Orlando Buffalo Posted August 4 Posted August 4 1 hour ago, Niagara Bill said: Nice comments except 51 is real. You have turned the US from the most admired to the 2nd most despised country. imho trump is serious. This has become a country issue not a trump issue. My family like many have not bought any Ameruca products since Feb, not food, cars, appliances, soap, toothpaste, crackers, lawn fertilizer, BBQ. Wine, booze,.After 17 years a Bills season ticket holder, not 1 visit to US. I do my part.I hope to see my American friends again one day, but if 51 happens like I think is the intention, they won't be friends. Of course you think Trump is serious, because you have TDS. Your boycott is your only recourse because you have incompetent leaders who don't care about you. I feel sorry for you but the fact that you rank Russia, Turkmenistan, Afghanistan and a whole huge list of countries over the US tells me you have lost all version of sanity.
CoudyBills Posted August 4 Posted August 4 10 hours ago, Niagara Bill said: Hmmmm, but strangley my predictions about 51 and trump continue to develop. Seems to me that if Putin said the things about Ukraine 4 years ago...oh, right, he did, everyone in the world would be concerned...America is about to be come a predator nation, not the defender of freedom. Congratulations! Is there a reminder function on this board? 1
Niagara Bill Posted August 4 Posted August 4 10 hours ago, Orlando Buffalo said: Of course you think Trump is serious, because you have TDS. Your boycott is your only recourse because you have incompetent leaders who don't care about you. I feel sorry for you but the fact that you rank Russia, Turkmenistan, Afghanistan and a whole huge list of countries over the US tells me you have lost all version of sanity. Hahaha quite humorous, hardly consider Turkmenistan and Afghanistan as worthy countries for consideration, although neither would be considered predatory. Speaking of poor leaders, surely it is possible to address issues like balancing a budget, reducing debt, migration controls, crime and illegals, without alienating the rest of the world, without threatening your best friends, without calling people names, insulting everyone, without electing a career criminal, a con man. This has become the new normal? This is insanity! Imagine a country believing this con man would stop the Russia/Ukraine war in one day, would get 90 deals in 90 days, would never touch Medicare, would fix water pressure in their showers. Holy Crapola, you bought it. I get the hatred for woke, most of it is terrible, migrant criminals gangs needed to be dealt with, drugs need to stop, but you have been kidnapped by a out of control, power hungry, thin skinned, misguided patriot.
Wolfgang Posted August 4 Posted August 4 30 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said: Hahaha quite humorous, hardly consider Turkmenistan and Afghanistan as worthy countries for consideration, although neither would be considered predatory. Speaking of poor leaders, surely it is possible to address issues like balancing a budget, reducing debt, migration controls, crime and illegals, without alienating the rest of the world, without threatening your best friends, without calling people names, insulting everyone, without electing a career criminal, a con man. This has become the new normal? This is insanity! Imagine a country believing this con man would stop the Russia/Ukraine war in one day, would get 90 deals in 90 days, would never touch Medicare, would fix water pressure in their showers. Holy Crapola, you bought it. I get the hatred for woke, most of it is terrible, migrant criminals gangs needed to be dealt with, drugs need to stop, but you have been kidnapped by a out of control, power hungry, thin skinned, misguided patriot. What exactly is it that you want the USA to do?
JDHillFan Posted August 4 Posted August 4 32 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said: Hahaha quite humorous, hardly consider Turkmenistan and Afghanistan as worthy countries for consideration, although neither would be considered predatory. Speaking of poor leaders, surely it is possible to address issues like balancing a budget, reducing debt, migration controls, crime and illegals, without alienating the rest of the world, without threatening your best friends, without calling people names, insulting everyone, without electing a career criminal, a con man. This has become the new normal? This is insanity! Imagine a country believing this con man would stop the Russia/Ukraine war in one day, would get 90 deals in 90 days, would never touch Medicare, would fix water pressure in their showers. Holy Crapola, you bought it. I get the hatred for woke, most of it is terrible, migrant criminals gangs needed to be dealt with, drugs need to stop, but you have been kidnapped by a out of control, power hungry, thin skinned, misguided patriot.
