Bernie Sanders

[Governor]

Just now, Chef Jim said:

 

So you're in cash? 

I am. My gf will be the one with a NJ teachers pension. I think we might be ok. The HC system cleans everyone out at some point but there isn’t anything we can really do about that. When you get old, you get scared and listen to doctors and they clean your clock. That’s not even factoring in the whole retirement home business. 
 

What I can say is this, and I know you disagree, but where you live is going to become really important in the next 20 years.

 

This is where I fear that your ideology will do you harm.

[Chef Jim]

4 minutes ago, Governor said:

I am. My gf will be the one with a NJ teachers pension. I think we might be ok. The HC system cleans everyone out at some point but there isn’t anything we can really do about that. When you get old, you get scared and listen to doctors and they clean your clock. That’s not even factoring in the whole retirement home business. 
 

What I can say is this, and I know you disagree, but where you live is going to become really important in the next 20 years.

 

This is where I fear that your ideology will do you harm.

 

So you're afraid of the markets and you're in cash when inflation is a constant headwind on your cash while over the long run the markets are a tailwind.   Thinking you're going to be ok is not a plan.  Trust me on this one.  

 

What is my ideology and how will it do me harm?  

[Governor]

5 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

So you're afraid of the markets and you're in cash when inflation is a constant headwind on your cash while over the long run the markets are a tailwind.   Thinking you're going to be ok is not a plan.  Trust me on this one.  

 

What is my ideology and how will it do me harm?  

What I’m experiencing now is how family members(gf) act when someone passes away. All of a sudden family members get really greedy and entitled and think something is owed to them and tension starts. Then you find out the granddaughter has been getting 10k “gifted” over the last 5 years. 
 

it’s an ugly situation that rips families apart. I don’t want to be involved with any of that in my family.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

2 hours ago, Governor said:

I’m in the center. Commie Kay is on the left, and the rest of you are way off the reservation right and can no longer recognize center. I haven’t moved.

I don’t worry much where someone else feels I should be placed on the political spectrum.    I would describe myself as center right, though that sort of labeling limits conversation and dialogue in my opinion. 
 

Anyway, that’s largely irrelevant to my point.  
 

 

 

[Governor]

17 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

So you're afraid of the markets and you're in cash when inflation is a constant headwind on your cash while over the long run the markets are a tailwind.   Thinking you're going to be ok is not a plan.  Trust me on this one.  

 

What is my ideology and how will it do me harm?  

I have my Publix nest egg but that isn’t publicly traded. Other than that, it’s cash.

[jhh9327]

Couple things.

 

Pulling $45k (and adjusted for inflation) from a $1 million portfolio in 2000 would not only have worked, but would have thrived if invested in any even semi-responsible way, so Chef Jim is off base on that. 

 

No business cares where the money you spend with them comes from.  $100 is a $100 whether it came from the lotto, an inheritance, from a job, or collecting cans.  Human judgement is where that matters to some and most often comes from jealously.  "My $100 is better than your $100 because I earned it and you didn't".  No, it's the exact same.  Money is fungible.

 

If "Andy" or anyone else who has determined they have "enough" and is happy, then good for them.  It should be the goal for all to have "enough" and how much that is should be a personal decision. 

 

Relying on cash and gov't pension as your strategy can work as long as you are flexible and don't set your expectations very high, but yes inflation is a problem for you and sorry to say it's a way sub-optimal strategy. 

 

[Governor]

32 minutes ago, jhh9327 said:

Couple things.

 

Pulling $45k (and adjusted for inflation) from a $1 million portfolio in 2000 would not only have worked, but would have thrived if invested in any even semi-responsible way, so Chef Jim is off base on that. 

 

No business cares where the money you spend with them comes from.  $100 is a $100 whether it came from the lotto, an inheritance, from a job, or collecting cans.  Human judgement is where that matters to some and most often comes from jealously.  "My $100 is better than your $100 because I earned it and you didn't".  No, it's the exact same.  Money is fungible.

 

If "Andy" or anyone else who has determined they have "enough" and is happy, then good for them.  It should be the goal for all to have "enough" and how much that is should be a personal decision. 

 

Relying on cash and gov't pension as your strategy can work as long as you are flexible and don't set your expectations very high, but yes inflation is a problem for you and sorry to say it's a way sub-optimal strategy. 

 

Right, we don’t know what Andy gained and lost over the last 30 years. That’s an unknown. You could probably take a few good guesses if he was strictly in mutual funds. Andy wasn’t one to take risks, so I always assumed he had everything spread out and never took any huge hits. I don’t know that for sure.
 

All I know is the dude is still riding his bike around town with no worries.

Edited August 16, 2021 by Governor

[Chef Jim]

42 minutes ago, jhh9327 said:

Couple things.

