Tiberius Posted January 31, 2023 Author Share Posted January 31, 2023 Don't teach that slavery caused the civil war! Even though it was the cause, but snow flakes will meltĀ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 31, 2023 Author Share Posted January 31, 2023 3 minutes ago, B-Man said: Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā . False equivalencyĀ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 12 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Don't teach that slavery caused the civil war! Even though it was the cause, but snow flakes will meltĀ Ā Ā False. Ā In every way possible. Ā It IS being taught. Ā Always has, always will. Ā But you keep up your fake narrative. Ā It is all you have. Ā š Ā 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 Wonder if CRT even touches on the pre clovis people that were here prior to the land bridge being walkable?Ā what happened to them? Ā the 1619 project was full of large inaccuracies.Ā Eff, the entire premise is the revolution and everything since was about protecting slavery.Ā Ā CRT is based off that. Ā The interesting part is the people that promote that, are usually very well off and lack diversity.Ā Ie, folks likeĀ Robin DiAngelo and Nikole Hanna-Jones.Ā (Educated in Cuba, taught propaganda at pro publica.)Ā folks talk diversity. but they mean race and sex. never diversity of thought or experience. Ā Ā "From 2008 to 2009, the investigative journalist received a fellowship from the Institute for Advanced Journalism Studies which enabled her to travel to Cuba to study universal healthcare and Cubaās educational system under Raul Castro." Ā This is just one of the many articles debating the entire premise of the 1619 project. Ā https://nypost.com/2020/03/14/new-york-times-corrects-the-1619-project-but-its-still-a-giant-lie/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: Don't teach that slavery caused the civil war! Even though it was the cause, but snow flakes will meltĀ Iām dying to hear what you were taught about the Civil War. It mustāve been fascinating.Ā 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 31, 2023 Author Share Posted January 31, 2023 2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Iām dying to hear what you were taught about the Civil War. It mustāve been fascinating.Ā Well... Ā Where would you want to start?Ā Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 1 minute ago, Tiberius said: Well... Ā Where would you want to start?Ā The part where its about slavery. Ā Ā Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 1 minute ago, Tiberius said: Well... Ā Where would you want to start?Ā Iāll let you startā¦.after all it was your education that youāre citing. Let me guess: You were taught the war was fought over Ukraine?Ā 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 Just now, SoCal Deek said: Iāll let you startā¦.after all it was your education that youāre citing. Let me guess: You were taught the war was fought over Ukraine?Ā Dont you know, it was always about theĀ Halupki,Ā Pirozhki, Paska andĀ Borscht.Ā Its always been about the Borscht Ā Ā Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 31, 2023 Author Share Posted January 31, 2023 24 minutes ago, Chris farley said: The part where its about slavery. Ā Ā The Compromises over slavery that averted the war prior to the war...Buffalo history in there!Ā Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 5 minutes ago, Tiberius said: The Compromises over slavery that averted the war prior to the war...Buffalo history in there!Ā So the war was almost fought prior, over slavery.Ā Ā then was finally fought over?????? Ā Ā Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlBUNDY4TDS Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 6 minutes ago, Tiberius said: The Compromises over slavery that averted the war prior to the war...Buffalo history in there!Ā Where did u go to school? Serious question?Ā 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 7 minutes ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said: Where did u go to school? Serious question?Ā Hintā¦.Donāt expect a serious answer.Ā 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 31, 2023 Author Share Posted January 31, 2023 11 minutes ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said: Where did u go to school? Serious question?Ā None on your businessĀ 13 minutes ago, Chris farley said: So the war was almost fought prior, over slavery.Ā Ā then was finally fought over?????? Ā Ā Ya, the south was threatening war for a while, the north finally go sick of itĀ Ā And yes, over slaveryĀ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 1 minute ago, Tiberius said: None on your businessĀ Oh come on!