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Just now, Circlethewagon8404 said:

Melvin Gordon?


Maybe... I don’t hate it, but it’s gotta be a damn good deal. I think he’s finding his market is way less than he wanted, and if that’s the case I would be fine taking him. I like the appeal of a turn key back who can get 12-20 carries dependent on need and you know what you’re getting. 

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Just now, whatdrought said:


A lot would have to change in camp and preseason for me to be okay keeping Croom over Sweeney... 

he's practically the owner's kid now though! 

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Just now, BuffaloHokie13 said:

Draft someone and trade star to the 49ers for Coleman after camp lol


Not the worst idea I’ve ever heard... 

Just now, BuffaloHokie13 said:

he's practically the owner's kid now though! 


lol. That joke is great, but as it stands now, if Croom gets a job over Sweeney then it’s not a joke and it’s just embarrassing for the whole organization. 😛

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It's now a 55 man roster per new CBA. While it seems like there aren't a lot of spots left to fill, by my count there are probably 16-17 roster spots in play, about 38 locks. 

 

If there are 38 locks right now:

 

1. They have 64 on roster so the first group fighting for jobs numbers 26

2. They will have 7 draft picks (as of now)

3. That leaves 19 roster spots to fill out to get to 90 going into training camp (actually 20 I think they still get exemption for Wade).

 

Locks on offense:

QB: Allen, Barkley

RB: Singletary

FB: DiMarco

WR: Diggs, Brown, Beasley, Roberts (return man)

OL: Morse, Dawkins, Spain, Feliciano, Ford, Nsekhe, Long

TE: Knox, Kroft, Sweeney

 

Total locks on offense: 18

 

Special teams: Hauschka, Ferguson and a punter - 3 locks

 

Locks on defense:

DL: Hughes, Addison, Jefferson, Butler, Oliver, H Phillips, Star

LB: Edmunds, Milano, Klein, Matakevich

CB: White, Wallace, T Johnson, Norman

S: Hyde, Poyer

 

Total locks on defense: 17

 

That's 38, 17 spots left.

 

Spots to fill:

RB: 2 Yeldon likely, at least 1 not on roster yet. Wade is a wild card but far from done deal. Add vet FA and/or draft 1

WR: 2 more, will get at least one in draft then either add a free agent or maybe D. Williams or Foster. 

OL: 2 more to get to 9 maybe even keep 10 with the roster now at 55. Bates probably stays but depends if they pick up a minimum guy (Waddle) also think they draft at least 1.

TE: Probably keep 4 so 1 more not convinced Lee Smith is here, could be cap casualty. 

 

DL: Add 2, probably keep 9, Murphy probably makes it but could see them cutting him loose, also have Darryl Johnson, if he shows promise they will want a developmental/young/cheap guy

LB: 3 more, Joseph and Dodson in mix, could bring back minimum salary guys for 1-2 spots and draft one

CB: 2 more, will draft 1, have SIran Neal who likely makes it

S: Need 2 have J. Johnson who they seem to like, may draft 1, Marlowe is always out there. 

 

That's how I think it breaks down. 

 

 

 

 

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1 minute ago, whatdrought said:


Maybe... I don’t hate it, but it’s gotta be a damn good deal. I think he’s finding his market is way less than he wanted, and if that’s the case I would be fine taking him. I like the appeal of a turn key back who can get 12-20 carries dependent on need and you know what you’re getting. 

Exactly.  I think we'll find a way to bring him in cheaper than what he's expecting since his market value should be low

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Just now, Circlethewagon8404 said:

Melvin Gordon?

 

He might be too expensive and not want to share carries with Singletary.

 

We're almost done with free agency. Just need to add a vet RB to replace Gore and maybe Chris Harris too. After the draft, Beane also needs to extend White, Milano, and Dawkins.

 

Of the OP's list, I think the following players end up getting replaced with draft picks and other free agents: Yeldon, Wade, Foster, Croom, Boettger, Thompson, Dodson, Phillips, Lewis.

 

Interesting note: 5 players on the roster have connections with Carolina, all on defense (Butler, Star, Klein, Addison, Norman).

 

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2 minutes ago, RealKayAdams said:

Of the OP's list, I think the following players end up getting replaced with draft picks and other free agents: Yeldon, Wade, Foster, Croom, Boettger, Thompson, Dodson, Phillips, Lewis.

