...develop, publicize, implement or impose any U.N. tax or fee on any U.S. citizen." With the European Union’s constitution faltering, the U.N. is the only hope France, Germany and Russia have to constrain the United States. They will push to get this taxing authority for the U.N. If the U.N. ever gets an independent source of revenue, there will be no way to stop the institution from becoming the world government its supporters want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of BiB Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 I thought we created the UN to be weighted toward the US. After all, nothing really gets through the UN without our say so and the vote from the Security Council precludes independent UN action. I think many Americans fear the UN will turn into a one world government or something like that, which is non-sense in my opinion. 362410[/snapback] Of course it's nonsense, but it's become an albatros. And, the security council doesn't do much for security, as long as veto power remains as it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin in Va Beach Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 Of course it's nonsense, but it's become an albatros. And, the security council doesn't do much for security, as long as veto power remains as it is. 362443[/snapback] Libya is in charge of the Human Rights Commission. That's all anyone really needs to know right there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 Don't forget their continued attempts at a 'global tax'. Now that the European Union has just about gone teets up, Socialist Euros who still long to stick it to the US may adopt the UN as their vehicle... Decision time for US-UN Relations 362437[/snapback] Where oh where do you find sites like that? Good read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin in Va Beach Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 Where oh where do you find sites like that? Good read. 362450[/snapback] If you liked that one, check this out (warning, it is Fox ). Seems there is more than one father-son scandal connection other than Kofi and Kojo going on at the UN... U.N. Family Ties Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 If you liked that one, check this out (warning, it is Fox ). Seems there is more than one father-son scandal connection other than Kofi and Kojo going on at the UN... U.N. Family Ties 362500[/snapback] And the shame of it all is we can't lock those crooks up in Gitmo. I despise the UN. They steal our tax dollars and do NOTHING but impede our national interests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted June 20, 2005 Author Share Posted June 20, 2005 I thought Clinton was supposed to be taking over the UN.....he'd have to do better than Annan.....Heck, I think I could!! 362406[/snapback] i think i should be Emperor, err i mean Supreme Chanceller, err i mean Secretary General of the UN only problem is i'd have to come up with 65 things to do before i could... Execute Order 66 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EC-Bills Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 Here's a thought that just entered my head: "This UN needs an enema!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of BiB Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 i think i should be Emperor, err i mean Supreme Chanceller, err i mean Secretary General of the UN only problem is i'd have to come up with 65 things to do before i could... Execute Order 66 362676[/snapback] You are WAY behind the power curve. You should have jumped on the IBP (Independant [anti] Bunny Party) when you had the chance. Too late, worthless minion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted June 20, 2005 Author Share Posted June 20, 2005 You are WAY behind the power curve. You should have jumped on the IBP (Independant [anti] Bunny Party) when you had the chance. Too late, worthless minion. 362708[/snapback] Do you really think your feeble Bunny Party is any match for the power of the Dark Side! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of BiB Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 Do you really think your feeble Bunny Party is any match for the power of the Dark Side! 362711[/snapback] Uh...right...like a bunny can handle a light sabre without any opposable thumbs. shoving it up your ass and waving it doesn't have much effect, overall. about the only option they have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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