Ā 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 31, 2023 Author Share Posted January 31, 2023 44 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Iāll let you startā¦.after all it was your education that youāre citing. Let me guess: You were taught the war was fought over Ukraine?Ā This is suppose to be serious?Ā Just now, SoCal Deek said: Oh come on!Ā Nope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 31, 2023 Author Share Posted January 31, 2023 I only took one class on the Civil War, actually. I have done my own secondary and primary research. And that I did after I left collegeĀ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: I only took one class on the Civil War, actually. I have done my own secondary and primary research. And that I did after I left collegeĀ So you werenāt actually taught any of these alternative Civil War theories? You simply made up the fact that you werenāt taught about slavery? Oh brother. Carry on!Ā 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said: So you werenāt actually taught any of these alternative Civil War theories? You simply made up the fact that you werenāt taught about slavery? Oh brother. Carry on!Ā Any by secondary and primary research. it means MSNBC, NYT and some you tube video. Ā Ā 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 31, 2023 Author Share Posted January 31, 2023 10 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: So you werenāt actually taught any of these alternative Civil War theories? You simply made up the fact that you werenāt taught about slavery? Oh brother. Carry on!Ā The class was a historiography class on the causes of the Civil WarĀ Ā Ā Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 Ā Ā Back to the thread: Ā Ā REMINDER: Ā Ā 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SoCal Deek Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 18 minutes ago, Tiberius said: The class was a historiography class on the causes of the Civil WarĀ Ā Ā And this class taught you what exactly? Because Iām pretty darn sure the rest of us learned about slavery and the Civil War back in high school. Maybe you skipped that year?Ā 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 31, 2023 Author Share Posted January 31, 2023 40 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: And this class taught you what exactly? Because Iām pretty darn sure the rest of us learned about slavery and the Civil War back in high school. Maybe you skipped that year?Ā The history of the history of the war. Different eras had different interpretations that were stressed.Ā Ā You are darn sure about what?Ā 54 minutes ago, Chris farley said: and that culminated in the civil war being about slavery and slavery alone?Ā Ā Ā Ā Primary cause was obviously slavery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: The history of the history of the war. Different eras had different interpretations that were stressed.Ā Ā You are darn sure about what?Ā Primary cause was obviously slavery And that supposed evolution of interpretation taught you what exactly? Iām no spring chicken anymore and even I was there when they mentioned slavery when teaching about the civil war. Iām really curious how old you are?Ā 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 Ā Ā DONāT KNOW MUCH ABOUT HISTORY:Ā Ā Huluās 1619 Project Docuseries Peddles False History. Ā The first episode paints an enslaver, plantation master, and Royalist autocrat as a leading and even celebrated agent of emancipation. Ā Ā In the past three years, theĀ TimesĀ has grappled with the fallout from Hannah-Jones' assertion, including the revelation that it ignored its ownĀ fact-checker's warningsĀ against printing the charge. TheĀ TimesĀ tempered its language to apply to "some of" the colonists, only to see it reasserted by Hannah-Jones in her public commentaries. Later, a related line about the Project's goal of replacing 1776 with a "true founding" of 1619Ā disappeared without noticeĀ from theĀ Times' website. The newspaper found itself in a balancing act between its writer's uncompromising positions and the need to preserve credibility as it made a Pulitzer Prize bid with the series. But Hannah-Jones was not ready to abandon the claim at the center of her lead essay, and the first episode of the Hulu series makes that abundantly clear. Ā https://reason.com/2023/01/31/hulus-1619-project-docuseries-peddles-false-history/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 Ā Ā Must be brainwashed,Ā right? Ā Ā Ā Ā 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 On 2/1/2023 at 2:11 PM, B-Man said: DONāT KNOW MUCH šÆ Ā Ā Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 Ā Ā The overbearing tone of this propaganda of this is fine, it is just what you would expect. Ā BUT the LIES are not what you can overlook. Ā You don't get to