Niagara Bill Posted August 4 Posted August 4 43 minutes ago, Wolfgang said: What exactly is it that you want the USA to do? Stay the fxxx out of Canada, quit threatening us and allie countries, treat a friend like a friend , stop lying, (nobody has been taking advantage of you), stop making up poop, be honest, find out for real if your president is a pedo, be the bastion of truth, justice, freedom and right that you once were. Your electors elected and decrepit old fool in 2020 and replaced him with a lying, name calling, power mad, vindictive old man. Fix it before you destroy the world's beacon of freedom. 52 minutes ago, JDHillFan said: Did you get permission to declare that from the pardoned Buffalo headed anarchist. 🤔
Wolfgang Posted August 4 Posted August 4 7 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said: Stay the fxxx out of Canada, quit threatening us and allie countries, treat a friend like a friend , stop lying, (nobody has been taking advantage of you), stop making up poop, be honest, find out for real if your president is a pedo, be the bastion of truth, justice, freedom and right that you once were. Your electors elected and decrepit old fool in 2020 and replaced him with a lying, name calling, power mad, vindictive old man. Fix it before you destroy the world's beacon of freedom. Did you get permission to declare that from the pardoned Buffalo headed anarchist. 🤔 Canada is a vassal state... No one is being threatened... In geo-politics, no one has allies or friends... The USA has provided security for finance and trade routes since the end of WW2... We did that for free because we built up an international bulwark against the USSR (Cold War)... Get with current events... Russia is a paper tiger now... They still cannot secure a single trade route on their own... It is ROI time... The USA must be the center of that accumulation... We no longer deploy our Navy to protect global trade for free... It is as simple as that... This is far beyond Trump... This is a question of evolving military doctrine... The world has been spoiled and many people got wealthy as a result... The irony is that if the USSR was still alive and well, there would still be a reason to maintain the status quo... But there isn't... As for Epstein... That operation goes far beyond pedophilia... You will learn the truth of that soon enough... In time... Canada, and many other nations, lack the self-awareness to understand that the world as you have known it is over... America owes the world NOTHING...
Niagara Bill Posted August 4 Posted August 4 2 hours ago, Wolfgang said: Canada is a vassal state... No one is being threatened... In geo-politics, no one has allies or friends... The USA has provided security for finance and trade routes since the end of WW2... We did that for free because we built up an international bulwark against the USSR (Cold War)... Get with current events... Russia is a paper tiger now... They still cannot secure a single trade route on their own... It is ROI time... The USA must be the center of that accumulation... We no longer deploy our Navy to protect global trade for free... It is as simple as that... This is far beyond Trump... This is a question of evolving military doctrine... The world has been spoiled and many people got wealthy as a result... The irony is that if the USSR was still alive and well, there would still be a reason to maintain the status quo... But there isn't... As for Epstein... That operation goes far beyond pedophilia... You will learn the truth of that soon enough... In time... Canada, and many other nations, lack the self-awareness to understand that the world as you have known it is over... America owes the world NOTHING... And the world owes America nothing but the US effort you be hated and despised is working.. if you decide to not have your navy protect shipping, ok, if you want to change military doctrine, ok, but if it involves 51st, it concerns us. And while many got wealthy, there were a few Americans who got wealthy too. You can tell allies your policy is changing, you can reduce your financial costs, you can closed all or any of the 700 bases you once wanted, but does it need to be threatening, insulting, to friends. You can defend your borders, kick out those not wanted, return the statue of Liberty, shoot drug sellers, and elect a leader who grabs them by the pxxxx. Inside your borders, do as you wish, cut Medicare, while the rest if the world moves on. You cannot control Russia, but acting like them is something totally different. Trump cannot even make it his mind which side he supports, then he should just step aside. If you want 15% tariffs across the board then do it, stfu and just fo it. Be honest, straight and not TACO. Yes there are huge international implications with GMaxwell now aside from pedos. Espionage, weapon sales, money laundering by CIA etc etc. Non of which excuses pedos.
