/dev/null Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 Can thousands of crap throwing monkeys typing eventually produce a publishable paper? 309573[/snapback] can't name them all. but there are a couple there's one here and another over here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 can't name them all. but there are a couplethere's one here and another over here 309579[/snapback] Windows XP is a testimonial to crap throwing monkeys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 Don't mistake the works of men, with all their warts, with the Church. If some man said that the Catholic Church was the "direct representative of God", they were in error. Understand the fallibility of Man...CEO's of major corprations these days are filled with hubris and self-importance, these folks that we fawn over be they in entertainment or in sports often disappoint us. The late Pope never claimed to be anything but a humble servant of our good Lord. Never. Don't be prejudicial of this new Pope. Wait and see. I've typed in several statements in this thread. I am not a member of the Catholic Church. But I recognize that the good imparted around the globe far surpasses the bad. Think for a moment if that Church and it's bretheren were no more...what a loss to humanity, let alone to faith. Remember Pope John Paul II, and look for the good in the new Pope. 309577[/snapback] Actually, the men said the Catholic Church ordained them as direct representatives of God, which is not entirely contradictory with the idea of being a "humble servant". And like I said...I could have been taught poorly, but what I was taught about being Catholic by members of the Catholic clergy gave me serious problems with the Church. None of which has to do with the new Pope, as 1) he's not my religious leader, and 2) much as I view the federal government, my issues with the Catholic Church are more systemic than having to do with the leadership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todd Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 So you are saying that 3 years of a guy's life in the german equivalent of the boy scouts trumps 50 years of service to God? Hell, I'm not a catholic, but calling this guy a Nazi is crazy. How is it ignorant? His father was anti-nazi but he somehow became a youth nazi. I fully understand that people were forced to do things or die. If that is the case i feel sorry for him but he shouldn't be the Pope because of it. If your father beat your mother then you have a strong chance of becoming a wife beater yourself even tho as a kid you knew it wasn't right. The same idea goes for the new Pope. He was a Nazi Youth. He had a front row seat to their teachings. He had Nazi Teachers. He sat in a classroom. The Pope has a very visable black spot on his record. He shouldn't be the Pope because of it. 309514[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 The Catholic doctrine is that the act of sex is directly connected to procreation. Any attempt to undermine that duality is deviant to the will of God. Hence, abortion, contraception, gay and lesbian relationships, etc, all fall under the banner of deviant practice. Since God sanctifies sex/procreation only within the bond of marriage, adultery and bigamy are out too. This has been a formula for most winning religions/cultures through the millenia, since this also corresponds strongly with the evolutionary purpose of our DNA. Taking it up the pooper doesn't produce the next generation of the species. Running from bed to bed does not provide a proper environment for offspring. The Church might say it's the Word Of God that tells us this, but there also is much common sense which ties these doctrines to speci-societal survival. You'll notice that, besides traditional Catholics (I'm sure Pope Benny would consider the so called liberal Catholics who support abortion/contraception/free-love/deviant sex to be in apostasy), the culture which most promotes values which tend to increase the "size of the herd" if you will, is Islam. Is it any wonder they're the fastest growing religion? They're popping out the most little suicide bombers. Don't worry, we'll make more, they say... and they do. In the numbers game, Europe and Russia just aren't procreating fast enough to avoid being overtaken sometime in this century, and when the numbers finally tip you'll see the green flag flying over Paris, and Berlin, and Stockholm and Oslo too. A pope upholding the traditional doctrines, and the traditional 'self-evident truths' about the nature of the relationship between man and God, should not really be such a surprise. Those taking the long view can conjecture that this is what Armageddon and the survival of the Church and Christianity as we know it is all about. As Europe secularizes and welfarizes, it diminishes it's own culture while at the same time introducing the strain that will ultimately replace it. That is, if you believe the theories of one Charles Darwin to be correct. 309424[/snapback] I don't know if I agree with the cause and effect. While it's ndeniable that Western nations' birthrates lag the underdeveloped countries, I'm not sure that religious doctrine is the cause of the disparity. I view the modernization of Western cultures to be a dominant reason for the drop-off in birth rates. The advances in medicine, science and living standards don't necessitate a woman giving birth to 10 children to ensure that enough healthy ones survive to promote the generations. That is closer to Darwinist dogma than the religious explanation. As to the fear that Muslims are set to overrun Europe, bad Bush is taking care of that by trying to force modernity upon the Middle East. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 JOSEPH RATZINGER (GERMAN), BORN APRIL 16, 1927 Cardinal Francis Arinze was for nearly 20 years the Vatican's point man for relations with Islam, a key element cardinals choosing the next pope may take into consideration. 309003[/snapback] Hm. Wishful thinking? I was kinda rooting for Arinze too. I had a whole set of new material ready to go. Hint: The first punchline was gonna be "they can't fire him because he's Pope" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erynthered Posted April 20, 2005 Share Posted April 20, 2005 "He had Nazi teachers, therefore he's a Nazi." Well, golly...I had a teacher who was a card-carrying Communist in high school. I also had one that was gay and one that was institutionalized with mental illness. I guess that makes me a gay communist schizophrenic. 309543[/snapback] We knew that though. Cappuccino? