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a few thoughts about the Chiefs game, in no particular order

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Good points being made.  Here are some thoughts I had as well:

1. Frazier's defensive game plan seemed to be to contain the long passing game of the Chiefs.   Reid saw that and reacted with a running game that made the Bills D look terrible.   I don't remember any long pass attempts by the Chiefs and nothing to Hill.  

2.  It appears like no one on the Bills D-line could beat a one-on-one block nor are they good on containing the pocket.  The Chiefs did not need to double team anyone.  

3.  Because of observation 2, Edmunds looked far worse than he actually was.  It appears he's taken a step back from last year, but what's happened is that the D-Line is not cleaning up in front of the LB's and there is always at least one blocker getting to the second level, making it harder to make plays.  

4.  Missing Person Report:  Has anyone seen or heard from Micah Hyde in the last two games.  It seems like Frazier has him lining up so deep off the line of scrimmage that you don't even see him on the screen.  I don't remember hearing his name called even once.

5.  On a positive note, Josh Allen moves around in the pocket very well.  He moves to side step rushers and keeps his focus down the field.  

6.  Even the most die hard Bills fan could not complain about the referee calls yesterday.  The Bills seemed to get the breaks on the calls and were not heavily penalized.  There were two personal fouls later in the game and those were well deserved.  I am not sure what Poyer and Norman were thinking.

7.  The good news: The Bills are still in control of the AFC East and with wins within the division they will win it.  The Jets are "losing for Lawerence" and I think we can handle both the Pats and Dolphins.  

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21 minutes ago, VirginiaMike said:

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6.  Even the most die hard Bills fan could not complain about the referee calls yesterday.  The Bills seemed to get the breaks on the calls and were not heavily penalized.  There were two personal fouls later in the game and those were well deserved.  I am not sure what Poyer and Norman were thinking.

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Regarding 6 it was White not Norman. Those penalties were terrible and undisciplined.

 

Belichek benches you for crap like that.  

 

On another note, if that knee wasn't down, Bills have a chance to go up late vs the SB champs. As badly as they played, it was not out of reach like Titans game. 

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9 hours ago, Virgil said:

 

10 - McD - Two teams walked onto the field with what appeared to be similar game plans for tonight.  I'd argue that both teams match up well with rosters, but one team just punched the other in the mouth in the trenches.  Allen didn't have it for the 2nd week in a row.  Multiple personal fouls after the play was over.  

I am glad that you mentioned this. Those two late hit penalties were flagrant and stupid. The Bills are very good imo, but not good enough to get away with stupid mistakes, especially against Mahomes. I think that this should be part of the "process" that McDermott acts as if he invented.

 

I could easily be wrong, bit I suspect that McDermott went with the "play not to lose" mentality because he didn't want to get blown out by the quarterback that he traded away for a defensive back. I suggest this as a possibility, not fact.

 

I'm not very worried. Call me crazy but imo, this is a solid playoff team.

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9 hours ago, Figster said:

I'm also not worried about Allen. Hearing Aikman and then Terry Bradshaws comments at halftme was infuriating.

 

Clearly the weather played a part, but by all means lets judge Josh Allen long term on one game and remind everyone how you can never fix accuracy problems.

 

What a douche bag...

 

Thanks Virgil


Yeah, as I said elsewhere, this coming from a guy with a career 52% completion percentage.  Rules were different back then but I’m just saying.

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8 hours ago, WideNine said:

 

He's been a bit shakey since the shoulder ding, and has gone up against NE styled defenses that definitely seem to throw him off his game...

 

If there is just a half-second hesitation it is all it takes for a completion to become a miss, or an open window to close.

 

A complimentary running game of any sort would be helpful as teams are not even trying to bite on play action or bring their safeties up to the line. We suck that bad just moving guys with our line.

 

I do think with the way the defense has been playing, that Allen is struggling mentally with the idea of carrying this team

 

He is not ready yet, but I did not see the panic dumb-mistakes "bad" Allen with no-look laterals surface. Sure he chucked one up for grabs near the end, but the game was over and just waiting on the fat lady at that point.