 

Pulling $45k (and adjusted for inflation) from a $1 million portfolio in 2000 would not only have worked, but would have thrived if invested in any even semi-responsible way, so Chef Jim is off base on that. 

 

I'm spot on.   Inflation never stops.   How much would you need to be pulling from that $1m today to buy what you bought in 2000 for $45k?  We were talking a long term plan.  Gov's buddy was going to run out of money. 

 

Define semi-responsible. 

17 minutes ago, Governor said:

Right, we don’t know what Andy gained and lost over the last 30 years. That’s an unknown. You could probably take a few good guesses if he was strictly in mutual funds. Andy wasn’t one to take risks, so I always assumed he had everything spread out and never took any huge hits. I don’t know that for sure.
 

All I know is the dude is still riding his bike around town with no worries.

 

Strictly in mutual funds?  What does that mean?  

[Governor]

3 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

I'm spot on.   Inflation never stops.   How much would you need to be pulling from that $1m today to buy what you bought in 2000 for $45k?  We were talking a long term plan.  Gov's buddy was going to run out of money. 

 

Define semi-responsible. 

 

Strictly in mutual funds?  What does that mean?  

My brother’s money was spread out on 3 ocean front properties in Florida and the rest was spread out in mutual funds. He took a slight hit in 2008 but didn’t lose his ass. 
 

Basically, my dad told him that he had too much money and had to park it in properties.

[Chef Jim]

3 minutes ago, Governor said:

My brother’s money was spread out on 3 ocean front properties in Florida and the rest was spread out in mutual funds. He took a slight hit in 2008 but didn’t lose his ass. 
 

Basically, my dad told him that he had too much money and had to park it in properties.

 

Wait....so your brother is racking it in with ocean front properties in FL.  I think we just got to the bottom of your hatred of FL.   

[jhh9327]

2 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

I'm spot on.   Inflation never stops.   How much would you need to be pulling from that $1m today to buy what you bought in 2000 for $45k?  We were talking a long term plan.  Gov's buddy was going to run out of money. 

 

Define semi-responsible. 

You said 8% return.  Assume 3% inflation rate even though that is more than what the last 20 years gave us.  Do the math.

$1,000,000 at start

$1,000,000 - $45,000 = $955,000

$955,000 x 1.08 = $1,031,400 at end of year 1

$1,031,400 - ($45,000 x 1.03 = $46,350) = $985,050

$985,050 x 1.08 = $1,063,854 at end of year 2

$1,063,854 - ($46,350 x 1.03 = $47,740.50) = $1,016,113.50

$1,016,113.50 x 1.08 = $1,097,402.58 at end of year 3

 

And it's going to keep rising each year under those assumptions.

 

[Governor]

1 minute ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Wait....so your brother is racking it in with ocean front properties in FL.  I think we just got to the bottom of your hatred of FL.   

No hated at all. I visit and lived in those units.

[Chef Jim]

1 hour ago, jhh9327 said:

You said 8% return.  Assume 3% inflation rate even though that is more than what the last 20 years gave us.  Do the math.

$1,000,000 at start

$1,000,000 - $45,000 = $955,000

$955,000 x 1.08 = $1,031,400 at end of year 1

$1,031,400 - ($45,000 x 1.03 = $46,350) = $985,050

$985,050 x 1.08 = $1,063,854 at end of year 2

$1,063,854 - ($46,350 x 1.03 = $47,740.50) = $1,016,113.50

$1,016,113.50 x 1.08 = $1,097,402.58 at end of year 3

 

And it's going to keep rising each year under those assumptions.

 

I did the math. He runs out. You’re forgetting taxes. 

 

Edited August 16, 2021 by Chef Jim

[Governor]

1 hour ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Wait....so your brother is racking it in with ocean front properties in FL.  I think we just got to the bottom of your hatred of FL.   

Would you like to purchase one?

[Chef Jim]

1 hour ago, Governor said:

No hated at all. I visit and lived in those units.

No dude.  Deep down your hatred of FL is rooted in the jealousy you have towards your brother. 

3 minutes ago, Governor said:

Would you like to purchase one?

Possibly 

Edited August 16, 2021 by Chef Jim

[Governor]

7 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

No dude.  Deep down your hatred of FL is rooted in the jealousy you have towards your brother. 

Normally, I see why someone on the outside would think that, but it isn’t that at all. I don’t want anything from him. He lived his life, I decided that I didn’t really want to live that exact life, and I would hope that there aren’t grudges and bitterness.

 

I think you’re too caught in money and that’s why I told Andy’s story in the first place.

 

My hatred for Florida is strictly political.

 

I think you’re having a hard time grasping how I can be this way…..because it clashes against everything you think you know.

