Joe Ferguson forever Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 6 minutes ago, Orlando Tim said: Why do you believe it still when Hutchinson admits lying to the committee and everyone else contradicts her? To believe her you also must believe our secret service is incompetent and allowed armed protesters near the President. ornato has character questions and a checkered past as i recall. Pence didn't trust the secret service that day. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Buffalo Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 7 minutes ago, redtail hawk said: ornato has character questions and a checkered past as i recall. Pence didn't trust the secret service that day. No one else says she is correct and Pence wanted to stay at Capitol and he did not trust the SS to do as he asked. The only person who has said he did not trust the SS to protect him is Jamie Raskin, a politician and, perhaps redundant, a known liar. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Orlando Tim said: No one else says she is correct and Pence wanted to stay at Capitol and he did not trust the SS to do as he asked. The only person who has said he did not trust the SS to protect him is Jamie Raskin, a politician and, perhaps redundant, a known liar. ornato retired suddenly and unexpectedly from the secret service. Has refused to testify to an inspector general and a ton of requested emails from the secret service were erased under his tenure. I suspect he'll be in court again sometime soon. Would it surprise you if those most tasked with protecting the trump were "loyal to a fault"? Edited January 16, 2023 by redtail hawk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Buffalo Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 6 minutes ago, redtail hawk said: ornato retired suddenly and unexpectedly from the secret service. Has refused to testify to an inspector general and a ton of requested emails from the secret service were erased under his tenure. I suspect he'll be in court again sometime soon. Would it surprise you if those most tasked with protecting the trump were "loyal to a fault"? Do you think Trump hired this guy? What a conspiracy theory to think that Hutchinson's 4th hand info is accurate but everyone is wrong and the SS is lying to protect Trump after he leaves office. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 (edited) trump promoted him in an unprecedented way. And you know how he rewards loyalty. It wouldn't surprise me if part of the secret service was mob like. believe want you want. I've given you my reasoning and believe it's sound esp re motivation. remember Pence said to his security head "Tim, I know you, I trust you but you're not the one behind the wheel". Who didn't he trust then? And if everyone trusted the secret service to protect them, why did Pence's agents fear for their own lives based on released radio traffic? Edited January 16, 2023 by redtail hawk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 1 hour ago, Orlando Tim said: Why do you believe it still when Hutchinson admits lying to the committee and everyone else contradicts her? To believe her you also must believe our secret service is incompetent and allowed armed protesters near the President. Yeah, surprised she didn't say Trump demanded to body surf in the crowd... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Buffalo Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 10 hours ago, redtail hawk said: trump promoted him in an unprecedented way. And you know how he rewards loyalty. It wouldn't surprise me if part of the secret service was mob like. believe want you want. I've given you my reasoning and believe it's sound esp re motivation. remember Pence said to his security head "Tim, I know you, I trust you but you're not the one behind the wheel". Who didn't he trust then? And if everyone trusted the secret service to protect them, why did Pence's agents fear for their own lives based on released radio traffic? Pence did not trust them to keep him at the Capitol if SS thought it actually became dangerous, and Pence did not want to leave. “I’m not getting in the car, Tim,” Pence replied. “I trust you, Tim, but you’re not driving the car. If I get in that vehicle, you guys are taking off. I’m not getting in the car.” https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.msnbc.com/msnbc/amp/ncna1296424 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 1 hour ago, Orlando Tim said: Pence did not trust them to keep him at the Capitol if SS thought it actually became dangerous, and Pence did not want to leave. “I’m not getting in the car, Tim,” Pence replied. “I trust you, Tim, but you’re not driving the car. If I get in that vehicle, you guys are taking off. I’m not getting in the car.” https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.msnbc.com/msnbc/amp/ncna1296424 why didn't he want to leave Timmy? did he have a death wish or feel compelled/obligated to certify a legitimate election? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted January 16, 2023 Author Share Posted January 16, 2023 Also unarmed middle aged trespassers nearly toppled our government via insurrection! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 33 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said: Also unarmed middle aged trespassers nearly toppled our government via insurrection! Been saying this since Joke made that statement. It doesn't matter to those who want to continue to believe it was an insurrection. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted January 17, 2023 Author Share Posted January 17, 2023 Release it. All of it. Full body cam footage.. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted January 17, 2023 Author Share Posted January 17, 2023 A very coordinated effort by highly trained domestic terrorists! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tommy Callahan Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 10 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said: Na, Not upside down justice. thats no justice. its effing tyranny. its pretty basic. No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself; nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use without just compensation. n all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed; which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor; and to have the assistance of counsel for his defence Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted. The enumeration in the Constitution of certain rights shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted January 17, 2023 Author Share Posted January 17, 2023 The government isn't out of control at all. It's a sign of your innocence when you cooperate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 7 hours ago, BillsFanNC said: Release it. All of it. Full body cam footage.. I guess they were triggered like that pedo arsonist was by Rittenhouse's AR-15... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted January 17, 2023 Author Share Posted January 17, 2023 Why observe the actual events of J6 captured on video in order to fill in a timeline when you have a sham partisan committe to craft a carefully constructed fake narrative? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 1 minute ago, BillsFanNC said: Why observe the actual events of J6 captured on video in order to fill in a timeline when you have a sham partisan committe to craft a carefully constructed fake narrative? mmmm hmmm, the whole thing was precipitated by those flash bombs. The crowds, the pepper spray, the cable ties, the gallows, the walkie talkies, the paramilitary uniforms and formations, the gallows.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted January 17, 2023 Author Share Posted January 17, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, redtail hawk said: mmmm hmmm, the whole thing was precipitated by those flash bombs. The crowds, the pepper spray, the cable ties, the gallows, the walkie talkies, the paramilitary uniforms and formations, the gallows.... The gallows! And I know you can never address the contents of a post directly Mr. Deflection... But perhaps you can provide one good reason why FLASH BANG grenades should be used on a peaceful crowd merely milling about? Is that the compassionate thing to do? Edited January 17, 2023 by BillsFanNC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said: The gallows! yes, those we're f'in hilarious😒. that's why I mentioned them twice. f'in barbarian huns. did u notice the inbred WV family with the googly eyes? look familiar? Edited January 17, 2023 by redtail hawk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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