Wolfgang Posted August 4 Posted August 4 2 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said: And the world owes America nothing but the US effort you be hated and despised is working.. if you decide to not have your navy protect shipping, ok, if you want to change military doctrine, ok, but if it involves 51st, it concerns us. And while many got wealthy, there were a few Americans who got wealthy too. You can tell allies your policy is changing, you can reduce your financial costs, you can closed all or any of the 700 bases you once wanted, but does it need to be threatening, insulting, to friends. You can defend your borders, kick out those not wanted, return the statue of Liberty, shoot drug sellers, and elect a leader who grabs them by the pxxxx. Inside your borders, do as you wish, cut Medicare, while the rest if the world moves on. You cannot control Russia, but acting like them is something totally different. Trump cannot even make it his mind which side he supports, then he should just step aside. If you want 15% tariffs across the board then do it, stfu and just fo it. Be honest, straight and not TACO. Yes there are huge international implications with GMaxwell now aside from pedos. Espionage, weapon sales, money laundering by CIA etc etc. Non of which excuses pedos. You are too emotional about the situation...
Niagara Bill Posted August 4 Posted August 4 14 minutes ago, Wolfgang said: You are too emotional about the situation... Too emotional that the most powerful nation on earth has a leader, who controls every part of the federal government, lies constantly, and has threatened takeover of Canada, Greenland and Panama Canal. If you don't believe his threats, then you must accept he is a liar.
Orlando Buffalo Posted August 4 Posted August 4 20 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said: And the world owes America nothing but the US effort you be hated and despised is working.. if you decide to not have your navy protect shipping, ok, if you want to change military doctrine, ok, but if it involves 51st, it concerns us. And while many got wealthy, there were a few Americans who got wealthy too. You can tell allies your policy is changing, you can reduce your financial costs, you can closed all or any of the 700 bases you once wanted, but does it need to be threatening, insulting, to friends. You can defend your borders, kick out those not wanted, return the statue of Liberty, shoot drug sellers, and elect a leader who grabs them by the pxxxx. Inside your borders, do as you wish, cut Medicare, while the rest if the world moves on. You cannot control Russia, but acting like them is something totally different. Trump cannot even make it his mind which side he supports, then he should just step aside. If you want 15% tariffs across the board then do it, stfu and just fo it. Be honest, straight and not TACO. Yes there are huge international implications with GMaxwell now aside from pedos. Espionage, weapon sales, money laundering by CIA etc etc. Non of which excuses pedos. Your initial comment says it all, "the world owes America nothing" but on the other hand you feel we owe the world everything. can you tell me a time that Canada made a decision for the benefit of the US? We have been the world benefactor for 50 years and it has caused us to be financially much less secure than we should be. 3 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said: Too emotional that the most powerful nation on earth has a leader, who controls every part of the federal government, lies constantly, and has threatened takeover of Canada, Greenland and Panama Canal. If you don't believe his threats, then you must accept he is a liar. He never threatened to take over Canada, he offered to Annex it which is different, he offered to buy Greenland, and the Panama Canal was given with certain qualifying terms which the Panamanians we're not upholding. None of them are lies.
Roundybout Posted August 4 Posted August 4 5 minutes ago, Orlando Buffalo said: He never threatened to take over Canada, he offered to Annex it which is different, he offered to buy Greenland, and the Panama Canal was given with certain qualifying terms which the Panamanians we're not upholding. None of them are lies. Are you f-ing serious lmao
Orlando Buffalo Posted August 4 Posted August 4 12 minutes ago, Roundybout said: Are you f-ing serious lmao taking over insinuates without consent, annexing would mean that the group whp joined the US wanted to join. To act like they are the same thing is absurd.
