Covid 19 vs Trump

TBBills · November 16, 2020

1 hour ago, Backintheday544 said:

We’re about to shut the country down again. This will be bad.

I didn't get shut down before... Wonder that will happen this time.

BullBuchanan · November 16, 2020

2 hours ago, Backintheday544 said:

We’re about to shut the country down again. This will be bad.

Again? When was the first time?

TBBills · November 16, 2020

2 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Again? When was the first time?

March... Kind of.

It sucks that these republican run states/government don't care about the virus until it's too late and overwhelms the hospitals.

But hey lets all go golfing and hold a huge maskless March.

BullBuchanan · November 16, 2020

2 minutes ago, TBBills said:

March... Kind of.

Not here. Not most places.

leh-nerd skin-erd · November 16, 2020

5 hours ago, daz28 said:Please stop being so condescending. If people want to see DR type nonsense, they'd got to that forum to enjoy it. He has a good point that Trump absolutely rules with an iron fist, and smites all that disagree with him, basically controlling the actions of an entire party. You want to ignore that, and focus on one of 435 representatives who isn't even the leader of the leftist agenda.

You’re asking me to ignore the fact that he took multiple shots at me, and implying I somehow owe him respect in some way/shape/form you deem appropriate.

That’s some first level Taylor Swift-angsty-fake-nice bs. I decline your request.

What I wrote was historically accurate. The fact that he acknowledged what I was saying while implying I was making something up simply resulted in me responding the way I like to respond—I mocked him.

As for your characterization of DJT, whatever.

Btw—The fixation on a poster long gone from this site is troubling. Let the anger go.

Q-baby! · November 16, 2020

12 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

You’re asking me to ignore the fact that he took multiple shots at me, and implying I somehow owe him respect in some way/shape/form you deem appropriate.

That’s some first level Taylor Swift-angsty-fake-nice bs. I decline your request.

What I wrote was historically accurate. The fact that he acknowledged what I was saying while implying I was making something up simply resulted in me responding the way I like to respond—I mocked him.

As for your characterization of DJT, whatever.

Btw—The fixation on a poster long gone from this site is troubling. Let the anger go.

That says it all about you cult members. Nothing matters!

Kemp · November 16, 2020

3 hours ago, Backintheday544 said:

We’re about to shut the country down again. This will be bad.

Because things have been going so well.

Warcodered · November 16, 2020

1 hour ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

You’re asking me to ignore the fact that he took multiple shots at me, and implying I somehow owe him respect in some way/shape/form you deem appropriate.

That’s some first level Taylor Swift-angsty-fake-nice bs. I decline your request.

What I wrote was historically accurate. The fact that he acknowledged what I was saying while implying I was making something up simply resulted in me responding the way I like to respond—I mocked him.

As for your characterization of DJT, whatever.

Btw—The fixation on a poster long gone from this site is troubling. Let the anger go.

So just trying to get this straight the thing your upset about is AOC saying people should keep track of the people supporting Trumps BS claims trying to steal this election?

Because I mean no ***** how is that a terrible thing? I mean weren't you just using Biden's vote for the Iraq war against him? You know how we all know that....because we kept a ***** list of the people who did. So yeah if you are an elected official and are out there supporting Trumps efforts to steal this election you should absolutely have to wear that down the line.

leh-nerd skin-erd · November 16, 2020

27 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

So just trying to get this straight the thing your upset about is AOC saying people should keep track of the people supporting Trumps BS claims trying to steal this election?

Because I mean no ***** how is that a terrible thing? I mean weren't you just using Biden's vote for the Iraq war against him? You know how we all know that....because we kept a ***** list of the people who did. So yeah if you are an elected official and are out there supporting Trumps efforts to steal this election you should absolutely have to wear that down the line.

I wasn’t using Biden’s vote against him, I was laughing at your contention that an appearance on a Howard Stern show was somehow equivalent to an experienced US Senator analyzing all available intelligence and voting to gear up the war machine. I supported the war effort, at least insofar as Saddam Hussein was thumbing his nose at the international community and that lead a reasonable person to believe he was producing weapons of mass destruction.