 

Take a step back. Slow down. You’ll thank me later.

Edited August 17, 2021 by Governor

[Chef Jim]

5 minutes ago, Governor said:

Normally, I see why someone on the outside would think that, but it isn’t that at all. I don’t want anything from him. He lived his life, I decided that I didn’t really want to live that exact life, and I would hope that there aren’t grudges and bitterness.

 

I think you’re too caught in money and that’s why I told Andy’s story in the first place.

 

My hatred for Florida is strictly political.

You say it’s political but it’s your brother.  And I’m just busting them on you. 
 

Too caught in money?  Damn ***** straight. It makes the world and my retirement go round and round. 

[jhh9327]

3 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

I did the math. He runs out 

 

Not with a 8% investment return and 3% inflation assumption on a 4.5% initial withdrawal rate.   Want to actually share what rates you used for your chart? 

Last 20 years had an average 2.2% inflation rate.  $45,000 in 2000 is about $72,000 today using CPI over that time.    

 

 

 

 

[Chef Jim]

27 minutes ago, jhh9327 said:

Not with a 8% investment return and 3% inflation assumption on a 4.5% initial withdrawal rate.   Want to actually share what rates you used for your chart? 

Last 20 years had an average 2.2% inflation rate.  $45,000 in 2000 is about $72,000 today using CPI over that time.    

 

 

 

 

$1m taxable investment($1m basis) (CA/Fed) growing at 8% inflation 3%. This is a 70 plus year plan. The guy were talking about was young.  Long term inflation runs about 3%.  He runs out. 
 

The 40 year income need is $107k.  That’s a  10.7% distribution rate.  As inflation increases and we star taping into principal the distribution rate skyrockets.  Why he runs out. 

[Irv]

We could use Bernie now.  At least he’s lucid and not killing off Americans Saigon style.  What a mess.  Incompetence.  

[ComradeKayAdams]

On 8/14/2021 at 9:10 PM, Governor said:

Comrade, I want you to do me a favor. Find an old person and ask them if they like their Medicare and believe that would be a fix to our HC system. 
 

Most blue-hairs have to carry supplemental private insurance on top of Medicare because it doesn’t cover anything. There’s also no dental and vision presently, so most are forced to do without.

 

Biden expanding on that is a HUGE deal until we can move onto a better system. 
 

Yes, it’s going to collapse. Passing M4A tomorrow won’t prevent that. The problem is cost.

 

Did you know that your insurance is billed 17,000 for a routine colonoscopy?

 

You can’t fix that unless government drops a huge hammer on the system and sets the prices.

 

That’s not happening anytime soon. It doesn’t matter what model of coverage we use if we’re going to let doctors get away with that. That simply isn’t sustainable.

 

Apologies, Mr. Governor. I should have clarified: whenever I propose M4A, I’m referring specifically to Jayapal’s bill. Her plan includes dental and vision and happens to be slightly more comprehensive than Bernie’s 2020 campaign proposal.

 

Your point of focusing on price control measures is duly noted, but the broader point I’m trying to make here is that no one should be voting for Democratic Party politicians with any expectation that they intend to eventually move the country to universal health care. Yes, I’m even including the Squad. As long as party leaders like Pelosi accept corporate donations, the party’s fundamental agenda will be to remain intrinsically hostile to universal health care. It’s not just the health care insurance industry and their campaign contributions/bribes that are the problem. I’m including any uber-wealthy establishment donor who already has health care and who would stand to lose something from federal budget alterations needed to accommodate M4A (i.e. the MIC, vulture capitalists, etc.).

 

I suppose one could even make a Lenin-esque “worse is better” tactical argument that voting Republican instead of Democrat brings us closer to policies like M4A. I would never go that far because I don’t believe in enabling either of the two major parties. I only advocate for third party pressure until the two main parties respond with substantive anti-establishment policy reforms.

 

Now what if a so-called progressive actually prefers ACA on merit over M4A? Then by all means, they should consider voting Democrat. But then they should also stop calling themselves a “progressive” because “neoliberal” would be more fitting and I’m a stickler for proper labels. Same goes for anyone preferring any perceived incremental improvements on Obamacare. Really, I see nothing more ethical about wasting time rearranging chairs on the Titanic for a few when there’s still a bunch of people on the ship without ring buoys. I’d rather focus on plugging up the gaping hole in the hull.

 

On 8/14/2021 at 9:20 PM, TSOL said:

Hy crap commander, did you get the WHOLE trailer park together to come up with that?