Wolfgang Posted August 4 Posted August 4 25 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said: Too emotional that the most powerful nation on earth has a leader, who controls every part of the federal government, lies constantly, and has threatened takeover of Canada, Greenland and Panama Canal. If you don't believe his threats, then you must accept he is a liar. These are simple negotiating tactics... Trump does not control every part of the federal government... No POTUS ever has... There are always factions and alignments that serve other agendas... Canadians, if they are afraid of a takeover, need to respond in kind if they actually believe such a thing... They need to arm themselves and create militias... Integrate your veterans into that and take a physical stand... The USA has bled to preserve international trade... Will you do the same to defend yourselves? If not, you will be bought out and run by the USA... Your own government will sell you out when push comes to shove... Canada's only leverage for a sweetheart deal was a strong USSR during the Cold War... A weak Russia means we don't need to play so nice with the rest of the world... It's ironic that Canadians need a strong Putin led Russia in order to maintain their international market value...
Niagara Bill Posted August 4 Posted August 4 1 minute ago, Wolfgang said: These are simple negotiating tactics... Trump does not control every part of the federal government... No POTUS ever has... There are always factions and alignments that serve other agendas... Canadians, if they are afraid of a takeover, need to respond in kind if they actually believe such a thing... They need to arm themselves and create militias... Integrate your veterans into that and take a physical stand... The USA has bled to preserve international trade... Will you do the same to defend yourselves? If not, you will be bought out and run by the USA... Your own government will sell you out when push comes to shove... Canada's only leverage for a sweetheart deal was a strong USSR during the Cold War... A weak Russia means we don't need to play so nice with the rest of the world... It's ironic that Canadians need a strong Putin led Russia in order to maintain their international market value... No need for a sweet heart deal. So you think Canada should create militias to stop a threat from the most powerful nation on earth, who once was the bastion of civility, friendly and respectful. Your statements appear to say that if trump decides to takeover Canada, if he decides to takeover Greenland that is ok with you, that you voted for this aggression against countries not threatening the US, who have and would fully cooperate with the US. You don't want to be the world's policeman anymore and put your military in germs way, yet a physical confrontation with Canada would be OK. The exact definition of Russia. This is exactly why I keep sounding the warning.
Niagara Bill Posted August 4 Posted August 4 41 minutes ago, Orlando Buffalo said: Your initial comment says it all, "the world owes America nothing" but on the other hand you feel we owe the world everything. can you tell me a time that Canada made a decision for the benefit of the US? We have been the world benefactor for 50 years and it has caused us to be financially much less secure than we should be. He never threatened to take over Canada, he offered to Annex it which is different, he offered to buy Greenland, and the Panama Canal was given with certain qualifying terms which the Panamanians we're not upholding. None of them are lies. He did threaten Canada and also Greenland. He had and has access to Greenland and actually has a treaty since the 40s to have bases. We were in WWII before you, we fought with you on Dday, we helped in Vietnam, Korea. We have helped to fight forestfires, we were involved at 9 11, we have free trade, sold oil at below world prices, provide electricity, arrested Chinese officials at trumps request, saved your people in Iran embassy, kept peacekeeping troops in Germany and Berlin at your request, share intelligence, built canals, Norad, support many many diplomatic efforts, allowed US companies to invest in Canada, purchased planes, boats buses, trucks from US companies, your largest trading partner in the world, greater than England, France Japan and Germany combined. We buy more of your products than anyone in the world. For decades we bought more than you bought from us. Think of that, 40m people buying more than 360m people.
Wolfgang Posted August 4 Posted August 4 14 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said: No need for a sweet heart deal. So you think Canada should create militias to stop a threat from the most powerful nation on earth, who once was the bastion of civility, friendly and respectful. Your statements appear to say that if trump decides to takeover Canada, if he decides to takeover Greenland that is ok with you, that you voted for this aggression against countries not threatening the US, who have and would fully cooperate with the US. You don't want to be the world's policeman anymore and put your military in germs way, yet a physical confrontation with Canada would be OK. The exact definition of Russia. This is exactly why I keep sounding the warning. Nothing you said is rational... You did admit however that you have zero interest in defending your country... You do however want American youth defending the trade routes to support your lifestyle... You HAD a sweetheart deal... Now a different deal more beneficial to US interests is coming...
