MrSarcasm Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 1 hour ago, Beerball said: And? And that would ruin the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 1 minute ago, MrSarcasm said: And that would ruin the game. No NFL CBs would not just haul WR's down. Why do people think this would happen. Do you understand how hard it would to touch a WR if you're beaten badly? It just doesn't happen. People are not thinking this through. If you're close enough to grab or tackle a WR why the heck wouldn't you just try to break it up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheektowaga Chad Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 5 hours ago, Beerball said: And? It would be terrible. It would kill all game flow. It would kill offense There are enough flags as is, no need to increase the amount of flags 3 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: No NFL CBs would not just haul WR's down. Why do people think this would happen. Do you understand how hard it would to touch a WR if you're beaten badly? It just doesn't happen. People are not thinking this through. If you're close enough to grab or tackle a WR why the heck wouldn't you just try to break it up? Because 15 yards and live another day You are right you wouldn't see out right tackles but what would happen is you would see more press coverage where the dbs would get their hands on a wr early and not let go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilthyBeast Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 This wouldn't make sense because it would be exploited by teams every time a guy beats a DB and is position to score a 20+ yard long TD. The defense would simply take the 15 yards everytime and you'd see a ton more flags each games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 3 minutes ago, Cheektowaga Chad said: It would be terrible. It would kill all game flow. It would kill offense There are enough flags as is, no need to increase the amount of flags Because 15 yards and live another day You are right you wouldn't see out right tackles but what would happen is you would see more press coverage where the dbs would get their hands on a wr early and not let go Lol. That is not going to happen. No dB is going to hold and not let go of WR's in press coverage or any coverage. Imagine Levi Wallace did what you're saying every game. Took 15 yard penalties all the time. How long do you think he'll be in the league? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said: This wouldn't make sense because it would be exploited by teams every time a guy beats a DB and is position to score a 20+ yard long TD. The defense would simply take the 15 yards everytime and you'd see a ton more flags each games. HOW? It doesn't happen. How will this happen? DBs can't even get their heads around in time but you believe they'll be able to know when to grab a WR? Or even know when the ball is coming? Do you guys even watch college football. There is no controversy with DBs taking intentional interference. And anyways my proposal eliminates that. There should be two calls for interference. Intentional and unintentional. If a DB reaches out and grabs a WR or tackles a WR more than 15 yards down field it's an intentional pass interference and should be penalized as a spot foul. Interference where the DB makes incidental contact or arrives too early to defend a pass it's unintentional interference and it's 15 yards. Edited December 16, 2021 by Buffalo_Stampede Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilthyBeast Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: HOW? It doesn't happen. How will this happen? DBs can't even get their heads around in time but you believe they'll be able to know when to grab a WR? Or even know when the ball is coming? Do you guys even watch college football. There is no controversy with DBs taking intentional interference. And anyways my proposal eliminates that. There should be two calls for interference. Intentional and unintentional. If a DB reaches out and grabs a WR or tackles a WR more than 15 yards down field it's an intentional pass interference and should be penalized as a spot foul. Interference where the DB makes incidental contact or arrives too early to defend a pass it's unintentional interference and it's 15 yards. Look at the play last week that set up the Bucs for the game winning touchdown as a perfect example. Again, why reward a bad defense/DB for getting beat on a 50 yard TD? It makes zero sense and league owners will never approve such a rule. What does need to happen though is making PI a reviewable challenge again or they is going to continue to be lopsided officiating and it will give credence to conspiracy theories when certain teams get all the flags and others do not like the Bills/Bucs game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 (edited) 13 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said: Look at the play last week that set up the Bucs for the game winning touchdown as a perfect example. Again, why reward a bad defense/DB for getting beat on a 50 yard TD? It makes zero sense and league owners will never approve such a rule. What does need to happen though is making PI a reviewable challenge again or they is going to continue to be lopsided officiating and it will give credence to conspiracy theories when certain teams get all the flags and others do not like the Bills/Bucs game. Huh? It was also a terrible throw. Just because a WR gets a step doesn't mean it's a TD. 15 yards is not reward. 15 yards is the largest amount given for any penalty other than pass interference over 15 yards. You're assuming because the WR beat the DB by a step that's it's a completed pass for a TD. That play you described wasn't going to be a completion. Edited December 16, 2021 by Buffalo_Stampede Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheektowaga Chad Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 30 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Lol. That is not going to happen. No dB is going to hold and not let go of WR's in press coverage or any coverage. Imagine Levi Wallace did what you're saying every game. Took 15 yard penalties all the time. How long do you think he'll be in the league? You are just thinking with current players Wallace would be gone then a bigger corner would replace him Short term say the first season you are right but once teams build a defense around this rule its over Hockey is a great example of what can happen. Late 90s early 2000s is know as the dead puck era, during this time they allowed players to get away with clutching and grabbing. Teams began to build their teams around guys who were the best at clutching and grabbing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 1 hour ago, Cheektowaga Chad said: You are just thinking with current players Wallace would be gone then a bigger corner would replace him Short term say the first season you are right but once teams build a defense around this rule its over Hockey is a great example of what can happen. Late 90s early 2000s is know as the dead puck era, during this time they allowed players to get away with clutching and grabbing. Teams began to build their teams around guys who were the best at clutching and grabbing You're over thinking this. It's a penalty either way, DBs won't be able to grab WR's and get away with it. Coaches aren't going to coach DBs to take 15 yard penalties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 4 hours ago, Cheektowaga Chad said: It would be terrible. It would kill all game flow. It would kill offense There are enough flags as is, no need to increase the amount of flags You aren’t increasing anything. You’re changing a 30-40-50 yard PI into a 15 yard penalty. 8 hours ago, MrSarcasm said: And that would ruin the game. “Ruin the game” is just a touch over dramatic don’t you think? How would changing a 30 yard penalty into a 15 yard penalty ruin the game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted December 16, 2021 Author Share Posted December 16, 2021 Is anybody who thinks DB's will be tackling WR's left and right actually watch college football? I'm a tick short of 40, in 20+ years of watching college football consistently I have never seen a player tackled nor a discussion regarding increasing the length of PI in CFB because of the way defensive players are reacting. About the best argument anybody has posted is the athletes are better, that's why it will happen. About the most you would see is more physical DB play on downfield contested balls which I'm perfectly fine with. No NFL caliber players is going to just concede a guaranteed penalty over an uncertain outcome. They're too competitive and the game is too instinctual for this to even take place. Do you think in the New England game that Diggs would have been tackled on his dropped pass if this rule is in place? He clearly beat is man and the ball hit his hands. Regardless of the rule, to alter the outcome of that play the DB would of had to take his legs out diving at the last second vs just letting it play it out. Which could involve a bad pass or a drop, heck, maybe even an INT. Get a grip people, nobody is getting tackled, they couldn't even if they wanted to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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