The question isn’t what he said or did then, it’s how it’s viewed through the prism of time. My philosophy on W Bush, who I voted for twice and politics in general has evolved over the years. Pre-Trump, I was headed down the road that there really are just some major players calling the shots, keeping people like you and me swinging at each other. Bill Clinton. Obama hires Hillary, Hillary is the heir apparent. HW Bush. W Bush. Jeb Bush. It made me a bit nauseous to be honest.

So, as I said earlier before another scurrilous attack, I watched folks on your side get all lathered up with BHO’s Hope N Change shtick. He ran in the W is a war criminal platform, then quietly all is forgotten. Dude, I’m asking you—was W Bush the war for oil guy or not? And if he was, why the f didn’t Obama steamroll him using the full might and power of the Oval Office? Today though, thick as theives, W suggesting Biden is a man of character. The problem is, I recall what Biden said about him—was it true what this man if character said?

Anyway, same questions exist with Biden, he was part of the game then, the war in retrospect was a massive mistake and I think he needs to answer on it. I do not think DJT on Stern reveals anything, has nothing to do with anything, and is a silly talking point. I needed no additional reasons to think he’s unfit for office.

I’ve moved further down the road that there aren’t Ds and Rs, just shades of the same ***** color. The fact that 70m people voted for an over-ripened Joe Biden for president—one laughed off the stage when he first ran decades ago during the Pet Rock era, convinces me even more.

As for Das Enemies List, I feel the way I do because these people destroy lives for sport.

Q-baby! · November 16, 2020

19 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

I wasn’t using Biden’s vote against him, I was laughing at your contention that an appearance on a Howard Stern show was somehow equivalent to an experienced US Senator analyzing all available intelligence and voting to gear up the war machine. I supported the war effort, at least insofar as Saddam Hussein was thumbing his nose at the international community and that lead a reasonable person to believe he was producing weapons of mass destruction.

The question isn’t what he said or did then, it’s how it’s viewed through the prism of time. My philosophy on W Bush, who I voted for twice and politics in general has evolved over the years. Pre-Trump, I was headed down the road that there really are just some major players calling the shots, keeping people like you and me swinging at each other. Bill Clinton. Obama hires Hillary, Hillary is the heir apparent. HW Bush. W Bush. Jeb Bush. It made me a bit nauseous to be honest.

So, as I said earlier before another scurrilous attack, I watched folks on your side get all lathered up with BHO’s Hope N Change shtick. He ran in the W is a war criminal platform, then quietly all is forgotten. Dude, I’m asking you—was W Bush the war for oil guy or not? And if he was, why the f didn’t Obama steamroll him using the full might and power of the Oval Office? Today though, thick as theives, W suggesting Biden is a man of character. The problem is, I recall what Biden said about him—was it true what this man if character said?

Anyway, same questions exist with Biden, he was part of the game then, the war in retrospect was a massive mistake and I think he needs to answer on it. I do not think DJT on Stern reveals anything, has nothing to do with anything, and is a silly talking point. I needed no additional reasons to think he’s unfit for office.

I’ve moved further down the road that there aren’t Ds and Rs, just shades of the same ***** color. The fact that 70m people voted for an over-ripened Joe Biden for president—one laughed off the stage when he first ran decades ago during the Pet Rock era, convinces me even more.

As for Das Enemies List, I feel the way I do because these people destroy lives for sport.

Actually the 70 million people voted for an over ripened pumpkin. Closer to 80 million voted for Biden.

Warcodered · November 16, 2020

7 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

I wasn’t using Biden’s vote against him, I was laughing at your contention that an appearance on a Howard Stern show was somehow equivalent to an experienced US Senator analyzing all available intelligence and voting to gear up the war machine. I supported the war effort, at least insofar as Saddam Hussein was thumbing his nose at the international community and that lead a reasonable person to believe he was producing weapons of mass destruction.

The question isn’t what he said or did then, it’s how it’s viewed through the prism of time. My philosophy on W Bush, who I voted for twice and politics in general has evolved over the years. Pre-Trump, I was headed down the road that there really are just some major players calling the shots, keeping people like you and me swinging at each other. Bill Clinton. Obama hires Hillary, Hillary is the heir apparent. HW Bush. W Bush. Jeb Bush. It made me a bit nauseous to be honest.