make up a fake history to push your viewpoint. Ā Ā Ā 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 18 minutes ago, B-Man said: Ā Ā The overbearing tone of this propaganda of this is fine, it is just what you would expect. Ā BUT the LIES are not what you can overlook. Ā You don't get to make up a fake history to push your viewpoint. Ā Ā Ā SMH, Disney https://cslabornews.org/2022/05/11/disney/#:~:text=Disneyās products available in stores are made in,these young children tend to be very dangerous. Ā Disneyās products available in stores are made inĀ sweatshopsĀ using child labor. Disney breaches local labor laws, oppresses Chinese workers, forces staff to do three times the amount of work they should, and drives them to suicide. These sweatshops and labor spots for these young children tend to be very dangerous. Ā Won't even get into how they union bust and pay the very lowest wages possible for the majority of their employees.Ā average wages of 13K a year. Ā https://www.jwj.org/disney-world-is-anything-but-magical-for-its-employees#:~:text=Given Disneyās profits%2C it may come as a,Disney paying as little as %2413%2C000 per year. Ā Ā Ā Ā Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 6, 2023 Author Share Posted February 6, 2023 43 minutes ago, B-Man said: Ā Ā The overbearing tone of this propaganda of this is fine, it is just what you would expect. Ā BUT the LIES are not what you can overlook. Ā You don't get to make up a fake history to push your viewpoint. Ā Ā Ā Give me an example of specific lies, pleaseĀ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 Ā Ā Ā Ā JEFF JACOBY:Ā Ā Weāve been paying reparationsĀ for almost sixty years. Ā Ā Thatās what LBJās War on Poverty was supposed to be, Ā https://jeffjacoby.com/26733/the-deeply-flawed-campaign-for-racial-reparations Ā Ā Ā FTA: Ā To everything there is a season, as sages fromĀ EcclesiastesĀ toĀ the ByrdsĀ have observed, and the time for slavery reparations was when those who suffered enslavement could still be compensated. It is tragic that Gen. William Tecumseh Sherman'sĀ 1865 orderĀ to distribute 40-acre plots of land to the formerly enslaved was never implemented across the South. The collapse of Reconstruction a decade later in the face of massive Southern resistance is one of the bitterest calamities of American history. But no white American living today bears any responsibility for the cruelties of that era. No Black American living today suffered those cruelties. Ā For exactly that reason, the greatĀ civil rights leader Bayard RustinĀ ā the organizer of the 1963 March on Washington and a close adviser to Martin Luther King, Jr. āĀ rejected calls for reparations as "ridiculous."Ā He regarded Forman's demand for $500 million as demeaning. "If my great-grandfather picked cotton for 50 years, thenĀ heĀ may deserve some money," Rustin said, "but he's dead and gone and nobody owes me anything." Ā Ā https://jeffjacoby.com/26733/the-deeply-flawed-campaign-for-racial-reparations 11 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Give me an example of specific lies, pleaseĀ Ā Ā No. Ā There are multiple lies there, open your eyes Ā You have already proven your disregard for the truth. Ā I will waste no time on your posts other than to laugh and point out the flaws Ā Ā (Tibs response:Ā So you can't point out anything)Ā Ā LOL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 6, 2023 Author Share Posted February 6, 2023 3 minutes ago, B-Man said: Ā Ā Ā Ā JEFF JACOBY:Ā Ā Weāve been paying reparationsĀ for almost sixty years. Ā Ā Thatās what LBJās War on Poverty was supposed to be, Ā https://jeffjacoby.com/26733/the-deeply-flawed-campaign-for-racial-reparations Ā Ā Ā FTA: Ā To everything there is a season, as sages fromĀ EcclesiastesĀ toĀ the ByrdsĀ have observed, and the time for slavery reparations was when those who suffered enslavement could still be compensated. It is tragic that Gen. William Tecumseh Sherman'sĀ 1865 orderĀ to distribute 40-acre plots of land to the formerly enslaved was never implemented across the South. The collapse of Reconstruction a decade later in the face of massive Southern resistance is one of the bitterest calamities of American history. But no white American living today bears any responsibility for the cruelties of that era. No Black American living today suffered those cruelties. Ā For exactly that reason, the greatĀ civil rights leader Bayard RustinĀ ā the organizer of the 1963 March on Washington and a close adviser to Martin Luther King, Jr. āĀ rejected calls for reparations as "ridiculous."