JDHillFan Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 3 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Fine, but when you have a person, like say a supreme court justice, say she wants to enact the Kingdom of God on earth, it makes religion wide open for discussion, mocking or otherwise I have very close religious friends and some believe the earth is just like six thousand years old. It's difficult for me not to get sarcastic over that! Guess what country is 85% Christian? It begins with Ukrain and ends with e. While you won’t be sending them any prayers and will more likely be mocking them, let’s at least hope their own praying brings them some comfort as the bullets fly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: Fine, but when you have a person, like say a supreme court justice, say she wants to enact the Kingdom of God on earth, it makes religion wide open for discussion, mocking or otherwise I have very close religious friends and some believe the earth is just like six thousand years old. It's difficult for me not to get sarcastic over that! Your decision to reject Christianity is because you have a couple of kooky friends? And let me guess, you think Al Gore and his melting planet religion are a better level of kooky? Alrighty then…. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 10, 2023 Author Share Posted February 10, 2023 14 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: Your decision to reject Christianity is because you have a couple of kooky friends? And let me guess, you think Al Gore and his melting planet religion are a better level of kooky? Alrighty then…. They are kooky? How come you say that? Lot's of Christians believe that, don't they? Or is it mocking them to point out certain Christian beliefs? 15 hours ago, JDHillFan said: Guess what country is 85% Christian? It begins with Ukrain and ends with e. While you won’t be sending them any prayers and will more likely be mocking them, let’s at least hope their own praying brings them some comfort as the bullets fly. They have as much right as you and I to live their lives in freedom and worship however they want. Are you claiming that questioning the virgin birth is mocking you? So religion is simply not to be questioned? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 (edited) 20 hours ago, Tiberius said: Fine, but when you have a person, like say a supreme court justice, say she wants to enact the Kingdom of God on earth, it makes religion wide open for discussion, mocking or otherwise I have very close religious friends and some believe the earth is just like six thousand years old. It's difficult for me not to get sarcastic over that! go take a peek at the video word coded shared about paul harvey being god. fundamentalist in every religion eff up the very basic function of faith and the golden rule. Edited February 10, 2023 by Chris farley 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 34 minutes ago, Tiberius said: They are kooky? How come you say that? Lot's of Christians believe that, don't they? Or is it mocking them to point out certain Christian beliefs? I don’t know a single Christian that believes or has ever been taught that. Not a single one. You need to get out more. I’d love to have you come to church with me sometime. I think you’d be amazed at how different it is from the place you’ve concocted, and the people you think are in there every week. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Chris farley said: go take a peek at the video work coded shared about paul harvey being god. fundamentalist in every religion eff up the very basic function of faith and the golden rule. agree with you often in this thread. I also believe that organized religions that support a political agenda should lose their tax free status. And that Tibs or anyone else has the right to reject belief in God. They should not be mocked for that anymore than any religious beliefs should. We can also argue about evolution and fossil records without attacking the person. But it is tempting...and I believe Al Gore is largely correct on climate change. Has nothing to do with my belief in God. Edited February 10, 2023 by redtail hawk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 3 minutes ago, redtail hawk said: agree with you often in this thread. I also believe that organized religion that support a political agenda should lose their tax free status. And that Tibs or anyone else has the right to reject belief in God. They should not be mocked for that anymore than any religious beliefs should. We can also argue about evolution and fossil records without attacking the person. But it is tempting... Nobody is mocking Tibs. He can believe whatever he’d like to believe. A few of us though (including myself) have asked him what he does believe in, if anything. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 4 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Nobody is mocking Tibs. He can believe whatever he’d like to believe. A few of us though (including myself) have asked him what he does believe in, if anything. really? Now what? The Church of Universal Healthcare 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 Just now, redtail hawk said: really? Now what? The Church of Universal Healthcare Exactly. The question is where does Tibs place his faith? I didn’t start this thread Redtail. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 10, 2023 Author Share Posted February 10, 2023 1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said: I don’t know a single Christian that believes or has ever been taught that. Not a single one. You need to get out more. I’d love to have you come to church with me sometime. I think you’d be amazed at how different it is from the place you’ve concocted, and the people you think are in there every week. What does your church and you believe about how old the earth is? No need to insult me, I do get out and talk to people. Really surprised you say no Christian are taught science is wrong. 