So, as I said earlier before another scurrilous attack, I watched folks on your side get all lathered up with BHO’s Hope N Change shtick. He ran in the W is a war criminal platform, then quietly all is forgotten. Dude, I’m asking you—was W Bush the war for oil guy or not? And if he was, why the f didn’t Obama steamroll him using the full might and power of the Oval Office? Today though, thick as theives, W suggesting Biden is a man of character. The problem is, I recall what Biden said about him—was it true what this man if character said?

Anyway, same questions exist with Biden, he was part of the game then, the war in retrospect was a massive mistake and I think he needs to answer on it. I do not think DJT on Stern reveals anything, has nothing to do with anything, and is a silly talking point. I needed no additional reasons to think he’s unfit for office.

I’ve moved further down the road that there aren’t Ds and Rs, just shades of the same ***** color. The fact that 70m people voted for an over-ripened Joe Biden for president—one laughed off the stage when he first ran decades ago during the Pet Rock era, convinces me even more.

So this seems to be more of a tangent on something different you want to discuss and really glosses over what I was saying completely.

As to actually discussing it I'd say the idea that these families have some sort of inside track for the Presidency is absolutely true. But I mean it's not exactly any different than families who for generations do other jobs. They have a built upon knowledge, experience, and connections to draw on that give them an advantage. But in the end we're still the idiots that vote for them.

For George W not getting in trouble for the War I'd say that might be more him not doing some explicitly illegal. I mean the intel we were given was bad and they were absolutely pushing us into it hard, but in the end it went through the proper channels. I mean it might suck but without any actual evidence of them illegally getting us into the war, congress and even Obama were going to be rather reluctant to charge a President for using the powers they gave him.

8 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

As for Das Enemies List, I feel the way I do because these people destroy lives for sport.

If you're referring to cancel culture and people being too sensitive then yeah that is a thing but it's not really this thing. This is to me more about actual politicians supporting Trumps evidence less corrupt fraud claims in his attempt to subvert this election, and that being something they absolutely have to explain and have hang over them.

SoTier · November 16, 2020

Be smart and get your flu shot. Be smarter and wear a mask and practice social distancing. Be really smart and don't share your air.

November 13, 2020 - The U of Washington's IHME projects that more than 438,000 Americans could die of the coronavirus by March 1, 2021.

November 8, 2020 - The U of Washington's IHME projects that more than 399,000 Americans could die of the coronavirus by February 1, 2021.

October 22, 2020 - The National Center for Disaster Preparedness at Columbia University reports that between 130,000 and 210,000 deaths from coronavirus could have been avoided with a better response from the US government policies and crisis messaging. (Avoidable Covid-19 Deaths)

October 13, 2020 - The U of Washington's IHME projects that more than 363,000 Americans could die of the coronavirus by January 1, 2021 and more than 394,000 by February 1, 2021 with the seasonal flu making the coronavirus more deadly.

November 15, 2020 - 246,214 Americans have died of coronavirus with a singe day death toll of 600.

November 14, 2020 - 245,614 Americans have died of coronavirus with a singe day death toll of 1310.

November 13, 2020 - 244,304 Americans have died of coronavirus with a singe day death toll of 1625.

November 12, 2020 - 242,679 Americans have died of coronavirus with a single day death toll of 1171.

November 11, 2020 - 241,508 Americans have died of coronavirus with a single day death toll of 1813.

Average daily deaths from coronavirus, November 11-15, 2020: 1304

Average daily deaths from coronavirus, November 4-10, 2020: 1008

Average daily deaths from coronavirus, October 28-November 3, 2020: 852

Average daily deaths from coronavirus, October 21-27, 2020: 800

Average daily deaths from coronavirus, October 14-20, 2020: 726

November 1, 2020 - 22,748 Americans died of coronavirus in the month of October, an average of 734 per day.

October 1, 2020 - 21,311 Americans died of coronavirus in the month of September, an average of 710 per day.

November 1, 2020 - 231,003 Americans have died of coronavirus

October 1, 2020 - 207,808 Americans have died of coronavirus.

September 1, 2020 - 185,594 Amercians have died of coronavirus.

July 1, 2020 - 127,299 Americans have died of coronavirus.

leh-nerd skin-erd · November 16, 2020

9 hours ago, Warcodered said:

So this seems to be more of a tangent on something different you want to discuss and really glosses over what I was saying completely.