Ā He regarded Forman's demand for $500 million as demeaning. "If my great-grandfather picked cotton for 50 years, thenĀ heĀ may deserve some money," Rustin said, "but he's dead and gone and nobody owes me anything." Ā Ā https://jeffjacoby.com/26733/the-deeply-flawed-campaign-for-racial-reparations Ā Ā No. Ā There are multiple lies there, open your eyes Ā You have already proven your disregard for the truth. Ā I will waste no time on your posts other than to laugh and point out the flaws Ā Ā (Tibs response:Ā So you can't point out anything)Ā Ā LOL So you can't point out anything!Ā Ā You forgot the exclamation point!Ā 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 Ā Ā Ā You know what ? Ā I'm in a good mood today, why not indulge Tibsy's childishness. Ā Ā There are several problems here, beginning with the fact that itās just incredibly divisive and harmful to teach children eight generations removed from slavery that they are oppressed victims due to the suffering of their ancestors. Ā Anyone who watches that clip and is impressionable is going to walk away thinking they have a right to be angry at and punish those that donāt look like them. Personally, I think thatās a pretty screwed-up thing to teach children. Ā Itās not just the top-level result of such content that is the issue, though. Itās also that many of the claims being made are just flatly untrue. Ā It is a grossly inaccurate simplification of American history to teach kids that āSlaves built this country.ā Slavery contributed to parts of the early economy in the United States, but it did not build the country into what it is today (or even what it was a hundred years ago). Ā Why? Because slavery is an evil, atrophying institution that stunts the growth of a nation instead of accelerating it. In the case of the United States, it locked generations of slaves and non-slaves alike in abject poverty. Slaves were obviously not paid while their forced labor then crushed the market for the labor of non-slaves. Compounding the situation, because most slaves werenāt allowed to be educated and the vast majority of non-slaves at the time were so poor they couldnāt afford to be, generations of advancement were lost across the board. Ā Slavery was not good. It had no redeeming qualities. It did not ābuild this country.ā Instead, those who perpetrated it mired the country in place for decades for the benefit of a very select few. It wasnāt until after the Civil War and the abolition of slavery that the United States actually began its march to global dominance beginning with the industrial revolution. Ā Lastly, even if one wants to ignore everything Iāve just written, the āSlaves built this countryā line also suffers from a math problem. There were a little over three million slaves in the United States in 1850 (the last pre-war census taken). In comparison. there were 23 million Americans in total. Ā Non-slave-owning adults made up the vast majority of that number and almost all of them worked hard labor jobs in relative squalor, with the largest populations of people residing in non-slave states. In other words, they also ābuilt this country,ā and it does not downplay slavery to admit that context. Ā It is cut-and-paste Critical Race Theory, straight out of the ridiculous and false ā1619 Project,ā to teach children that slavery was the deciding factor in Americaās success and that because of that, those who had no part in it are actually part of a systemic conspiracy of oppression. Ā It is a cynical attempt at personal gain by some in modern society that actually ends up glorifying a grotesque institution. If thatās what Disney wants to promote, then parents should vote with their wallets. Letting kids be kids is apparently not a priority for The Mouse. Ā https://redstate.com/bonchie/2023/02/06/new-disney-cartoon-on-slavery-may-be-the-wokest-thing-ive-ever-seen-n699242 Ā Ā . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 6, 2023 Author Share Posted February 6, 2023 37 minutes ago, B-Man said: Ā Ā Ā You know what ? Ā I'm in a good mood today, why not indulge Tibsy's childishness. Ā Ā It is a grossly inaccurate simplification of American history to teach kids that āSlaves built this country.ā Slavery contributed to parts of the early economy in the United States, but it did not build the country into what it is today (or even what it was a hundred years ago). Ā Why? Because slavery is an evil, atrophying institution that stunts the growth of a nation instead of accelerating it. In the case of the United States, it locked generations of slaves and non-slaves alike in abject poverty. Slaves were obviously not paid while their forced labor then crushed the market for the labor of non-slaves. Compounding the situation, because most slaves werenāt allowed to be educated and the vast majority of non-slaves at the time were so poor they couldnāt afford to be, generations of advancement were lost across the board.