B-Man Posted May 7, 2020 Posted May 7, 2020 Sanctuary Phil Sees His Shadow, 30 More Days of Lock Down in Jersey; No Work, No Jobs, No Relief TRENTON, NJ – Governor Phil Murphy today apparently saw his shadow today, which means the New Jersey COVID-19 lockdown will continue for at least another 30 days with no clear plan for residents or small business owners who will remain out of work during that time. “I’m signing an EO to extend our public health emergency by 30 days,” Murphy said today. “To be clear: this does not mean we’re seeing anything in the data which would pause our path forward. These declarations, unless extended, expire after 30 days. We’re still in a public health emergency. If this extension signals one thing, it is this – we can’t give up one bit on the one thing that we know is working in this fight: social distancing. Remember, in the absence of a vaccine, or even proven therapeutics for #COVID19, our only cure is social distancing.” So that means, for many, 30 more days without a paycheck, 30 more days without unemployment. For businesses, it means 30 more days without cashflow and 30 more days to pretend they might see some of the economic stimulus money before the end of 2020. “This will be disastrous for every small business in our State. We must allow for safely reopening segments of our economy. Yes, this virus is serious. Yes, people have gotten very ill and some have died including people I know personally. Unfortunately a large majority of those who have died in Bergen County were our most vulnerable residents in our Veterans homes and Long Term Care Facilities,” said New Jersey Assemblywoman Holly Schepisi. http://shorenewsnetwork.com/2020/05/06/pandemic-phil-sees-his-shadow-30-more-days-of-lock-down-in-jersey-no-work-no-jobs-no-relief/?fbclid=IwAR0ur3YYooYAVWz02ozfn5RH51464GsK5D8pgWYOojJQlBPbLTCtHd1qla0 1
shoshin Posted May 7, 2020 Posted May 7, 2020 (edited) I know little about Slavitt except for his former title but he also agrees that states should be following the really good Trump/CDC guidelines. It's a tragedy that Trump is letting all these governors slide on this. And you can say "federalism" all you want and that's fine, but even the most ardent federalist knows that Trump knows how to use his bully pulpit and could do a lot of good bashing governors who don't follow his guidelines. A lot of good. Edited May 7, 2020 by shoshin
Trump_is_Mentally_fit Posted May 7, 2020 Posted May 7, 2020 “It’s not a question of do we reopen. It’s a question of how we reopen,” said New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo (D) at his news conference on Wednesday. “Our position in New York is the answer to the question, how do we reopen, is by following facts and data as opposed to emotion and politics. Right?” He added, “You can calibrate by the number of hospitalizations, the infection rate, the number of deaths, the percentage of hospital capacity, the percentage that you’re finding on antibody tests, the percentage of finding on diagnostic tests, positive, negative. You’re collecting tracing data, make your decisions based on the information and the data.” He said the proof is in the numbers: New York’s cases and deaths are declining as the rest of the country’s increases. 1
shoshin Posted May 7, 2020 Posted May 7, 2020 11 minutes ago, Tiberius said: “It’s not a question of do we reopen. It’s a question of how we reopen,” said New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo (D) at his news conference on Wednesday. “Our position in New York is the answer to the question, how do we reopen, is by following facts and data as opposed to emotion and politics. Right?” He added, “You can calibrate by the number of hospitalizations, the infection rate, the number of deaths, the percentage of hospital capacity, the percentage that you’re finding on antibody tests, the percentage of finding on diagnostic tests, positive, negative. You’re collecting tracing data, make your decisions based on the information and the data.” He said the proof is in the numbers: New York’s cases and deaths are declining as the rest of the country’s increases. Cuomo is Committed to following the Trump/ CDC guidelines, the following of which is sure to work. It is set up to not fail. You can go backwards if people break the recommendations but otherwise it works. 1
3rdnlng Posted May 7, 2020 Posted May 7, 2020 9 minutes ago, shoshin said: I know little about Slavitt except for his former title but he also agrees that states should be following the really good Trump/CDC guidelines. It's a tragedy that Trump is letting all these governors slide on this. And you can say "federalism" all you want and that's fine, but even the most ardent federalist knows that Trump knows how to use his bully pulpit and could do a lot of good bashing governors who don't follow his guidelines. A lot of good. "Federalism" did not just come out of left field. "Federalism" is a principle practiced by our country for centuries. Simply put, it's based on bringing the decision making down to the lowest level that still works. Each of our states are different and thus need to be governed differently. The federal government cannot be the entity to determine how those states are governed because they cannot know the peculiarities of each state. With that said, the federal guidelines are not such that need to be strictly followed in all instances. Governors need the leeway to be flexible in adhering to the guidelines in their own states and even in varied areas of their states. Trump can still cajole or use his bully pulpit but as I see it only as it pertains to rules that differ among neighboring states. He can also give rather strong suggestions as he did with the governor in Georgia but he can't force them to follow his guidelines*. *subject to emergency powers interpretation.