As to actually discussing it I'd say the idea that these families have some sort of inside track for the Presidency is absolutely true. But I mean it's not exactly any different than families who for generations do other jobs. They have a built upon knowledge, experience, and connections to draw on that give them an advantage. But in the end we're still the idiots that vote for them.

For George W not getting in trouble for the War I'd say that might be more him not doing some explicitly illegal. I mean the intel we were given was bad and they were absolutely pushing us into it hard, but in the end it went through the proper channels. I mean it might suck but without any actual evidence of them illegally getting us into the war, congress and even Obama were going to be rather reluctant to charge a President for using the powers they gave him.

If you're referring to cancel culture and people being too sensitive then yeah that is a thing but it's not really this thing. This is to me more about actual politicians supporting Trumps evidence less corrupt fraud claims in his attempt to subvert this election, and that being something they absolutely have to explain and have hang over them.

I am not trying to be difficult, but I answered the Biden v Trump/Stern question 3 or 4 times.

It wasn’t so much of a tangent as an explanation in regards to your question. I’m inflexible on the Obama/Bush/Biden connection, I recognize that but am comfortable with where I am. It’s one of the main reasons I support DJT and actually getting things done in Washington.

As for cancel culture, we’ll have to agree to disagree.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts—I understand where you’re coming from.

BullBuchanan · November 16, 2020

12 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

I supported the war effort, at least insofar as Saddam Hussein was thumbing his nose at the international community and that lead a reasonable person to believe he was producing weapons of mass destruction.

Yea, see that right there is the problem. A complete lack of any evidence whatsoever caused "reasonable people" to "believe" things that were irrefutably false. Meanwhile the intelligence agencies had zero evidence that it existed. I don't really care what Lenny or the small town barber 'believes". We should have learned from the GW administration that a person's gut isn't to be trusted. I would much prefer people "believe" in the scientific method and let the experts that can gather and understand the evidence provide the deductions instead of talk show hosts on cable news.

leh-nerd skin-erd · November 16, 2020

1 hour ago, BullBuchanan said:

Yea, see that right there is the problem. A complete lack of any evidence whatsoever caused "reasonable people" to "believe" things that were irrefutably false. Meanwhile the intelligence agencies had zero evidence that it existed. I don't really care what Lenny or the small town barber 'believes". We should have learned from the GW administration that a person's gut isn't to be trusted. I would much prefer people "believe" in the scientific method and let the experts that can gather and understand the evidence provide the deductions instead of talk show hosts on cable news.

I had you on ignore before searching out greener pastures, but I’m glad I read this post. It refects the rare intersection of disparate points of view and how the world works.

I agree with you on Lenny—what the f does a guy raising a family and balancing work obligations in an upstate NY community know about deep intelligence dives. Likewise, I’d reject what you might have to say at the time.

The only challenge now is explaining why Biden pushed forward. I already know what I think, and it’s consistent with my view on the order of things in Washington.

Many people like the status quo because it’s someone else’s job to suffer. A vote for Biden is a vote for that particular world order in spite of angry protestations about a bogus war. It’s not just that of course, but why move forward when you can have the 80s again?

shoshin · November 16, 2020

16 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Many people like the status quo because it’s someone else’s job to suffer. A vote for Biden is a vote for that particular world order in spite of angry protestations about a bogus war. It’s not just that of course, but why move forward when you can have the 80s again?

This makes me think of an old campaign slogan. You may be too young to remember it. The candidate ran on a platform of turning back the clock on progress. His slogan was “Make America Great Again.”

leh-nerd skin-erd · November 16, 2020

Just now, shoshin said:

This makes me think of an old campaign slogan. You may be too young to remember it. The candidate ran on a platform of turning back the clock on progress. His slogan was “Make America Great Again.”

I remember it well. Personally, I like a vibrant economy and people having jobs and whatnot. That never goes out of style.

shoshin · November 16, 2020

15 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

I remember it well. Personally, I like a vibrant economy and people having jobs and whatnot. That never goes out of style.

Who doesn’t?

leh-nerd skin-erd · November 16, 2020

38 minutes ago, shoshin said:

Who doesn’t?

Exactly.

SoTier · November 17, 2020