 

I want the last 1m 25s of my life back from reading that rubbish 

 

Ouch. That post may not have been among my greatest hits, but your words are still hurtful. Whatever. At least I’m not a stupid poopyface doodoohead like you are. Oh and by the way, I don’t care for your socioeconomic elitism. It’s gross and I see way too much of it in this subforum. As a current resident of the popular American trailer park known as Manhattan Island, I think it would be lovely to live in a more rural minimalist setting with less judgmental neighbors and a reasonable cost of living.

 

 

18 hours ago, Governor said:

I’m in the center. Commie Kay is on the left, and the rest of you are way off the reservation right and can no longer recognize center. I haven’t moved.

 

Oooh another shout-out to Kay! I crave attention and relish my newfound political supervillain role!

 

So here’s what I recommend instead: ditch your standard American political spectrum line and apply the more traditional Euro-centric economics-based one where the left includes the socialists, the center includes the mixed economy types, and the right includes the classical liberals. This is the line that I believe most world historians use. I find it to be much more illuminating when applied to this wonderful little forum of ours. It puts me somewhat squarely in the center*, you (Mr. Governor) on the far right of the center portion, and much of the rest of the PPP members so far right that a few of them might have accidentally fallen off the line and somehow landed on the very far left (as anarchists, I guess?). Now you see, this kind of illustrates why we can’t have productive health care debates on this forum. This is kind of why a thread about Bernie ends up as an interrogation of your eccentric friend Andy’s life choices.

 

With my deliberately provocative line reframing, we can also see that there are actually very few genuine leftists in American politics and none at the national level. I believe Kshama Sawant from Washington state is the furthest left. Buffalo’s very own aspiring mayor, India Walton, calls herself one, but who knows? Brooklyn’s pride and joy, Julia Salazar and Jabari Brisport, may be among the biggest leftist rising stars in the country. I consider AOC, the Squad, and Bernie as all falling within the left half of the center portion but definitely trending rightward since last March. I’m judging them strictly by their voting records, of course, and not their democratic socialist rhetoric.

 

* - personal fun fact: I know literally hundreds of Bernie Bros. Many of them consider me to be a closet right-winger because I’m open to all sorts of privatized/market-based solutions for social welfare issues (aside from health care). They say I also don’t criticize Trump enough. Go figure.

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, ComradeKayAdams said:

 

Apologies, Mr. Governor. I should have clarified: whenever I propose M4A, I’m referring specifically to Jayapal’s bill. Her plan includes dental and vision and happens to be slightly more comprehensive than Bernie’s 2020 campaign proposal.

 

Your point of focusing on price control measures is duly noted, but the broader point I’m trying to make here is that no one should be voting for Democratic Party politicians with any expectation that they intend to eventually move the country to universal health care. Yes, I’m even including the Squad. As long as party leaders like Pelosi accept corporate donations, the party’s fundamental agenda will be to remain intrinsically hostile to universal health care. It’s not just the health care insurance industry and their campaign contributions/bribes that are the problem. I’m including any uber-wealthy establishment donor who already has health care and who would stand to lose something from federal budget alterations needed to accommodate M4A (i.e. the MIC, vulture capitalists, etc.).

 

I suppose one could even make a Lenin-esque “worse is better” tactical argument that voting Republican instead of Democrat brings us closer to policies like M4A. I would never go that far because I don’t believe in enabling either of the two major parties. I only advocate for third party pressure until the two main parties respond with substantive anti-establishment policy reforms.

 

Now what if a so-called progressive actually prefers ACA on merit over M4A? Then by all means, they should consider voting Democrat. But then they should also stop calling themselves a “progressive” because “neoliberal” would be more fitting and I’m a stickler for proper labels. Same goes for anyone preferring any perceived incremental improvements on Obamacare. Really, I see nothing more ethical about wasting time rearranging chairs on the Titanic for a few when there’s still a bunch of people on the ship without ring buoys. I’d rather focus on plugging up the gaping hole in the hull.

 

 

Ouch. That post may not have been among my greatest hits, but your words are still hurtful. Whatever. At least I’m not a stupid poopyface doodoohead like you are. Oh and by the way, I don’t care for your socioeconomic elitism. It’s gross and I see way too much of it in this subforum. As a current resident of the popular American trailer park known as Manhattan Island, I think it would be lovely to live in a more rural minimalist setting with less judgmental neighbors and a reasonable cost of living.

 

 

 

Oooh another shout-out to Kay! I crave attention and relish my newfound political supervillain role!

 

So here’s what I recommend instead: ditch your standard American political spectrum line and apply the more traditional Euro-centric economics-based one where the left includes the socialists, the center includes the mixed economy types, and the right includes the classical liberals. This is the line that I believe most world historians use. I find it to be much more illuminating when applied to this wonderful little forum of ours. It puts me somewhat squarely in the center*, you (Mr. Governor) on the far right of the center portion, and much of the rest of the PPP members so far right that a few of them might have accidentally fallen off the line and somehow landed on the very far left (as anarchists, I guess?). Now you see, this kind of illustrates why we can’t have productive health care debates on this forum. This is kind of why a thread about Bernie ends up as an interrogation of your eccentric friend Andy’s life choices.