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BF_in_Indiana Posted April 20, 2005 Share Posted April 20, 2005 I am very happy to see a pope of German herritage. May the reign of Benedict XVI last a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted April 20, 2005 Share Posted April 20, 2005 How is it ignorant? His father was anti-nazi but he somehow became a youth nazi. I fully understand that people were forced to do things or die. If that is the case i feel sorry for him but he shouldn't be the Pope because of it. If your father beat your mother then you have a strong chance of becoming a wife beater yourself even tho as a kid you knew it wasn't right. The same idea goes for the new Pope. He was a Nazi Youth. He had a front row seat to their teachings. He had Nazi Teachers. He sat in a classroom. The Pope has a very visable black spot on his record. He shouldn't be the Pope because of it. 309514[/snapback] So, you know better than the Holy Ghost what the conclave's decision-making process should be. See you on the other side, dude. We'll see who's craning their neck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obie_wan Posted April 20, 2005 Share Posted April 20, 2005 Should the church accept and welcome them as well, as is, and just say that is how they are wired? 309331[/snapback] Pretty ironic that the Church won't accept pedophiles as part of the flock, but protects them when frocked as a priest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobblehead Posted April 20, 2005 Share Posted April 20, 2005 So you are saying that 3 years of a guy's life in the german equivalent of the boy scouts trumps 50 years of service to God? Hell, I'm not a catholic, but calling this guy a Nazi is crazy. 309614[/snapback] That has been one of the constant thoughts that go through my head that I don't share with other people; if I lived during (insert era here), what side would I have been on? What side would my parents have been on and would I have been in a position to make my own choices, or even have the awareness to make the right choice? I look at Ratzinger and see someone who was able to triumph over the bonds of his time. Not alot of people throughout history have been able to claim that. I find his election rather ballsy, a polarizing figure in a polarizing time. I respect the church for taking a stand like this, although I do not agree with the stand. I'm getting your point - you have to take the doctrine for what it says, as the church appears to be, you need to be either in or out, no gray areas. Personally, I'm at a crisis of faith at the moment. The Evangelicals, the fundamentalists, the Catholics, the Muslims, all appear to be hardening their line, but it doesn't make things easier for me, from my selfish standpoint, I guess have a problem, I can't agree with 'the lines' that the religions are taking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted April 20, 2005 Share Posted April 20, 2005 Personally, I'm at a crisis of faith at the moment. The Evangelicals, the fundamentalists, the Catholics, the Muslims, all appear to be hardening their line, but it doesn't make things easier for me, from my selfish standpoint, I guess have a problem, I can't agree with 'the lines' that the religions are taking. 310203[/snapback] You could try Orthodox Judaism or Christianity. They don't have to harden their lines, those lines have been hard for a long long time. Either one makes Rome's "hard line" look like the Unitarians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobblehead Posted April 20, 2005 Share Posted April 20, 2005 You could try Orthodox Judaism or Christianity. They don't have to harden their lines, those lines have been hard for a long long time. Either one makes Rome's "hard line" look like the Unitarians. 310329[/snapback] Unitarians.. I have no idea what that even is, it sounds like math rock. My main problem is that I don't want to be wishy-washy about religion, customizing a belief, if you will. That comes across to me as cheating - a cop out. But at the same time, I have some strong, unflappable views on bigotry and simple human decency that I believe go against the doctrines of the major religions today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Tate Posted April 20, 2005 Share Posted April 20, 2005 Unitarians.. I have no idea what that even is, it sounds like math rock. My main problem is that I don't want to be wishy-washy about religion, customizing a belief, if you will. That comes across to me as cheating - a cop out. But at the same time, I have some strong, unflappable views on bigotry and simple human decency that I believe go against the doctrines of the major religions today. 310408[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobblehead Posted April 20, 2005 Share Posted April 20, 2005 310534[/snapback] Pardon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted April 20, 2005 Share Posted April 20, 2005 But at the same time, I have some strong, unflappable views on bigotry and simple human decency that I believe go against the doctrines of the major religions today. 310607[/snapback] You're saying that either (a) you are a bigot, or (b) major religions are bigoted. Either way, that's cause for his emoticon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mary owen Posted April 20, 2005 Share Posted April 20, 2005 the big question is, can he play the drums? http://members.cox.net/williamreyes/popeskins.jpg (did it just get hot in here?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB27 Posted April 20, 2005 Share Posted April 20, 2005 Since the church resists change/cannot change,I do have a few questions for the new Pope:1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians? 2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her? 3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual 'uncleanness' - Lev.15: 19-24. The problem is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense. 4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is, my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them? 5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2. clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it? 6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there 'degrees' of abomination? 7. Lev.21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here? 8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die? 9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves? 10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev.19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14) 309496[/snapback] Okay, I just spent the last 40 minutes reading all of these posts........ and this one is the best. The rest were amusing, but this one wins it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobblehead Posted April 20, 2005 Share Posted April 20, 2005 You're saying that either (a) you are a bigot, or (b) major religions are bigoted. Either way, that's cause for his emoticon. 310646[/snapback] Thanks, but I'm quite sure he (and you) know what I meant. Please, spare me the one-upmanship internet games. If you, (or him) have something to say, just say it. Even if it's just an attempt to riducule me, I will respect that more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkady Renko Posted April 20, 2005 Share Posted April 20, 2005 Okay, I just spent the last 40 minutes reading all of these posts........ and this one is the best. The rest were amusing, but this one wins it. 310686[/snapback] If only BUFFALOBART had actually come up with that himself and not copied it word for word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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