shoshin Posted May 7, 2020 Posted May 7, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: "Federalism" did not just come out of left field. "Federalism" is a principle practiced by our country for centuries. Simply put, it's based on bringing the decision making down to the lowest level that still works. Each of our states are different and thus need to be governed differently. The federal government cannot be the entity to determine how those states are governed because they cannot know the peculiarities of each state. With that said, the federal guidelines are not such that need to be strictly followed in all instances. Governors need the leeway to be flexible in adhering to the guidelines in their own states and even in varied areas of their states. Trump can still cajole or use his bully pulpit but as I see it only as it pertains to rules that differ among neighboring states. He can also give rather strong suggestions as he did with the governor in Georgia but he can't force them to follow his guidelines*. *subject to emergency powers interpretation. The states under your scenario are free to not follow the CDC guidelines, as it seems at least 49 are currently doing, but it's absurd to think the governor of GA getting a little scolding will do the right thing, or the IL/MI governors at the other extreme, without more action from Trump. So you understand, I think the issue of following those guidelines will be a bigger problem from the cautious states than the aggressive ones in the long run, but the patchwork approach could create a clusterF. You will not convince me that the GA Dept of Public Health can do better than the CDC. The CDC guidelines are open to plenty of interpretation that can be enacted at a state level. Dicker those details. Trump can beat the ***** out of them to at least follow the guidelines. You could have a debate about whether federalism is alive. It is, but only when it's convenient for the person arguing their current perspective. The commerce clause can be and is invoked all the time to override the 10th amendment. Edited May 7, 2020 by shoshin
Buffalo_Gal Posted May 7, 2020 Posted May 7, 2020 19 minutes ago, shoshin said: Cuomo is Committed to following the Trump/ CDC guidelines, the following of which is sure to work. It is set up to not fail. You can go backwards if people break the recommendations but otherwise it works. Cuomo should be opening some counties soon. He did that to a lesser extent with elective surgeries (all the counties except the ones with major cities could have elective surgeries). This is a good map, although I am not sure about any of the WNY counties (other than Erie) having any type of problem? Maybe lack of hospital beds?
3rdnlng Posted May 7, 2020 Posted May 7, 2020 4 minutes ago, shoshin said: The states under your scenario are free to not follow the CDC guidelines, as it seems at least 49 are currently doing, but it's absurd to think the governor of GA getting a little scolding will do the right thing, or the IL/MI governors at the other extreme, without more action from Trump. So you understand, I think the issue of following those guidelines will be a bigger problem from the cautious states than the aggressive ones in the long run, but the patchwork approach could create a clusterF. You will not convince me that the GA Dept of Public Health can do better than the CDC. The CDC guidelines are open to plenty of interpretation that can be enacted at a state level. Dicker those details. Trump can beat the ***** out of them to at least follow the guidelines. You could have a debate about whether federalism is alive. It is, but only when it's convenient for the person arguing their current perspective. The commerce clause can be and is invoked all the time to override the 10th amendment. How are we in disagreement?
B-Man Posted May 7, 2020 Posted May 7, 2020 California Sheriff Defies Gavin Newsom: I Refuse to Make Criminals out of Business Owners and Moms Greg Abbott Eliminates Jail for Texas Business Owners Violating Lockdown Orders 4
Buffalo_Gal Posted May 7, 2020 Posted May 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, B-Man said: California Sheriff Defies Gavin Newsom: I Refuse to Make Criminals out of Business Owners and Moms Greg Abbott Eliminates Jail for Texas Business Owners Violating Lockdown Orders 3 1
shoshin Posted May 7, 2020 Posted May 7, 2020 11 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: Cuomo should be opening some counties soon. He did that to a lesser extent with elective surgeries (all the counties except the ones with major cities could have elective surgeries). This is a good map, although I am not sure about any of the WNY counties (other than Erie) having any type of problem? Maybe lack of hospital beds? My brother and his gf work in Erie county hospitals. Doesn't sound like there's a bed shortage so I bet it's soon.