 

With my deliberately provocative line reframing, we can also see that there are actually very few genuine leftists in American politics and none at the national level. I believe Kshama Sawant from Washington state is the furthest left. Buffalo’s very own aspiring mayor, India Walton, calls herself one, but who knows? Brooklyn’s pride and joy, Julia Salazar and Jabari Brisport, may be among the biggest leftist rising stars in the country. I consider AOC, the Squad, and Bernie as all falling within the left half of the center portion but definitely trending rightward since last March. I’m judging them strictly by their voting records, of course, and not their democratic socialist rhetoric.

 

* - personal fun fact: I know literally hundreds of Bernie Bros. Many of them consider me to be a closet right-winger because I’m open to all sorts of privatized/market-based solutions for social welfare issues (aside from health care). They say I also don’t criticize Trump enough. Go figure.

Yawn

[Governor]

4 hours ago, ComradeKayAdams said:

 

Apologies, Mr. Governor. I should have clarified: whenever I propose M4A, I’m referring specifically to Jayapal’s bill. Her plan includes dental and vision and happens to be slightly more comprehensive than Bernie’s 2020 campaign proposal.

 

Your point of focusing on price control measures is duly noted, but the broader point I’m trying to make here is that no one should be voting for Democratic Party politicians with any expectation that they intend to eventually move the country to universal health care. Yes, I’m even including the Squad. As long as party leaders like Pelosi accept corporate donations, the party’s fundamental agenda will be to remain intrinsically hostile to universal health care. It’s not just the health care insurance industry and their campaign contributions/bribes that are the problem. I’m including any uber-wealthy establishment donor who already has health care and who would stand to lose something from federal budget alterations needed to accommodate M4A (i.e. the MIC, vulture capitalists, etc.).

 

I suppose one could even make a Lenin-esque “worse is better” tactical argument that voting Republican instead of Democrat brings us closer to policies like M4A. I would never go that far because I don’t believe in enabling either of the two major parties. I only advocate for third party pressure until the two main parties respond with substantive anti-establishment policy reforms.

 

Now what if a so-called progressive actually prefers ACA on merit over M4A? Then by all means, they should consider voting Democrat. But then they should also stop calling themselves a “progressive” because “neoliberal” would be more fitting and I’m a stickler for proper labels. Same goes for anyone preferring any perceived incremental improvements on Obamacare. Really, I see nothing more ethical about wasting time rearranging chairs on the Titanic for a few when there’s still a bunch of people on the ship without ring buoys. I’d rather focus on plugging up the gaping hole in the hull.

 

 

Ouch. That post may not have been among my greatest hits, but your words are still hurtful. Whatever. At least I’m not a stupid poopyface doodoohead like you are. Oh and by the way, I don’t care for your socioeconomic elitism. It’s gross and I see way too much of it in this subforum. As a current resident of the popular American trailer park known as Manhattan Island, I think it would be lovely to live in a more rural minimalist setting with less judgmental neighbors and a reasonable cost of living.

 

 

 

Oooh another shout-out to Kay! I crave attention and relish my newfound political supervillain role!

 

So here’s what I recommend instead: ditch your standard American political spectrum line and apply the more traditional Euro-centric economics-based one where the left includes the socialists, the center includes the mixed economy types, and the right includes the classical liberals. This is the line that I believe most world historians use. I find it to be much more illuminating when applied to this wonderful little forum of ours. It puts me somewhat squarely in the center*, you (Mr. Governor) on the far right of the center portion, and much of the rest of the PPP members so far right that a few of them might have accidentally fallen off the line and somehow landed on the very far left (as anarchists, I guess?). Now you see, this kind of illustrates why we can’t have productive health care debates on this forum. This is kind of why a thread about Bernie ends up as an interrogation of your eccentric friend Andy’s life choices.

 

With my deliberately provocative line reframing, we can also see that there are actually very few genuine leftists in American politics and none at the national level. I believe Kshama Sawant from Washington state is the furthest left. Buffalo’s very own aspiring mayor, India Walton, calls herself one, but who knows? Brooklyn’s pride and joy, Julia Salazar and Jabari Brisport, may be among the biggest leftist rising stars in the country. I consider AOC, the Squad, and Bernie as all falling within the left half of the center portion but definitely trending rightward since last March. I’m judging them strictly by their voting records, of course, and not their democratic socialist rhetoric.

