Seasons1992 Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 On 7/29/2020 at 10:21 PM, billsfanmiami(oh) said: I think I’ve heard we’re the hottest market in the country Cincinnati and my neighborhood is on line 3 for you............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 2 hours ago, Nextmanup said: WNY is historically one of the most segregated communities in the country. Yup! And... Historically segregated by gender. Big non-coed tradition in WNY when it comes to secondary education Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 On 7/28/2020 at 8:27 PM, Buffalo716 said: williamsville Amherst and East Aurora have been prime real estate in West New York for years It's pretty damn expensive but it's gorgeous ? “Expensive” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: ? “Expensive” For a western NYr it's absolutely expensive That's like an elitist New York City attitude where everybody's making six figures. The average buffalonian makes like $25,000 a year Do you know how much poverty is in the City of Buffalo? The average Joe in Buffalo can't get into those areas Edited July 31, 2020 by Buffalo716 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 On 7/29/2020 at 12:39 PM, teef said: there's always a weird cyclical movement regarding this. maybe 5-6 years ago, everyone was moving back to cities in droves. the reason cited was younger people didn't have the money to buy homes, and didn't want to be bogged down by the daily upkeep as you mentioned. now we see the swing back to more living space. in my area the problem has been with people not moving out. our public school as significantly smaller classes than in the past, mostly because young people can't find housing in the area. once something comes on the market, there's such a steep overbid just to get something average. at some point the older population will age out, and there's should be a significant number of houses available. timing is everything. covid and protest took that move to urban area pendulum and stopped it in its tracks. several major DC HQ corporations were moving into the city to appeal to the millennial work force. First covid... telecommuting has now been proven as viable for lots of jobs it want before. Huge Companies like Siemens just announced that WFH policy is now permanent. It’s happening at PWC, Microsoft, etc. Secondly, even if you are going to go to the office getting into the city with public transportation has lost its appeal. add the downtown riots which are certain to cause city business to move out, and defunding police movement which has been reasonably argued to rise crime, et voila- movement inward has been stopped. Burbs are going to swing back into favor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: For a western NYr it's absolutely expensive That's like an elitist New York City attitude where everybody's making six figures. The average buffalonian makes like $25,000 a year Do you know how much poverty is in the City of Buffalo? The average Joe in Buffalo can't get into those areas yeah. In Rockville MD, it really does manipulate perspective. I’m not elitist by any stretch tho With a profound awareness of my massive number of shortcomings. Average 25k though? I’m seeing median hh income around twice that number in google search. either way, the big irony here is if I bought the same house I have here, monthly cost would be the same. Why? , while housing cost per sqft is half there as compared to here, taxes are 2x. Thus close to the same fixed monthly cost, but half the equity upon liquidation... 2x recurring monthly spend for essentially ‘renting’ imo inferior public services. As a wealth building strategy living in wny loses, unfortunately.... Edited July 31, 2020 by Over 29 years of fanhood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: yeah. In Rockville MD, it really does manipulate perspective. I’m not elitist by any stretch tho With a profound awareness of my massive number of shortcomings. Average 25k though? I’m seeing median hh income around twice that number in google search. either way, the big irony here is if I bought the same house I have here, monthly cost would be the same. Why? , while housing cost per sqft is half there as compared to here, taxes are 2x. End game is same close to the same fixed cost, but half the equity upon liquidation be used more recurring spent money in essentially ‘renting’ the public services. As a wealth building strategy living in wny loses, unfortunately.... In the city the average per person is about 22k. Per family 34,000 I worked in the city for years. the average person there could never buy a house in East Aurora or williamsville. That's why they're on the east or west side Edited July 31, 2020 by Buffalo716 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 41 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: For a western NYr it's absolutely expensive That's like an elitist New York City attitude where everybody's making six figures. The average buffalonian makes like $25,000 a year Do you know how much poverty is in the City of Buffalo? The average Joe in Buffalo can't get into those areas Per capita. Which is a really good metric of affluence. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 3 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Getting way different number for per capita in one US... not trying to argue, but 31k seems way off https://www.statista.com/statistics/205199/per-capita-personal-income-in-the-us/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Getting way different number for per capita in one US... not trying to argue, but 31k seems way off https://www.statista.com/statistics/205199/per-capita-personal-income-in-the-us/ 45 sounds high! My town here it's... a paltry $19,800!!! I can take you through some towns (please close your window and lock your door) where the per capita doesn't even scratch $9k. Figure... IF it's $40k. A family of four has to be cranking in 160 gas a year. Edited July 31, 2020 by ExiledInIllinois Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 11 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Getting way different number for per capita in one US... not trying to argue, but 31k seems way off https://www.statista.com/statistics/205199/per-capita-personal-income-in-the-us/ That could be true. It also says the dollar adjustment is in 2012 value. Maybe the dollar was worth more then Either way there's a lot of people in Buffalo struggling. There are pockets on the rise, but there's still a lot of people you can't even afford to live in cheektowaga 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 13 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: That could be true. It also says the dollar adjustment is in 2012 value. Maybe the dollar was worth more then Either way there's a lot of people in Buffalo struggling. There are pockets on the rise, but there's still a lot of people you can't even afford to live in cheektowaga Yup! FWIW... Places like West Seneca Schools (on edge of City) struggle with the pockets of poverty. You wouldn't think it... EDIT: Not really poverty. Just "working poor." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 1 minute ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Yup! FWIW... Places like West Seneca Schools (on edge of City) struggle with the pockets of poverty. You wouldn't think it... So does cheektowaga Central School system on the border of Buffalo cheektowaga. They have teenagers who have actually killed people in the school but you get into the deeper suburbs of cheektowaga and it's still gorgeous My grandmother live behind Southgate plaza for 60 years 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: So does cheektowaga Central School system on the border of Buffalo cheektowaga. They have teenagers who have actually killed people in the school but you get into the deeper suburbs of cheektowaga and it's still gorgeous My grandmother live behind Southgate plaza for 60 years Yup... We've lived off of French for 60 years. Brother still there. Schools like W.Seneca East going down tubes. LoL... But that was always a shithole seeing I graduated from West. ? ? ? Edited July 31, 2020 by ExiledInIllinois Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 3 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Yup... We've lived off of French for 60 years. Brother still there. Yeah, I took someone who has lived in Lovejoy / Eastside his whole life, to my house, in cheektowaga by the airport. And he was amazed at how nice the neighborhood was.. like he would do anything to live there All he knew was Lovejoy and the Eastside and the true suburbs were like a different world to him 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 1 hour ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Average 25k though? I’m seeing median hh income around twice that number in google search. https://www.bestplaces.net/economy/city/new_york/buffalo Dunno if accurate but they claim "The average income of a Buffalo resident is $20,726 a year. The US average is $28,555 a year. The Median household income of a Buffalo resident is $31,668 a year. The US average is $53,482 a year." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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