Buffalo_Gal Posted May 7, 2020 Posted May 7, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, shoshin said: My brother and his gf work in Erie county hospitals. Doesn't sound like there's a bed shortage so I bet it's soon. My future DIL does too. There isn't a bed shortage in Erie county. Sorry if I was unclear. I was referring to the block that included Niagara County, Cattaraugus, Chautauqua, and Wyoming counties as part of that map to still be on lock down. While none of those counties have a high population count, they also do not have a lot of hospital beds. That was all I could think of as to why they would be included with a more populous Erie county. IOW, why wouldn't those counties start to open on May 15th too? Edited May 7, 2020 by Buffalo_Gal
B-Man Posted May 7, 2020 Posted May 7, 2020 THIS DOESN’T SURPRISE ME: Coronavirus Anxiety Costs More Lives Than the Lockdowns Save From COVID-19, Study Finds.
B-Man Posted May 7, 2020 Posted May 7, 2020 WATCH powerful video of chief medical officer calling for an end to the lockdowns Americans have been told time and time again to listen to the experts when it comes to COVID and the lockdown … just not all of the experts, apparently. Alex Berenson shared a fascinating video from the chief medical officer of Pennsylvania’s ‘huge and powerful’ UPMC medical system, Dr. Steven Shapiro, calling for an end to the lockdowns. Watch. Hospital employees are being FURLOUGHED (and even laid off) because hospitals are sitting empty. 30 million + Americans going without a paycheck. Schools closed for the school year. Mental illness, domestic violence on the rise. The solution is more dangerous and even deadlier than the damn problem. 2 2
B-Man Posted May 7, 2020 Posted May 7, 2020 So, let’s unpack this a bit. First, sheriffs shouldn’t have armored vehicles. Second, sheriffs who have armored vehicles shouldn’t use them to shut down salons for violating a quarantine order. Third, law enforcement officers shouldn’t be grossly obese. Fourth, law enforcement officers who are grossly obese shouldn’t be mincing around like tactical hippos. Finally: So many libertarians are unhappy with the way things are going, when they should be delighted at how they’re making the powers that be look ridiculous. For all the BS TV shows like NCIS, this is much closer to the true face of law enforcement in America. Rub their noses, and protruding bellies, in it. 3
Albwan Posted May 7, 2020 Posted May 7, 2020 15 minutes ago, B-Man said: WATCH powerful video of chief medical officer calling for an end to the lockdowns Americans have been told time and time again to listen to the experts when it comes to COVID and the lockdown … just not all of the experts, apparently. Alex Berenson shared a fascinating video from the chief medical officer of Pennsylvania’s ‘huge and powerful’ UPMC medical system, Dr. Steven Shapiro, calling for an end to the lockdowns. Watch. Hospital employees are being FURLOUGHED (and even laid off) because hospitals are sitting empty. 30 million + Americans going without a paycheck. Schools closed for the school year. Mental illness, domestic violence on the rise. The solution is more dangerous and even deadlier than the damn problem. whoa liberal utopia...they finally got their wildest fantasies fulfilled....
Koko78 Posted May 7, 2020 Posted May 7, 2020 2 hours ago, Buffalo_Gal said: My future DIL does too. There isn't a bed shortage in Erie county. Sorry if I was unclear. I was referring to the block that included Niagara County, Cattaraugus, Chautauqua, and Wyoming counties as part of that map to still be on lock down. While none of those counties have a high population count, they also do not have a lot of hospital beds. That was all I could think of as to why they would be included with a more populous Erie county. IOW, why wouldn't those counties start to open on May 15th too? Warsaw Hospital opened for elective surgeries this past Monday. https://www.thedailynewsonline.com/top_story/wcchs-plans-to-resume-elective-surgeries-on-monday/article_0304f278-b332-515b-871d-d0286d343f75.html
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