 

* - personal fun fact: I know literally hundreds of Bernie Bros. Many of them consider me to be a closet right-winger because I’m open to all sorts of privatized/market-based solutions for social welfare issues (aside from health care). They say I also don’t criticize Trump enough. Go figure.

Andy’s story angers them doesn’t it? I knew it would.

 

So, what is your problem with AOC? Do you just feel that the office itself and her committee position has already corrupted her? Well, that’s why Nancy stuck her there. Ha!

 

Personally, I think she’s just growing and learning to legislate. She’s a pretty quick study.

 

I don’t think the HC system can be fixed. I have 2 friends with colon cancer, one 48 and the other 70, and I’m just blown away by how it’s designed. They both received totally different care based on their age. It’s as if the “system” doesn’t value the 70 year old since he’s no longer a productive labor unit.  It’s absolutely insane. I don’t think I could ever willingly partake in that.

Edited August 17, 2021 by Governor

[Chef Jim]

6 hours ago, Governor said:

Andy’s story angers them doesn’t it? I knew it would.

 

 

What angers me are financial simpletons like yourself that feel a million dollars will just last forever.  Here's your financial dunce cap. 

[SoCal Deek]

9 hours ago, Governor said:

Andy’s story angers them doesn’t it? I knew it would.

 

So, what is your problem with AOC? Do you just feel that the office itself and her committee position has already corrupted her? Well, that’s why Nancy stuck her there. Ha!

 

Personally, I think she’s just growing and learning to legislate. She’s a pretty quick study.

 

I don’t think the HC system can be fixed. I have 2 friends with colon cancer, one 48 and the other 70, and I’m just blown away by how it’s designed. They both received totally different care based on their age. It’s as if the “system” doesn’t value the 70 year old since he’s no longer a productive labor unit.  It’s absolutely insane. I don’t think I could ever willingly partake in that.

You’re a very odd sort. Might I suggest you find a country that better suits your lifestyle? I really mean that, and I’m not trying be harsh. People are very mobile these days. You’re extremely committed to a lifestyle that sooner or later is going to require a tremendous safety net to support your utter lack of planning and your self described abhorrence to putting in the work. I don’t hold that against you. But there’s gotta be a country that better suits your goals. No? New Jersey can’t possibly be your heaven on earth…even if the license plates describe it as the Garden State. 

[Irv]

I’d take Bernie and is socialist buddies at this point over Demented Biden.  Dude is on vacation while thousands in Afghanistan are about to be behead and we are becoming the laughingstock of the world.  What a mess.  

[ComradeKayAdams]

On 8/17/2021 at 12:18 PM, Governor said:

Andy’s story angers them doesn’t it? I knew it would.

 

So, what is your problem with AOC? Do you just feel that the office itself and her committee position has already corrupted her? Well, that’s why Nancy stuck her there. Ha!

 

Personally, I think she’s just growing and learning to legislate. She’s a pretty quick study.

 

I don’t think the HC system can be fixed. I have 2 friends with colon cancer, one 48 and the other 70, and I’m just blown away by how it’s designed. They both received totally different care based on their age. It’s as if the “system” doesn’t value the 70 year old since he’s no longer a productive labor unit.  It’s absolutely insane. I don’t think I could ever willingly partake in that.

 

Three points:

 

1. I’m really sorry to hear about your two friends with colon cancer. I hope things work out okay for them??

 

2. Yes, Andy’s story to right-wingers is like catnip to my feline friends. Remember that these are people who attribute morality to labor supply-demand curves. Dear Andy was an entertaining plot twist in a thread otherwise barraged with dull “Bernie Bro = lazy freeloader” insults.

 

3. My problem with AOC is that she hardly puts up a fight anymore on the issues on which she ran back in 2018. NYC wanted a feisty social democrat who would use impassioned socialism-inspired language to persuade voters and colleagues alike. Nowadays, she’s behaving more like an Elizabeth Warren-esque SJW progressive afraid of challenging neoliberal establishment figures on key economics+foreign policy issues.

 

Truthfully? I don’t know whether AOC has become corrupt, whether her inability to fight anymore is a matter of personality, or whether she’s playing some kind of clever long game with the centrist Dems and is biding her time until enough far-left comrades join the House. I wanted her on the Energy and Commerce Committee. Will playing nice with the neolibs eventually get her that spot? I don’t think so, but…maybe?

 

My leading suspicion is that she HAS become corrupt in the sense that she no longer wants to do anything to disturb her new six-figure career and her national fame. The Democratic Party, after all, has many “arrows in their quiver” for any member who chooses to go off the Dem reservation (see: Tulsi Gabbard, 2016-2020). AOC seems only willing to do (a.k.a. tweet) the bare minimum anymore to maintain her credentials as America’s Socialist Barbie. Harsh words, but that’s how I feel. This is Commie Kay unfiltered for ya.