 

There is a gap between us and the best teams in the league. We know what that looks like now.

 

 

 

 

 

 


I find this to be a wholly reasonable take...quick, say something irrational so that I know I’m in the right place 🤣

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42 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

I am glad that you mentioned this. Those two late hit penalties were flagrant and stupid. The Bills are very good imo, but not good enough to get away with stupid mistakes, especially against Mahomes. I think that this should be part of the "process" that McDermott acts as if he invented.

 

I could easily be wrong, bit I suspect that McDermott went with the "play not to lose" mentality because he didn't want to get blown out by the quarterback that he traded away for a defensive back. I suggest this as a possibility, not fact.

 

I'm not very worried. Call me crazy but imo, this is a solid playoff team.


They lost last night to the SB champs. If the defense holds on the final drive, Bills get a chance for a game winning drive. If that knee wasn’t down, it’s a short field. If Bass makes the FG, they are within 6 with 90 seconds to go. 
 

As badly as they got mauled on defense, they were actually in the game. The time of possession destroyed them. 

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7 hours ago, AlCowlingsTaxiService said:

Virgil .... you praised edmunds last game and I didn’t see it. What’s you take now?  I think the kid is awful. 


I did what now?  I’d double check that one

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46 minutes ago, shoshin said:


They lost last night to the SB champs. If the defense holds on the final drive, Bills get a chance for a game winning drive. If that knee wasn’t down, it’s a short field. If Bass makes the FG, they are within 6 with 90 seconds to go. 
 

As badly as they got mauled on defense, they were actually in the game. The time of possession destroyed them. 

Yes and the 2 late hit penalties really did hurt us in TOP, and of course cost us 30 yards.

 

As I said, the Bills are very good imo, but not good enough to make dumb mistakes against the SB champs.

 

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11 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

Less swagger and more consistency is what I want from Allen.

 

He has looked terrible 2 games in a row now, after 4 of him looking the MVP.


So which player is he?  Has he progressed?  Regressed?  Who is he?

 

Will he ever reach a reliable, consistent level of performance?  When?

 

 

 

 

 

Sorry but bolded is total nonsense. He has not looked terrible vs Titans. He was very good apart from the INT, still above average or average at worst even with INT. I have no idea where these takes are coming from. 

 

He was bad today (I need to rewatch to consider how bad). Circumstances didn't help him much, but he was not good nevertheless.

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8 hours ago, ColeB said:


Yeah, as I said elsewhere, this coming from a guy with a career 52% completion percentage.  Rules were different back then but I’m just saying.

Another thing about Allen that sets him apart from other QB's when it comes to completion percentage and something the old timer should understand.  Josh Allen drives the football down the field. Not allot of this dink and dunk that pads the stats. Down the field. Just like Big Ben and the Steelers 3rd and forever is never enough to stop them.

 

Let them say what they want. The Buffalo Bills have a superstar in the making and the day will come Allen and Mahomes meet again.

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On 10/20/2020 at 2:07 AM, Not at the table Karlos said:

I’ve been saying it for a while. You can tell just by looking at Josh before the game how he’s gonna play. It’s obvious when he’s nervous. 

 

Saw it also, both games.

I wonder if it translates down throughout the team pre-game.

He looks like he doesn't want to be there, initially.

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On 10/20/2020 at 11:39 AM, Figster said:

Another thing about Allen that sets him apart from other QB's when it comes to completion percentage and something the old timer should understand.  Josh Allen drives the football down the field. Not allot of this dink and dunk that pads the stats. Down the field. Just like Big Ben and the Steelers 3rd and forever is never enough to stop them.

 

Let them say what they want. The Buffalo Bills have a superstar in the making and the day will come Allen and Mahomes meet again.


I just rewatched the opening game vs the Jets.  The play calling, execution and Josh’s accuracy were incredible in the 1st half.  Two receivers step back as for screens, Allen fakes to the one on the right, then throws to Singletary on the left for 10+ yards.

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