Pretty much agree there

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2 minutes ago, RealKayAdams said:

 

He might be too expensive and not want to share carries with Singletary.

 

We're almost done with free agency. Just need to add a vet RB to replace Gore and maybe Chris Harris too. After the draft, Beane also needs to extend White, Milano, and Dawkins.

 

Of the OP's list, I think the following players end up getting replaced with draft picks and other free agents: Yeldon, Wade, Foster, Croom, Boettger, Thompson, Dodson, Phillips, Lewis.

 

Interesting note: 5 players on the roster have connections with Carolina, all on defense (Butler, Star, Klein, Addison, Norman).

 

Which FA RB do you see us going after?  Because we are so thin at RB, I think Yeldon stays.  Not a guaranteed lock yet, but I think his chance are good.

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Switch Josh Norman and Jaquon Johnson. You have them both at wrong position. Also switch Croom with Sweeny. Croom is more likely to be cut

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2 minutes ago, Kmart128 said:

Switch Josh Norman and Jaquon Johnson. You have them both at wrong position. Also switch Croom with Sweeny. Croom is more likely to be cut

I think Norman ends up at S, honestly. 

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2 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

I think Norman ends up at S, honestly. 

 

If we lose Johnson in free agency, I would assume CB is our target with our 2nd round pick.  

We would just be White and Wallace on the outside?

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4 minutes ago, Circlethewagon8404 said:

Which FA RB do you see us going after?  Because we are so thin at RB, I think Yeldon stays.  Not a guaranteed lock yet, but I think his chance are good.

 

I don't know, to be honest. I had assumed Howard was coming to Buffalo. There should be plenty of additional options through the draft and post-June cuts. Maybe the Bills should call Marshawn Lynch?! I saw him on the Westworld season opener the other night while locked up in my apartment waiting out this coronavirus apocalypse.

 

 

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24 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

Thought about dropping him and keeping Sweeney. I think his role in the locker room will be important with Alexander gone, but who knows?

I think Smith has too much downside to overcome locker room role. The culture is in place, the team is all but built. I can’t see him making the 53 but yeah, ya never know.

23 minutes ago, whatdrought said:


Maybe... I don’t hate it, but it’s gotta be a damn good deal. I think he’s finding his market is way less than he wanted, and if that’s the case I would be fine taking him. I like the appeal of a turn key back who can get 12-20 carries dependent on need and you know what you’re getting. 

MG at 3 years, 5 mil per is his value. He needs to understand this.

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Just now, Royale with Cheese said:

 

If we lose Johnson in free agency, I would assume CB is our target with our 2nd round pick.  

We would just be White and Wallace on the outside?

I mean, maybe Norman returns to form in the system that got him paid, but he's looking like the Deangelo Hall trajectory 

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5 minutes ago, RealKayAdams said:

 

I don't know, to be honest. I had assumed Howard was coming to Buffalo. There should be plenty of additional options through the draft and post-June cuts. Maybe the Bills should call Marshawn Lynch?! I saw him on the Westworld season opener the other night while locked up in my apartment waiting out this coronavirus apocalypse.

 

 

I think we all thought that too about Howard.  I guess if there was another one to pursue, I wouldn't mind taking a crack at Freeman.  I think he could rejuvenate his career here and would be a good compliment to Singletary. 

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Need another tackle and RB.  Also could use an upgrade at TE but that is likley not happeing.

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48 minutes ago, billsfan_34 said:

Lee Smith is as good as gone. Tough to carry 4 TE’s and 6 WR’s. Too much talent for him to stick and Duke will win out over Lee Smith all day as he can play a hybrid role in a pinch or be the big bodied receiver we need. 
 

Josh Norman is a corner. Say goodbye to Jaquan Johnson. 
 

Our punter was erratic last season- the Bills will bring in 2 legs to compete for the starting job. 
 

Yeldon was in the doghouse last year. Expect the Bills to draft a pounding back or grab one via FA. See ya Yeldon.

 

8 LB’s on the 53? Hmmmmm 

 

If you remove dimarco and consider the new guy core special teams it doesn't make a huge difference.

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54 minutes ago, billsfan_34 said:

8 LB’s on the 53? Hmmmmm

It's 55 now. And I'm only working with what we have under contract, so if it isn't 8 LBs it's 7-8 WRs (Easley and McCloud), 5-6 TEs (Sweeney and Becker), 5 OT (Salako), 6 DT (Taylor), 5-6 DE (Love and Woodard), or 2 Punters (Vedvik). Tell me you want the 2nd punter :lol:

Maybe Phillips drops for Sweeney, but everyone else is replacement level.

