JFKjr Posted September 6 Posted September 6 10 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: He's lying. https://www.factcheck.org/2023/08/scicheck-factchecking-robert-f-kennedy-jr/ And contrary to Kennedy’s suggestion that drugs are more closely scrutinized for safety than vaccines, if anything, the opposite is true. “A higher standard of safety is generally expected of vaccines than of other medical interventions because, in contrast to most pharmaceutical products that are administered to ill persons for treatment purposes, vaccines are generally administered to healthy persons to prevent disease,” the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s Pink Book, which is a guide to vaccines and vaccine-preventable diseases, explains. “Less tolerance of risk associated with vaccines requires close monitoring and timely assessment of vaccine adverse events to help distinguish true vaccine adverse reactions from coincidental unrelated events and to help maintain public confidence in vaccination,” the book continues. It would be nice if that were true. 1 1
Wolfgang Posted September 6 Posted September 6 43 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: He's lying. https://www.factcheck.org/2023/08/scicheck-factchecking-robert-f-kennedy-jr/ And contrary to Kennedy’s suggestion that drugs are more closely scrutinized for safety than vaccines, if anything, the opposite is true. “A higher standard of safety is generally expected of vaccines than of other medical interventions because, in contrast to most pharmaceutical products that are administered to ill persons for treatment purposes, vaccines are generally administered to healthy persons to prevent disease,” the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s Pink Book, which is a guide to vaccines and vaccine-preventable diseases, explains. “Less tolerance of risk associated with vaccines requires close monitoring and timely assessment of vaccine adverse events to help distinguish true vaccine adverse reactions from coincidental unrelated events and to help maintain public confidence in vaccination,” the book continues. Your propaganda is weak... Are you a vegan? You give off strong vegan vibes... 1 1
The Frankish Reich Posted September 6 Posted September 6 The root of the problem: RFK Jr. is not just skeptical of childhood vaccines. He is skeptical of the entire basis of infectious disease advancements since Pasteur: the germ theory of disease. Incredible that someone this stupid, this ignorant is in this position of power. https://www.wsj.com/health/rfk-jr-what-is-terrain-theory-66b4c660?mod=hp_listc_pos2 Germ theory, Kennedy wrote in his 2021 book “The Real Anthony Fauci: Bill Gates, Big Pharma, and the Global War on Democracy and Public Health,” is at the heart of his critique of American healthcare. “The ubiquity of pasteurization and vaccinations are only two of the many indicators of the domineering ascendancy of germ theory as the cornerstone of contemporary public health policy,” he wrote in the book. “A $1 trillion pharmaceutical industry pushing patented pills, powders, pricks, potions and poisons and the powerful professions of virology and vaccinology … fortifies the century-old predominance of germ theory.” In his book, Kennedy refers to Béchamp approvingly as a “miasmist”—a believer in miasma theory, which predates both germ and terrain theory. It is the belief that disease is caused by bad air, or something poisonous in the environment. There is firm consensus in the public-health community that environmental factors like air quality, as well as good nutrition, are important for good health, but these factors do not reliably protect people from getting infected by viruses. 1 1 1
Joe Ferguson forever Posted September 6 Posted September 6 (edited) 1 hour ago, JFKjr said: It would be nice if that were true. why not post some references with depth rather than snippets of misinformation https://mythdetector.com/en/what-lawsuit-did-robert-f-kennedy-jr-win-and-was-mandatory-vaccination-abolished-in-the-u-s/ Kennedy’s claim as if the COVID-19 vaccines skipped animal trials is disinformation. An assumption that the coronavirus vaccines will cause “enhanced immune response” lacks scientific evidence. Kennedy’s lawsuit against the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) was not about vaccine safety, but rather the Department’s failure to provide public information to an anti-vaccine organization. In addition, Bill Gates and Anthony Fauci had nothing to do with the court dispute. Neither did the court rule to abolish mandatory vaccination. The court did not rule into the case won by Robert F. Kennedy against the U.S. Department of Health that no monitoring of vaccine safety had been conducted for over 30 years and neither did it abolish mandatory vaccination. Edited September 6 by Joe Ferguson forever 1 1
Joe Ferguson forever Posted September 6 Posted September 6 38 minutes ago, JFKjr said: I guess you'd rather believe Big Pharma. I'd rather ytou look more deeply before posting....