[SoCal Deek]

29 minutes ago, ComradeKayAdams said:

 

Three points:

 

1. I’m really sorry to hear about your two friends with colon cancer. I hope things work out okay for them??

 

2. Yes, Andy’s story to right-wingers is like catnip to my feline friends. Remember that these are people who attribute morality to labor supply-demand curves. Dear Andy was an entertaining plot twist in a thread otherwise barraged with dull “Bernie Bro = lazy freeloader” insults.

 

3. My problem with AOC is that she hardly puts up a fight anymore on the issues on which she ran back in 2018. NYC wanted a feisty social democrat who would use impassioned socialism-inspired language to persuade voters and colleagues alike. Nowadays, she’s behaving more like an Elizabeth Warren-esque SJW progressive afraid of challenging neoliberal establishment figures on key economics+foreign policy issues.

 

Truthfully? I don’t know whether AOC has become corrupt, whether her inability to fight anymore is a matter of personality, or whether she’s playing some kind of clever long game with the centrist Dems and is biding her time until enough far-left comrades join the House. I wanted her on the Energy and Commerce Committee. Will playing nice with the neolibs eventually get her that spot? I don’t think so, but…maybe?

 

My leading suspicion is that she HAS become corrupt in the sense that she no longer wants to do anything to disturb her new six-figure career and her national fame. The Democratic Party, after all, has many “arrows in their quiver” for any member who chooses to go off the Dem reservation (see: Tulsi Gabbard, 2016-2020). AOC seems only willing to do (a.k.a. tweet) the bare minimum anymore to maintain her credentials as America’s Socialist Barbie. Harsh words, but that’s how I feel. This is Commie Kay unfiltered for ya.

Kay

You know I kid you all the time about the length of your posts but I have to give you credit here for at least organizing your many thoughts into bullet points. Much easier to read than your normal manifesto. Well done!

Now as regards AOC, you really didn’t see this coming? She is young, naive and is now thoroughly corrupted by the spotlight. (Just like Fauci.) It happens to virtually all of these young warriors when they wade into The Swamp. A few three martini lunches with wealthy lobbyists, a staff full of adoring fans, and television/fashion media following you around all day long will do that to you. Happens every time. 

[Governor]

I just want everyone to know that Andy’s story is 100 percent true.

 

I suggest you watch a film called “The White Ribbon.”

 

Afterwards, think about when you were growing up. Revisit these threads and notice some of the behavior you see.
 

In the coming months, I’ll try to track down Andy and get an update on his situation.

[Governor]

6 hours ago, ComradeKayAdams said:

 

Three points:

 

1. I’m really sorry to hear about your two friends with colon cancer. I hope things work out okay for them??

 

2. Yes, Andy’s story to right-wingers is like catnip to my feline friends. Remember that these are people who attribute morality to labor supply-demand curves. Dear Andy was an entertaining plot twist in a thread otherwise barraged with dull “Bernie Bro = lazy freeloader” insults.

 

3. My problem with AOC is that she hardly puts up a fight anymore on the issues on which she ran back in 2018. NYC wanted a feisty social democrat who would use impassioned socialism-inspired language to persuade voters and colleagues alike. Nowadays, she’s behaving more like an Elizabeth Warren-esque SJW progressive afraid of challenging neoliberal establishment figures on key economics+foreign policy issues.

 

Truthfully? I don’t know whether AOC has become corrupt, whether her inability to fight anymore is a matter of personality, or whether she’s playing some kind of clever long game with the centrist Dems and is biding her time until enough far-left comrades join the House. I wanted her on the Energy and Commerce Committee. Will playing nice with the neolibs eventually get her that spot? I don’t think so, but…maybe?

 

My leading suspicion is that she HAS become corrupt in the sense that she no longer wants to do anything to disturb her new six-figure career and her national fame. The Democratic Party, after all, has many “arrows in their quiver” for any member who chooses to go off the Dem reservation (see: Tulsi Gabbard, 2016-2020). AOC seems only willing to do (a.k.a. tweet) the bare minimum anymore to maintain her credentials as America’s Socialist Barbie. Harsh words, but that’s how I feel. This is Commie Kay unfiltered for ya.

I think Progressives need to keep things in perspective. Biden has been successful because he’s been taking hits from his right and also his left from the Squad.

 

That’s exactly where he wants to be. It’s a game they’re playing. He’s able to appear center to most voters.

 

But is Joe actually in the center? So far, not at all. He’s governed left of center.

 
Obama was a true centrist. Yuck gross!

 

If Biden is in the center, Obama would be a right-wing extremist militia leader from Illinois.