Niagara Bill Posted August 4 Posted August 4 1 hour ago, Wolfgang said: Nothing you said is rational... You did admit however that you have zero interest in defending your country... You do however want American youth defending the trade routes to support your lifestyle... You HAD a sweetheart deal... Now a different deal more beneficial to US interests is coming... Wow, not sure how you got that, but it os clear you support imperialism. Sounds a great deal like Russian logic. If you think militias would defend 3500 miles of border against invasion you are as nutty as your leader. I said if you choose not to defend trade routes, so be it, dont care. Stop being the world's leader and beacon, your choice. We didn't have any sweet heart deal, we have a mutual agreement signed by Donald Trump himself. What the US will get, is isolation. We don't need a trade deal, it would be mutually beneficial like it has been for 100 years, but not necessary. Live in your gated community, which you think keeps you safe, hate your neighbour, build the fences higher. Separate from the rest of the world, just do it. Nobody gives a flying fxxx. If you think the outcome of all this tariff stuff is a great deal for America, that your citizens will be paying the silent tax is ok, enjoy.
All_Pro_Bills Posted August 4 Posted August 4 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said: Wow, not sure how you got that, but it os clear you support imperialism. Sounds a great deal like Russian logic. If you think militias would defend 3500 miles of border against invasion you are as nutty as your leader. I said if you choose not to defend trade routes, so be it, dont care. Stop being the world's leader and beacon, your choice. We didn't have any sweet heart deal, we have a mutual agreement signed by Donald Trump himself. What the US will get, is isolation. We don't need a trade deal, it would be mutually beneficial like it has been for 100 years, but not necessary. Live in your gated community, which you think keeps you safe, hate your neighbour, build the fences higher. Separate from the rest of the world, just do it. Nobody gives a flying fxxx. If you think the outcome of all this tariff stuff is a great deal for America, that your citizens will be paying the silent tax is ok, enjoy. At this point I see most of Trump's pronouncements and threats as a lot of wind. And if I was in Canada I'd be more worried about China. Through stealth and what they call "elite capture" they've managed to infiltrate institutions, universities, and cultural organizations. Vancouver is more or less a satellite of the CCP. Thank their money laundering operation in British Columbia for high property prices. Triads operate freely out of Toronto. US intelligence and law enforcement has connected with Provincial and Canadian Federal law enforcement but not much has happened. I understand there's some crazy criminal wiretapping law where the government has to inform the crooks that their conversations are being monitored. Is that true? its sounds to ridiculous to be so. But I should not lecture. China has done a similar job here in the States paying off and inviting elites to play along with them for cash and perks while all the morons and simpletons are fixated on Russia. A classic misdirection ploy. We waste resources while participating in wild goose chases like this Ukraine democracy nonsense and they're razor sharp focused on a clear set of objectives and actions. I've got to admire their resolve while fearing their potential success. And please get those wild fires under control. The smoke is impacting an otherwise fine Summer day here. Edited August 4 by All_Pro_Bills 1
Niagara Bill Posted August 4 Posted August 4 6 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: At this point I see most of Trump's pronouncements and threats as a lot of wind. And if I was in Canada I'd be more worried about China. Through stealth and what they call "elite capture" they've managed to infiltrate institutions, universities, and cultural organizations. Vancouver is more or less a satellite of the CCP. Thank their money laundering operation in British Columbia for high property prices. Triads operate freely out of Toronto. US intelligence and law enforcement has connected with Provincial and Canadian Federal law enforcement but not much has happened. I understand there's some crazy criminal wiretapping law where the government has to inform the crooks that their conversations are being monitored. Is that true? its sounds to ridiculous to be so. But I should not lecture. China has done a similar job here in the States paying off and inviting elites to play along with them for cash and perks while all the morons and simpletons are fixated on Russia. A classic misdirection ploy. We waste resources while participating in wild goose chases like this Ukraine democracy nonsense and they're razor sharp focused on a clear set of objectives and actions. I've got to admire their resolve while fearing their potential success. And please get those wild fires under control. The smoke is impacting an otherwise fine Summer day here. Agree 100%, nice to hear from a balanced participant. Very intelligent summation.
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