25 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Nobody is mocking Tibs. He can believe whatever he’d like to believe. A few of us though (including myself) have asked him what he does believe in, if anything. What do you mean, what do I believe in? That's pretty open ended Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Tiberius said: What does your church and you believe about how old the earth is? No need to insult me, I do get out and talk to people. Really surprised you say no Christian are taught science is wrong. What do you mean, what do I believe in? That's pretty open ended plenty of Christian fundamentalists believe the earth is only 10000 years old. I've debated it with other doctors. And I've heard it stated in fundamentalist churches. Many also don't believe in evolution because they believe that requires a specific time in development that the soul comes into existence. From your posts, it seems you believe in science, reason and the search for truth. Is that correct? So do I but that doesn't mean those are necessarily exclusive beliefs. Edited February 10, 2023 by redtail hawk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 10, 2023 Author Share Posted February 10, 2023 10 minutes ago, redtail hawk said: plenty of Christian fundamentalists believe the earth is only 10000 years old. I've debated it with other doctors. And I've heard it stated in fundamentalist churches. Many also don't believe in evolution because they believe that requires a specific time in development that the soul comes into existence. From your posts, it seems you believe in science, reason and the search for truth. Is that correct? So do I but that doesn't mean those are necessarily exclusive beliefs. I do read a lot of evolutionary science, natural history of humanity and astronomy, so yes. IMO, could there be a God? Sure. But I just have not felt the spirit move me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 21 minutes ago, redtail hawk said: plenty of Christian fundamentalists believe the earth is only 10000 years old. I've debated it with other doctors. And I've heard it stated in fundamentalist churches. Many also don't believe in evolution because they believe that requires a specific time in development that the soul comes into existence. From your posts, it seems you believe in science, reason and the search for truth. Is that correct? So do I but that doesn't mean those are necessarily exclusive beliefs. Once again, I’m not sure what churches you guys have attended but I’ve yet to attend one that spends any time at all on these subjects. 8 minutes ago, Tiberius said: I do read a lot of evolutionary science, natural history of humanity and astronomy, so yes. IMO, could there be a God? Sure. But I just have not felt the spirit move me. May I suggest that you find a Church in your area that beats suits you? You seem to be waiting for God to speak to you in your living room. No offense intended. While that’s a strategy, for sure, I think you’ll find that ‘where are two or more are gathered in his name’ to be a better one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 10, 2023 Author Share Posted February 10, 2023 4 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Once again, I’m not sure what churches you guys have attended but I’ve yet to attend one that spends any time at all on these subjects. May I suggest that you find a Church in your area that beats suits you? You seem to be waiting for God to speak to you in your living room. No offense intended. While that’s a strategy, for sure, I think you’ll find that ‘where are two or more are gathered in his name’ to be a better one. There sure are churches pushing an anti-science agenda https://creationmuseum.org/events/presentations/age-of-the-earth/ We must accept what God's Word and Jesus taught about the earth's age. We should not fear the radioactive methods geologists use to position rocks as millions of years old, because their methods are based on unprovable assumptions. Many examples of inherited ages, contamination, and non-constant radioactive decay rates demonstrate these assumptions are repeatedly falsified. Instead, there are many scientific evidences of a young earth, such as crumbling comets, the earth's magnetic field losing energy, and rapid salt accumulation in the oceans. If we cannot trust the Bible about the earth's age, then we cannot trust its gospel message. In this video presentation, Dr. Andrew Snelling uses the Bible to discuss and refute some of the crucial components of the "Millions of Years" theory. This presentation is free with paid museum admission or museum membership. Seating is first come, first served. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 (edited) 40 minutes ago, redtail hawk said: plenty of Christian fundamentalists believe the earth is only 10000 years old. I've debated it with other doctors. And I've heard it stated in fundamentalist churches. Many also don't believe in evolution because they believe that requires a specific time in development that the soul comes into existence. From your posts, it seems you believe in science, reason and the search for truth. Is that correct? So do I but that doesn't mean those are necessarily exclusive beliefs. I think anyone that prefers to apply logic, fact-based techniques of thinking, and things like the principles of physical science would conclude these people are rejecting reality in the face of evidence that renders their beliefs as false. Yet for some reason they might choose to cling to them. Why they would do that is something to explore. Faith is the answer I see most. This leads me to ponder the belief system of current social movements. I propose applying the same