[SoCal Deek]

42 minutes ago, Governor said:

I think Progressives need to keep things in perspective. Biden has been successful because he’s been taking hits from his right and also his left from the Squad.

 

That’s exactly where he wants to be. It’s a game they’re playing. He’s able to appear center to most voters.

 

But is Joe actually in the center? So far, not at all. He’s governed left of center.

 
Obama was a true centrist. Yuck gross!

 

If Biden is in the center, Obama would be a right-wing extremist militia leader from Illinois.

Biden doesn’t have a clue where he is in relation to right left or center. You give him way too much credit. He ran on a platform of nothing and is governing the same way. If it appears he’s a centrist it’s because even a broken clock is right twice a day.

[Chef Jim]

5 hours ago, Governor said:

I just want everyone to know that Andy’s story is 100 percent true.

 

I suggest you watch a film called “The White Ribbon.”

 

Afterwards, think about when you were growing up. Revisit these threads and notice some of the behavior you see.
 

In the coming months, I’ll try to track down Andy and get an update on his situation.

 

Andy has a very high probability of running out of money before running out of life.  Your tax dollars will take care of his lazy ass.  

 

Track him down all you want.  It's not his current situation that will likely ***** him.  It's his future situation. 

 

[SoCal Deek]

37 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Andy has a very high probability of running out of money before running out of life.  Your tax dollars will take care of his lazy ass.  

 

Track him down all you want.  It's not his current situation that will likely ***** him.  It's his future situation. 

 

It all comes back to the Ant and the Grasshopper 

[Governor]

49 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Andy has a very high probability of running out of money before running out of life.  Your tax dollars will take care of his lazy ass.  

 

Track him down all you want.  It's not his current situation that will likely ***** him.  It's his future situation. 

 

Because of “The Great Reset?”

[Chef Jim]

2 minutes ago, Governor said:

Because of “The Great Reset?”

 

Nope.  I've already told you why.  The never ending erosion of his purchasing power.  At what age did he get the million? 

[Governor]

20 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Nope.  I've already told you why.  The never ending erosion of his purchasing power.  At what age did he get the million? 

Is a French Dip the same as a Beef on Weck?

[Chef Jim]

4 minutes ago, Governor said:

Is a French Dip the same as a Beef on Weck?

Yes. They are both sandwiches. 

[ComradeKayAdams]

16 hours ago, Governor said:

I think Progressives need to keep things in perspective. Biden has been successful because he’s been taking hits from his right and also his left from the Squad.

 

That’s exactly where he wants to be. It’s a game they’re playing. He’s able to appear center to most voters.

 

But is Joe actually in the center? So far, not at all. He’s governed left of center.

 
Obama was a true centrist. Yuck gross!

 

If Biden is in the center, Obama would be a right-wing extremist militia leader from Illinois.

 

I don’t know what exactly the American center is at the moment, but I am very familiar with the progressive center*. Biden is definitively to the right of it on almost every hot issue: Paris Agreement efforts, green infrastructure efforts, military budget, American imperialism foreign policy, Wall Street regulation, $15 minimum wage, health care, student debt relief, protections for both tenants and landlords during COVID, COVID UBI, reparations, filibuster, court packing, ranked choice voting, marijuana legality, police reform, etc.

 

Any PPP reader who thinks Biden has been adequately far-left on any of these issues is either personally far to the right of Biden on them, a Democratic Party loyalist, or someone who perhaps doesn’t fully understand the composition and demands of the modern progressive movement**. Also please note that I’m not necessarily advocating for all of the aforementioned far-left positions, and so I’m not necessarily arguing that Biden was wrong to not cave to the far-left on them. Also, yes I do understand the compromising nature of politics.

 

My argument is simply that Biden has the power of executive order plus a majority of the House and Senate, so he could have achieved a lot more than he did if he was actually a far-leftist (by American standards) in his heart. Or if Bernie was the man behind the curtain pulling Joe’s strings. Or if the Squad knew how (or wanted??) to consolidate their power as a unified voting bloc and extract useful progressive concessions.

 

* - a standard social democrat center, flanked by socialists and communists to the left and the SJW pro-imperialism fauxgressives to the right.

 

** - Kay’s progressive credentials: volunteer worker on Bernie’s campaign in 2016 and 2020, volunteer on a few other local/state political campaigns in the NYC area.

[Governor]

Jon Tester and Michael Bennet would be considered center on the present political spectrum.

 

Biden is to the left of those two.

Rep. Mikie Sherrill (NJ) is/poses as a centrist.
 

She’s my Rep. in an evenly split district. Not that long ago, my district was strongly red. As demographics continue to shift, the country is inching it’s way left.

 

 

Edited August 20, 2021 by Governor