Joe Ferguson forever Posted September 6 Posted September 6 1 hour ago, The Frankish Reich said: The root of the problem: RFK Jr. is not just skeptical of childhood vaccines. He is skeptical of the entire basis of infectious disease advancements since Pasteur: the germ theory of disease. Incredible that someone this stupid, this ignorant is in this position of power. https://www.wsj.com/health/rfk-jr-what-is-terrain-theory-66b4c660?mod=hp_listc_pos2 Germ theory, Kennedy wrote in his 2021 book “The Real Anthony Fauci: Bill Gates, Big Pharma, and the Global War on Democracy and Public Health,” is at the heart of his critique of American healthcare. “The ubiquity of pasteurization and vaccinations are only two of the many indicators of the domineering ascendancy of germ theory as the cornerstone of contemporary public health policy,” he wrote in the book. “A $1 trillion pharmaceutical industry pushing patented pills, powders, pricks, potions and poisons and the powerful professions of virology and vaccinology … fortifies the century-old predominance of germ theory.” In his book, Kennedy refers to Béchamp approvingly as a “miasmist”—a believer in miasma theory, which predates both germ and terrain theory. It is the belief that disease is caused by bad air, or something poisonous in the environment. There is firm consensus in the public-health community that environmental factors like air quality, as well as good nutrition, are important for good health, but these factors do not reliably protect people from getting infected by viruses. These followers are just plain stupid. Just like him.
sherpa Posted September 6 Posted September 6 3 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: These followers are just plain stupid. Just like him. For what it's worth, I agree, and I wish this man would go away. 3
The Frankish Reich Posted September 6 Posted September 6 (edited) I'm guessing all of this nonsense started with a valid point, a rather lefty point coming from the granola faction. I learned this a long the same point a long time in an epidemiology class: in modern medicine we focus way too much on infectious disease and not enough on the leading causes of morbidity and mortality in highly developed nations. Things like cancer and heart disease, which are highly correlated with lifestyle factors. Valid point, based in large part on developed nations having largely eradicated deadly infectious diseases. (AIDS emerged in the 1980s to upset the applecart, but still.) And we did this through public health improvements (no more cholera!) and vaccination advancements. So maybe the CDC should spend more time and money on the non-infectious disease causes of morbidity/mortality. So more on diet/nutrition. More on environmental policy (which is RFK Jr.'s entry point into this hole world). More on ever "gun violence" and car crashes. Valid points. So maybe all this lifestyle stuff is really where the action is, and we can all move on from that whole infectious disease/vaccination obsession of public health. Maybe if we just let that ride and get rid of artificial dyes in our foods and eat healthier and ban glyphosate (that one remains strangely off the map thanks to the big ag lobby) and other chemicals in/on/around our foods we'll reach Peak Health and Happiness. Invalid point. It ignores the fact that we are now able to concentrate on non-infectious disease because we've been so good at eradicating a lot of infectious disease! It is the same thing as the famous stupid NYT headline: "Despite lowering crime rates, record numbers remain imprisoned." Only this time it's "Despite infectious disease deaths being way down, we still spend more on preventing infectious disease than ever." Invalid. Stupid. Illogical. Edited September 6 by The Frankish Reich 1
pennstate10 Posted September 6 Posted September 6 4 hours ago, Wolfgang said: Your endless crying makes my coffee taste so much better each morning... Thank you! 1
Joe Ferguson forever Posted September 6 Posted September 6 17 minutes ago, Wolfgang said: really good doc on Netflix...A horror show in middle America. Sad. to brighten your mood I offer this in the hopes of broadening your awful musical taste. 1
Wolfgang Posted September 6 Posted September 6 1 hour ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: really good doc on Netflix...A horror show in middle America. Sad. to brighten your mood I offer this in the hopes of broadening your awful musical taste.
Joe Ferguson forever Posted September 7 Posted September 7 15 minutes ago, Wolfgang said: can't bear watching it. do u have an 8 pack? a six? have you ever? get some anger management. 1
pennstate10 Posted September 7 Posted September 7 13 hours ago, JFKjr said: I find it stunning how little Kennedy understands about medicine. Three key concepts he fails to understand 1) Life is not risk free. Neither is medicine. All medical interventions have risks. 2) Vaccines are safety tested. In phase I, II, and III trials, done before vaccines are approved for use. The most useful of these is usually the phase III trial, which will typically enroll hundreds or thousands of volunteers. Read the NEJM articles on Covid mRNA vaccines. Theses article are free and publicly available, and have exhaustive lists of side effects in the vaccine and placebo groups. 3) Hep B vaccines aren’t given to prevent infant deaths. They are given to prevent chronic hepatitis, which can lead to death 30-50 years later. 2
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