Deranged Rhino Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 1 minute ago, daz28 said: It was a right before it was a privilege. It was? Where is the right to drive listed in the constitution?
BuffaloHokie13 Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 5 minutes ago, daz28 said: There's already several reasons they can, but just wait. Everyone here likes to say just wait it's coming, so just wait. They'll find a reason to get yours soon Care to explain? Any specific examples? Anything?
daz28 Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: Care to explain? Any specific examples? Anything? To test for drugs/alcohol?? They also can take your hair. They can take your urine. All of these belong to my persons and should be secure. What will they take and use these things for next? Your turn Edited May 13, 2020 by daz28
Deranged Rhino Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 Just now, daz28 said: To test for drugs/alcohol?? They also can take your hair. They can take your urine. All of these belong to my persons and should be secure. What will they take and use these things for next? Your turn The gov't literally cannot do any of that without probable cause and/or a warrant. You're delusional. Keep moving those goalposts. Maybe one day you'll hit on an actual point that helps your case rather than argues against it.
daz28 Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 6 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: It was? Where is the right to drive listed in the constitution? Where's my right to walk and chew gum enumerated? Are you saying I have no right to travel? Are you saying that they had drivers licenses for the first cars?
Deranged Rhino Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 Just now, daz28 said: Where's my right to walk and chew gum enumerated? Are you saying I have no right to travel? Are you saying that they had drivers licenses for the first cars? 2
daz28 Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 Just now, Deranged Rhino said: The gov't literally cannot do any of that without probable cause and/or a warrant. You're delusional. Keep moving those goalposts. Maybe one day you'll hit on an actual point that helps your case rather than argues against it. I have probable cause to believe you have Covid, so gimme a sample Just now, Deranged Rhino said: Really, so the driver's license wasn't written into the Constitution so it's not a right? How about we use that newfound privilege to stop deadbeat dads
BuffaloHokie13 Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 Just now, daz28 said: To test for drugs/alcohol?? They also can take your hair. They can take your urine. All of these belong to my persons and should be secure. Wrong. You can decline unless they get a warrant, which is a special circumstance. At that point there is at least some evidence of probable cause for a crime and some time has passed. They cannot take those things from you, they can request them. It is up to you to comply or not. Typically people are coerced into compliance by fear in those situations. 1
Deranged Rhino Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 1 minute ago, daz28 said: I have probable cause to believe you have Covid, so gimme a sample You say this, after an entire morning spent arguing that we the people should willingly give up our rights to the same government when they deem it's in the public good. I take it back. You're not stupid. You're not even bright enough to be considered stupid. You're a troll. Enjoy.
Chef Jim Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 17 minutes ago, daz28 said: President Trump ruined that all by himself. He had a chance to be great, but he insisted on alienating himself from everyone except that flag waver. 1} Roadblocks-well I had never heard of them besides Nazi Germany until the Supreme Court decided that the worst thing that could ever happen in America was the DWI. 2) Blood draws against your will- How can you be secure in your persons when they can literally take your life blood from you. Excuse me?? How is a roadblock a violation of your rights? They cannot search you right. When can they literally draw blood from you without your consent? 7 minutes ago, daz28 said: To test for drugs/alcohol?? They also can take your hair. They can take your urine. All of these belong to my persons and should be secure. What will they take and use these things for next? Your turn You can say no. You do realize that correct?? 2 1
Deranged Rhino Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 Just now, Chef Jim said: Excuse me?? How is a roadblock a violation of your rights? They cannot search you right. When can they literally draw blood from you without your consent? He's either cognitively impaired, or trolling.
BuffaloHokie13 Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 1 minute ago, Chef Jim said: Excuse me?? How is a roadblock a violation of your rights? They cannot search you right. When can they literally draw blood from you without your consent? They can't. Some people are just too scared in the moment to realize that and so they comply with requests. 1
daz28 Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 Just now, BuffaloHokie13 said: Typically people are coerced into compliance by fear in those situations. Same thing. Also, the draws may be used as compliance for a crime. They might drug test you for years, while all other Americans don't get tested. Even though everyone else is doing the exact same thing, I guess cuz I got caught I lost my rights?
Chef Jim Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said: He's either cognitively impaired, or trolling. I'll take the former. He seems too cognitively impaired for the latter. And I know one person on the board who had never been hauled in for a DUI. 1
billsfan1959 Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 8 minutes ago, daz28 said: To test for drugs/alcohol?? They also can take your hair. They can take your urine. All of these belong to my persons and should be secure. What will they take and use these things for next? Your turn The government can just show up at your door and take your blood, hair, or urine to test for whatever they want? Link? 1
Chef Jim Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 Just now, daz28 said: Same thing. Also, the draws may be used as compliance for a crime. They might drug test you for years, while all other Americans don't get tested. Even though everyone else is doing the exact same thing, I guess cuz I got caught I lost my rights? Who is being drug tested FOR YEARS and for what reason?? 1
Deranged Rhino Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 1 minute ago, daz28 said: Same thing. Also, the draws may be used as compliance for a crime. They might drug test you for years, while all other Americans don't get tested. Even though everyone else is doing the exact same thing, I guess cuz I got caught I lost my rights? Most drug testing in the US happens at people's place of employment. It's a contract they sign when becoming employees. But you knew that.
daz28 Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 4 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: You say this, after an entire morning spent arguing that we the people should willingly give up our rights to the same government when they deem it's in the public good. I take it back. You're not stupid. You're not even bright enough to be considered stupid. You're a troll. Enjoy. That's the 7th time you twisted that. I said, and I repeat, I said we should be smart enough to know when to give them up, and strong enough to not let them take advantage in extreme circumstances 1 minute ago, Chef Jim said: I'll take the former. He seems too cognitively impaired for the latter. And I know one person on the board who had never been hauled in for a DUI. Say I got 10 DWI's isn't the roadblock the same rights you are arguing about right now?? Why should you lose your rights cuz I'm a drunk?
Chef Jim Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 Just now, daz28 said: That's the 7th time you twisted that. I said, and I repeat, I said we should be smart enough to know when to give them up, and strong enough to not let them take advantage in extreme circumstances No no no don't go back to that. We still want to find out how roadblocks are a violation of your rights. 1
daz28 Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said: Most drug testing in the US happens at people's place of employment. It's a contract they sign when becoming employees. But you knew that. No coercion there.
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