Ā Ā Ā . I'd like to handle this in parts because you make a lot of interesting points. First, you are childish, not me. I can write for myself and not just cut and paste. So there's your insult back,Ā Ā That is a simplification to say that, but cotton was the most profitable part of the economy leading up to the war---but our section of the country was catching up fast with the grain trade through Buffalo from the Old North West. I love the part you provided about how bad slavery was for whites and blacks. So true, just a degrading systemĀ Ā It should be added that racism kept poor whites poor by giving them a sense that though poor, at least they had it better than blacks who had almost no chance of advancement. Racism was used to divide the poorĀ Ā 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 6, 2023 Author Share Posted February 6, 2023 46 minutes ago, B-Man said: Ā Ā Slavery was not good. It had no redeeming qualities. It did not ābuild this country.ā Instead, those who perpetrated it mired the country in place for decades for the benefit of a very select few. It wasnāt until after the Civil War and the abolition of slavery that the United States actually began its march to global dominance beginning with the industrial revolution. Ā Ā Ā . Not completely true. The opening of the Erie Canal and other advances--steamboats, railroads, and many others inventions--started the nation towards industrialization, look up Market Revolution. Buffalo had over 500 manufacturing concerns by 1860Ā 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 6, 2023 Author Share Posted February 6, 2023 Slavery is not good... Ā https://qz.com/1273998/for-10-years-students-from-texas-have-been-using-a-history-textbook-that-says-not-all-slaves-were-unhappy Ā That needs to be taught, not this nonsense that there was a good side to slavery. Remember, the south used to preach that slavery was a blessing of godĀ 57 minutes ago, B-Man said: Ā Ā Lastly, even if one wants to ignore everything Iāve just written, the āSlaves built this countryā line also suffers from a math problem. There were a little over three million slaves in the United States in 1850 (the last pre-war census taken). In comparison. there were 23 million Americans in total. Ā Non-slave-owning adults made up the vast majority of that number and almost all of them worked hard labor jobs in relative squalor, with the largest populations of people residing in non-slave states. In other words, they also ābuilt this country,ā and it does not downplay slavery to admit that context. Ā It is cut-and-paste Critical Race Theory, straight out of the ridiculous and false ā1619 Project,ā to teach children that slavery was the deciding factor in Americaās success and that because of that, those who had no part in it are actually part of a systemic conspiracy of oppression. Ā It is a cynical attempt at personal gain by some in modern society that actually ends up glorifying a grotesque institution. If thatās what Disney wants to promote, then parents should vote with their wallets. Letting kids be kids is apparently not a priority for The Mouse. Ā https://redstate.com/bonchie/2023/02/06/new-disney-cartoon-on-slavery-may-be-the-wokest-thing-ive-ever-seen-n699242 Ā Ā . That's good and all, but apply numbers of slaves to states like South Carolina and Mississippi, both states had a majority of people there enslaved. Those states led the south out of the Union. Did slaves build South Carolina? Good argument can be made there. Same with the rest of the deep south.Ā Ā Did a pro-slavery racist minorityĀ cause our worst war in American history? YupĀ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tiberius Posted February 6, 2023 Author Share Posted February 6, 2023 10 minutes ago, B-Man said: Ā Ā Ā So no rational response?Ā Ā Interesting, and tellingĀ Just now, Chris farley said: Found this old link to a news article from Fredrick Douglas coming down to Elmira NY, to stump forĀ Ā Republican James A. Garfield Ā Now of days that speech where he stated.Ā "that now the rights of colored man had been given him in their full measure, he should take every means to demonstrate himself worthy of them" would be considered hate speech or racist.Ā Ā https://www.stargazette.com/story/news/local/twin-tiers-roots/2016/02/04/elmira-history-frederick-douglass-visited-city-many-times/79749492/ Ā https://marktwainstudies.com/douglasselmiraadvertiser/ Premature. Blacks slowly had their rights taken away from them as the 19th century wore on. Blacks were elected to congress and at the state level for a few decades, then came Jim Crow. Plessy did not happen until 1896 and that case set a precedence that was followed all through the south and infected the north as wellĀ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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