shoshin Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 1 minute ago, GG said: On his presser today, Cuomo broadly outlined some of the criteria they're looking at for allowing people back to work. The tri-state (CT, NJ, NY)will open together, and only for people who've tested for anti-bodies. Another option is to only allow "younger" people back. No more details provided, but a clue into what the 3 Govs are talking about. That's vague and I don't think he will stick with that. South/Central Jersey and Upstate/WNY are not the same as NYC in cases (same with eastern CT). And "only for people who've tested for anitbodies" will be too small of a group to make a difference economically. Metro NY needs to be the most careful in how it opens. Agree that allowing younger people back sooner makes the most sense. In Europe, they are even allowing schools back before other workplaces. The thinking being that you can't restart the economy while kids are home all day. And while they can carry, they are largely unharmed by the virus. 2
Koko78 Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 1 hour ago, Boatdrinks said: If you lean even slightly libertarian, you’re likely not happy with the heavy handed approach of the coalition of Leftist Governors. Trump’s statement in this case won’t be viewed so negatively. The LSM here in New York has been bombarding us with messages about how high Cuomo’s approval rating is. The real answer is it depends who you ask. I think Trump knew exactly what he was doing with his statement. Makes me wonder if he's trying to provide motivation for the states (especially Democrat-controlled states) to end their emergency declarations sooner, rather than later. 1
shoshin Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 30 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: It seems the Coalition of Governors are trying to shield themselves from individual criticism by taking a vastly regional approach. And because the feds won't take control, they know that they have to act together or it's a moot point how any single state deals with it. NJ can't be closed and have much benefit if NYS is open for business. The the "no peeing" section of the swimming pool theory. A national plan is best and makes the most sense but barring that, regional coalitions make sense.
RochesterRob Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 5 minutes ago, shoshin said: That's vague and I don't think he will stick with that. South/Central Jersey and Upstate/WNY are not the same as NYC in cases (same with eastern CT). And "only for people who've tested for anitbodies" will be too small of a group to make a difference economically. Metro NY needs to be the most careful in how it opens. Agree that allowing younger people back sooner makes the most sense. In Europe, they are even allowing schools back before other workplaces. The thinking being that you can't restart the economy while kids are home all day. And while they can carry, they are largely unharmed by the virus. Just not hearing any talk of reopening schools at this point which makes me stick to the notion that Cuomo will ultimately punt May away.
shoshin Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 Just now, RochesterRob said: Just not hearing any talk of reopening schools at this point which makes me stick to the notion that Cuomo will ultimately punt May away. Sorry I was not clear. I don't think any US kid is going back to normal school until the fall. I was merely noting how other countries are sending kids back first. Plus there is the question of day cares and camps in the summer here. If every kid is staying home, even the parents who want to work can't work.
RochesterRob Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 1 minute ago, shoshin said: Sorry I was not clear. I don't think any US kid is going back to normal school until the fall. I was merely noting how other countries are sending kids back first. Plus there is the question of day cares and camps in the summer here. If every kid is staying home, even the parents who want to work can't work. There are parents of school age kids that are working now. Go to any WNY community and you will see 30-50 year old people who are working the counters of Seven-eleven's, McD's, local home improvement stores, etc. this very minute. That is why Cuomo's approach is somewhat illogical. I understand that schools are a focal point in terms of preventing the spread of the virus but for Cuomo to think that schools need to be open for parents to work is flawed.
Buffalo_Gal Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 14 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: Just not hearing any talk of reopening schools at this point which makes me stick to the notion that Cuomo will ultimately punt May away. Cuomo was talking about opening the schools the other day. Did he back off on that?
B-Man Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Gal said: Cuomo was talking about opening the schools the other day. Did he back off on that? Yes. My son (teacher) says that he still won't say that the school year is cancelled...........(he was pissed when NYC said that) But he won't go more than two weeks out. Do they are saying April 29th ...............even though no one believes it. . 1
RochesterRob Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 Just now, Buffalo_Gal said: Cuomo was talking about opening the schools the other day. Did he back off on that? I don't know and he could very well have said so as I do not see all the Cuomo related news segments. Anything that I have seen does not support the schools opening back up right away. I'll try to make a point of catching the local news tonight.