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1 hour ago, billsfan_34 said:

Lee Smith is as good as gone. Tough to carry 4 TE’s and 6 WR’s. Too much talent for him to stick and Duke will win out over Lee Smith all day as he can play a hybrid role in a pinch or be the big bodied receiver we need. 
 

Josh Norman is a corner. Say goodbye to Jaquan Johnson. 
 

Our punter was erratic last season- the Bills will bring in 2 legs to compete for the starting job. 
 

Yeldon was in the doghouse last year. Expect the Bills to draft a pounding back or grab one via FA. See ya Yeldon.

 

8 LB’s on the 53? Hmmmmm 

Hybrid role? Do you mean Duke could come in and play the blocking TE role? Lee and Sweeney are way better at that. Or did you mean a pass catching TE? Those spots are taken by better players. Knox, Kroft and even Croom would win that battle. He had enough trouble making the team at WR. With a group that was above average to good. Before FA officially starts and the draft, Duke is clinging to a roster spot. If we sign another vet WR and/or if someone like Claypool falls in our lap, Duke will be in trouble. At WR, let alone a hybrid role. Again, not sure what you meant by hybrid role though.

 

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9 minutes ago, Dopey said:

Hybrid role? Do you mean Duke could come in and play the blocking TE role? Lee and Sweeney are way better at that. Or did you mean a pass catching TE? Those spots are taken by better players. Knox, Kroft and even Croom would win that battle. He had enough trouble making the team at WR. With a group that was above average to good. Before FA officially starts and the draft, Duke is clinging to a roster spot. If we sign another vet WR and/or if someone like Claypool falls in our lap, Duke will be in trouble. At WR, let alone a hybrid role. Again, not sure what you meant by hybrid role though.

 

I do mean that- Duke can run block and his lack of bonehead plays trumps Smiths. The guy can block and that is about it. We wont carry 4 TE’s and there is better talent than Smith. I think Duke isn’t as bad off as some believe. Hybrid meaning- You can lone Duke up opposite another TE in a basic 2 TE set and still run the ball or get into a seam route.

54 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

It's 55 now. And I'm only working with what we have under contract, so if it isn't 8 LBs it's 7-8 WRs (Easley and McCloud), 5-6 TEs (Sweeney and Becker), 5 OT (Salako), 6 DT (Taylor), 5-6 DE (Love and Woodard), or 2 Punters (Vedvik). Tell me you want the 2nd punter :lol:

Maybe Phillips drops for Sweeney, but everyone else is replacement level.

I forgot its 55 now. As for punter- none of them please. They all suck.

1 hour ago, dneveu said:

 

If you remove dimarco and consider the new guy core special teams it doesn't make a huge difference.

Dimarco seems to stick like glue on this team

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I just don't see us carrying 3 QB's...probably will add another player to the roster other than QB

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3 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

I just don't see us carrying 3 QB's...probably will add another player to the roster other than QB

I don't either. Who from the cut/ps list are you suggesting instead? It's a starting point that will change as we sign (and draft) more players. I'd like more secondary, but we don't have anyone else under contract. 

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3 hours ago, jwhit34 said:

It's now a 55 man roster per new CBA. While it seems like there aren't a lot of spots left to fill, by my count there are probably 16-17 roster spots in play, about 38 locks. 

 

If there are 38 locks right now:

 

1. They have 64 on roster so the first group fighting for jobs numbers 26

2. They will have 7 draft picks (as of now)

3. That leaves 19 roster spots to fill out to get to 90 going into training camp (actually 20 I think they still get exemption for Wade).

 

Locks on offense:

QB: Allen, Barkley

RB: Singletary

FB: DiMarco

WR: Diggs, Brown, Beasley, Roberts (return man)

OL: Morse, Dawkins, Spain, Feliciano, Ford, Nsekhe, Long

TE: Knox, Kroft, Sweeney

 

Total locks on offense: 18

 

Special teams: Hauschka, Ferguson and a punter - 3 locks

 

Locks on defense:

DL: Hughes, Addison, Jefferson, Butler, Oliver, H Phillips, Star

LB: Edmunds, Milano, Klein, Matakevich

CB: White, Wallace, T Johnson, Norman

S: Hyde, Poyer

 

Total locks on defense: 17

 

That's 38, 17 spots left.