criteria to the American Woke movement, which after examination I conclude is a belief system that meets the criteria of a religion. Namely, dismissing scientific fact and logic. Start with the concept that they believe a man can be a women simply by believing. And attack anyone that disagrees. But genetic and biological facts invalidate their belief. Yet they cling to them. For me, that's consistent with a Christian cited in the example above believing the Earth is 10,000 years old when confronted with geological and scientific facts. So why do some that reject traditional or unique religious beliefs because they can be factually disproved believe in or fail to critique woke religious beliefs that can also be factually disproven? Edited February 10, 2023 by All_Pro_Bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 12 minutes ago, Tiberius said: There sure are churches pushing an anti-science agenda https://creationmuseum.org/events/presentations/age-of-the-earth/ We must accept what God's Word and Jesus taught about the earth's age. We should not fear the radioactive methods geologists use to position rocks as millions of years old, because their methods are based on unprovable assumptions. Many examples of inherited ages, contamination, and non-constant radioactive decay rates demonstrate these assumptions are repeatedly falsified. Instead, there are many scientific evidences of a young earth, such as crumbling comets, the earth's magnetic field losing energy, and rapid salt accumulation in the oceans. If we cannot trust the Bible about the earth's age, then we cannot trust its gospel message. In this video presentation, Dr. Andrew Snelling uses the Bible to discuss and refute some of the crucial components of the "Millions of Years" theory. This presentation is free with paid museum admission or museum membership. Seating is first come, first served. And Redtail wants to attack me for mocking your beliefs? Yeah….right! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: And Redtail wants to attack me for mocking your beliefs? Yeah….right! you really oughta listen to more NPR. Rich in science and debate: https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2014/02/04/271648691/watch-the-creationism-vs-evolution-debate-bill-nye-and-ken-ham There are definitely people that mold "history" to fit a literal reading of the bible. Heck, there's a reproduction of the ark in Kentucky, I think, visited by thousands yearly. Edited February 10, 2023 by redtail hawk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 Just now, redtail hawk said: you really oughta listen to more NPR. RTich in science and debate: https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2014/02/04/271648691/watch-the-creationism-vs-evolution-debate-bill-nye-and-ken-ham Thanks Redtail…..I’m fine. The last thing I need is another liberal media outlet telling me to put all my faith in government. 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 (edited) 23 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: I think anyone that prefers to apply logic, fact-based techniques of thinking, and things like the principles of physical science would conclude these people are rejecting reality in the face of evidence that renders their beliefs as false. Yet for some reason they might choose to cling to them. Why they would do that is something to explore. Faith is the answer I see most. This leads me to ponder the belief system of current social movements. I propose applying the same criteria to the American Woke movement, which after examination I conclude is a belief system that meets the criteria of a religion. Namely, dismissing scientific fact and logic. Start with the concept that they believe a man can be a women simply by believing. And attack anyone that disagrees. But genetic and biological facts invalidate their belief. Yet they cling to them. For me, that's consistent with a Christian cited in the example above believing the Earth is 10,000 years old when confronted with geological and scientific facts. So why do some that reject traditional or unique religious beliefs because they can be factually disproved believe in or fail to critique woke religious beliefs that can also be factually disproven? I've already given examples where gender is biologically ambiguous. Parents and doctors decide what the gender will be in those cases. Do you reject the reality of this? I think the gender issue has swung too far towards questioning genetics but there is definitely a spectrum of phenotypic maleness vs femaleness in genotypic males and females. It's far from the simple issue that so many make it out to be: https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fnins.2021.701017/full Edited February 10, 2023 by redtail hawk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 (edited) 16 minutes ago, redtail hawk said: I've already given examples where gender is biologically ambiguous. Parents and doctors decide what the gender will be in those cases. Do you reject the reality of this? I think the gender issue has swung too far towards questioning genetics but there is definitely a spectrum of phenotypic maleness vs femaleness in genotypic males and females. I'll concede there are exceptions but as a matter of practice they are also driven by science. In this case inconclusive science. But woke religion doesn't address ambiguous cases but rather people that reject their biological gender for a belief in something else. In these "I think I'm a women therefore I am" cases the gender is not ambiguous and the biological gender is clear yet people ignore reality. Just like those 10,000 year old Earth folks the left loves to snicker at. Its the same denial of reality at work. Edited February 10, 2023 by All_Pro_Bills 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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