B-Man Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 Texas governor set to unveil executive order for re-opening businesses in a ‘safe economic revitalization.’ , 1
shoshin Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 (edited) 16 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: There are parents of school age kids that are working now. Go to any WNY community and you will see 30-50 year old people who are working the counters of Seven-eleven's, McD's, local home improvement stores, etc. this very minute. That is why Cuomo's approach is somewhat illogical. I understand that schools are a focal point in terms of preventing the spread of the virus but for Cuomo to think that schools need to be open for parents to work is flawed. Some parents can work if they have kids but many cannot or they cannot work well. Cuomo and de Blasio were just having a spat. Kids aren’t going back to school this spring in NYS. They both know it. All the states around NY are punting the spring away. NY is not about to be the one hold out. Edited April 14, 2020 by shoshin
3rdnlng Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 6 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: Cuomo was talking about opening the schools the other day. Did he back off on that? DiBlasio stated the other day that the NYC schools are closed for the year. Cuomo stated that it wasn't up to DiBlasio to make that determination since he (Cuomo) was the one that closed them in the first place. 2
shoshin Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, B-Man said: Texas governor set to unveil executive order for re-opening businesses in a ‘safe economic revitalization.’ , We interrupt this program for an announcement about the pending announcement.
Buffalo_Gal Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: DiBlasio stated the other day that the NYC schools are closed for the year. Cuomo stated that it wasn't up to DiBlasio to make that determination since he (Cuomo) was the one that closed them in the first place. That was what I saw. Same presser Cuomo said that schools needed to open in conjunction with businesses as schools provided a defacto day care.
RochesterRob Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, shoshin said: Some parents can work if they have kids but many cannot or they cannot work well. Cuomo and de Blasio were just having a spat. Kids aren’t going back to school this spring in NYS. They both know it. Employers are not going to wait indefinitely on parents that have a problem in terms of kids. The parents will get it figured out just like they do for summer vacation.
shoshin Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: Employers are not going to wait indefinitely on parents that have a problem in terms of kids. The parents will get it figured out just like they do for summer vacation. You’re making my point. Summer vacation from school is a time for a lot of kids to go to camps and other daytime activities. Those will only be open and available if they can be. Parents need them. It’s part of how they “figure it out” to use your phrase. Edited April 14, 2020 by shoshin
Buffalo_Gal Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 Announcement with specifics at noon pacific (3 eastern). They will be laying out details. They want to avoid a new wave, etc., etc. Gov. Newsom to announce plan to reopen West Coast states, lift California stay-at-home orders Governor Gavin Newsom on Tuesday will announce details on an agreement made with Oregon and Washington to reopen the economies of the Western States and lift stay-at-home orders. “In the coming weeks, the West Coast will flip the script on COVID-19 – with our states acting in close coordination and collaboration to ensure the virus can never spread wildly in our communities,” a joint statement from Governor Newsom, Oregon Governor Kate brown, and Washington Governor Jay Inslee. The statement added that each state is building its own state-specific plan, but all agreed to work together, put residents’ health first, and to use health outcomes and science to guide the decisions made. </snip> 1
RochesterRob Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 6 minutes ago, shoshin said: You’re making my point. Summer vacation from school is a time for a lot of kids to go to camps and other daytime activities. Those will only be open and available if they can be. Parents need them. It’s part of how they “figure it out” to use your phrase. Even during the summer recreation centers, camps, etc are not a 24/7 means of warehousing kids. There are the times where sports and other activities will not fill up the day for a kid. The times where the kid goes to grandma's or the stay at home aunt for example. Instead of waiting for the end of June the kid goes to the relative or the neighbor to be watched now.
B-Man Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 A New Strategy for Bringing People Back to Work During COVID-19 It’s imperative that we responsibly restore the economy while working to flatten the coronavirus curve. By Avik Roy https://freopp.org/a-new-strategy-for-bringing-people-back-to-work-during-covid-19-a912247f1ab5
shoshin Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 15 minutes ago, B-Man said: A New Strategy for Bringing People Back to Work During COVID-19 It’s imperative that we responsibly restore the economy while working to flatten the coronavirus curve. By Avik Roy https://freopp.org/a-new-strategy-for-bringing-people-back-to-work-during-covid-19-a912247f1ab5 Another voice advocating for using an app to track people’s movements via their cell phones. Good. He makes the interesting point that you’d need fewer tests if this was implemented, which is something I hadn’t considered.
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