 

Spots to fill:

RB: 2 Yeldon likely, at least 1 not on roster yet. Wade is a wild card but far from done deal. Add vet FA and/or draft 1

WR: 2 more, will get at least one in draft then either add a free agent or maybe D. Williams or Foster. 

OL: 2 more to get to 9 maybe even keep 10 with the roster now at 55. Bates probably stays but depends if they pick up a minimum guy (Waddle) also think they draft at least 1.

TE: Probably keep 4 so 1 more not convinced Lee Smith is here, could be cap casualty. 

 

DL: Add 2, probably keep 9, Murphy probably makes it but could see them cutting him loose, also have Darryl Johnson, if he shows promise they will want a developmental/young/cheap guy

LB: 3 more, Joseph and Dodson in mix, could bring back minimum salary guys for 1-2 spots and draft one

CB: 2 more, will draft 1, have SIran Neal who likely makes it

S: Need 2 have J. Johnson who they seem to like, may draft 1, Marlowe is always out there. 

 

That's how I think it breaks down. 

 

 

 

 

That’s good work. I’d probably move DiMarco from lock to maybe. I’d probably move Neal to lock after the way he played late in the year. As a raw, young player he’s developed and is versatile. That’s nitpicking a little but overall really nice job!!

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4 hours ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

QB: Josh Allen, Matt Barkley

RB: Devin Singletary, TJ Yeldon, Christian Wade

FB: Patrick DiMarco

WR: Stefon Diggs, John Brown, Cole Beasley, Duke Williams, Robert Foster, Andre Roberts

TE: Dawson Knox, Tyler Kroft, Lee Smith, Tommy Sweeney, Jason Croom

OT: Dion Dawkins, Ty Nsekhe, Cody Ford, Ryan Bates

OG: Quinton Spain, Jon Feliciano, Spencer Long, Ike Boettger

OC: Mitch Morse

 

DT: Ed Oliver, Star Lotulelei, Quinton Jefferson, Vernon Butler, Harrison Phillips 

DE: Jerry Hughes, Mario Addison, Trent Murphy, Darryl Johnson

OLB: Matt Milano, AJ Klein, Vosean Joseph, Tyler Matakevich, Corey Thompson, Tyrel Dodson 

ILB: Tremaine Edmunds, Del'Shawn Phillips 

S: Micah Hyde, Jordan Poyer, Siran Neal, Jaquan Johnson 

CB: Tre'Davious White, Levi Wallace, Josh Norman, Taron Johnson, Cam Lewis

 

LS: Reid Ferguson 

K: Stephen Hauschka 

P: Corey Bojorquez

 

PS/Cuts: Davis Webb(QB), Nick Easley(WR), Ray-Ray McCloud(WR), Nate Becker(TE), Victor Salako(OT), Vincent Taylor(DT), Mike Love(DE), Jonathan Woodard(DE), Kaare Vedvik(P)

 

FA's that could be retained: Senorise Perry(RB), Isaiah McKenzie(WR), LaAdrian Waddle(OT), Isaac Asiata(OG), Corey Liuget(DT), Maurice Alexander(LB), Julian Stanford(LB), Kurt Coleman(S), Dean Marlowe(S), Kevin Johnson(CB)

 

Positions I think we're set at are FB, OG, C, DT, LS, K

Positions we are thin at are RB, ILB, S

Positions that I wouldn't be surprised to see more moves at are QB, WR, TE, OT, DE, OLB, CB, P

 

Thoughts? This is just based on what we know so far and I will try to keep the OP as up to date as possible. 

Only one Williams ? I remember those 6-8 wins years so fondly. 

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16 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

That’s good work. I’d probably move DiMarco from lock to maybe. I’d probably move Neal to lock after the way he played late in the year. As a raw, young player he’s developed and is versatile. That’s nitpicking a little but overall really nice job!!

Siran Neal definitely makes this team. That speed was unreal he played with. Playing slot or safety gives him a roster spot no doubt. 
 

Obviously as others pointed out it’s waaaaay too early but Vosean Joseph is gonna be backup ILB for Edmunds possibly along with the new special teams guy. That’s just my opinion. Joseph has traits that could push him into meaningful snaps quickly next season. Once again just my opinion but I’m big on the Vosean hype train 

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