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2 hours ago, GG said:

 

It wasn’t that long ago that people were fawning over Chiarrelli’s moves to toughen up that squad.

That Taylor Hall deal is still mystifying. It is understandable that teams want to reshape their rosters. However, when you give up a significant asset you should be expected to get a comparable or near comparable asset back. As you pointed out Chairrelli wanted to toughen his roster. It didn't work out. So years later the mistakes of the past are being addressed in the present. It's hard to move forward when you have to fix what you did in the past. 

 

The consensus in the local media is that Risto is going to be dealt. If you can't get equal value back then I say keep him. 

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10 hours ago, JohnC said:

That Taylor Hall deal is still mystifying. It is understandable that teams want to reshape their rosters. However, when you give up a significant asset you should be expected to get a comparable or near comparable asset back. As you pointed out Chairrelli wanted to toughen his roster. It didn't work out. So years later the mistakes of the past are being addressed in the present. It's hard to move forward when you have to fix what you did in the past. 

 

The consensus in the local media is that Risto is going to be dealt. If you can't get equal value back then I say keep him. 

revisionist history . The year the Oilers made that trade they ended their playoff drought , finished with 103 pts, won their first round series 4-2, lost to Anaheim (who was a beast at the time) 2-1 in a game 7 on the road( if they win they were in the conference finals). Wisdom then was the trade paid off in a big way and the Oilers were a team on the come. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, plenzmd1 said:

revisionist history . The year the Oilers made that trade they ended their playoff drought , finished with 103 pts, won their first round series 4-2, lost to Anaheim (who was a beast at the time) 2-1 in a game 7 on the road( if they win they were in the conference finals). Wisdom then was the trade paid off in a big way and the Oilers were a team on the come. 

 

 

In the long run trading Hall was a mistake. Sometimes short term success doesn't reflect smarter long term decisions that result in more sustained success. If you believe that trading Taylor Hall for Adam Larsson was in the long run a good deal then your talent judgment is very odd. Taylor Hall is one of the best forwards in the league. Larsson is a good player but compared to Hall from a talent standpoint he is a pigmy. 

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14 hours ago, JohnC said:

That Taylor Hall deal is still mystifying. It is understandable that teams want to reshape their rosters. However, when you give up a significant asset you should be expected to get a comparable or near comparable asset back. As you pointed out Chairrelli wanted to toughen his roster. It didn't work out. So years later the mistakes of the past are being addressed in the present. It's hard to move forward when you have to fix what you did in the past. 

 

The consensus in the local media is that Risto is going to be dealt. If you can't get equal value back then I say keep him. 

 

 

...think you have to........maybe he picks it up a step (hopefully) with a new HC riding his arse.....then again, could be wishful thinking.....

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2 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

 

...think you have to........maybe he picks it up a step (hopefully) with a new HC riding his arse.....then again, could be wishful thinking.....

It was reported that all the coaching candidates were asked by the GM what they would do to get better play out of Risto. So there is an indication that the organization believes that he has the talent to be better. The most important calculation by the GM in a prospective trade is whether the team is going to be better or not after the deal. That's a tough question to answer. Sometimes the trade calculation turns out to be right and sometimes not. 

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The more I hear from Don Granato, the more I am starting to like him. 

 

 

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Ehlers for Risto? Yes please. 

 

Roslovic and/or Perrault would add absolutely nothing. 

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3 hours ago, K-9 said:

 

Ehlers for Risto? Yes please. 

 

Roslovic and/or Perrault would add absolutely nothing. 

 

I feel like those 2 proposed trades are not even in the same ballpark, value wise. 

 

Ehlers would be a big get and would have me feeling good about Botterill’s ability to evaluate NHL talent (as of now his pro scouting staff is one of my biggest concerns)

 

Roslovic and Perreault would be another lesser prospect ROR style quantity trade.

It would make me feel like Botterill learned nothing from that ROR mistake and that his pro scouting staff is not very good.

 

 

One trade would have me feeling good about our future and the other would have me very concerned. 

 

 

https://wgr550.radio.com/articles/news/sabres-exchange-arbitration-numbers-rodrigues

 

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Buffalo Sabres forward Evan Rodrigues is getting ready to have his salary arbitration hearing with the National Hockey League on Tuesday, and now we have an idea of how far apart both sides are on contract negotiations.

 

Sportsnet's Elliotte Friedman reported on Sunday that the Sabres and Rodrigues are $1.15 million apart on numbers for a new contract. Rodrigues is asking for a deal that will pay him $2.65 million per-year, while the Sabres are hoping to get him under contract with an average annual value of $1.5 million.

 

The Sabres and Rodrigues still have until Tuesday to avoid arbitration and come to terms on a new contract. 

 

I’d give him $2.5M on a 4yr deal. Could give Buffalo a chance to get a potential top 6 F under contract at a bargain. But I doubt Botterill does it. He seems very cautious when giving out any term in a deal. A lot of contracts have been for 1-2 years so far under him. 

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2 hours ago, BillsFan4 said:

 

I feel like those 2 proposed trades are not even in the same ballpark, value wise. 

 

Ehlers would be a big get and would have me feeling good about Botterill’s ability to evaluate NHL talent (as of now his pro scouting staff is one of my biggest concerns)

 

Roslovic and Perreault would be another lesser prospect ROR style quantity trade.

It would make me feel like Botterill learned nothing from that ROR mistake and that his pro scouting staff is not very good.

 

 

One trade would have me feeling good about our future and the other would have me very concerned. 

 

 

https://wgr550.radio.com/articles/news/sabres-exchange-arbitration-numbers-rodrigues

 

 

I’d give him $2.5M on a 4yr deal. Could give Buffalo a chance to get a potential top 6 F under contract at a bargain. But I doubt Botterill does it. He seems very cautious when giving out any term in a deal. A lot of contracts have been for 1-2 years so far under him. 

I like Rodrigues because of his speed and consistent strong effort. However, I don't see him as a second line forward as either a winger or center. In my view he would make a superb third line versatile winger. My problem isn't with how much he will earn as it is where he is slotted. If he is slotted on a second line then in my estimation the line would be less than average.  

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2 hours ago, BillsFan4 said:

 

I feel like those 2 proposed trades are not even in the same ballpark, value wise. 

 

Ehlers would be a big get and would have me feeling good about Botterill’s ability to evaluate NHL talent (as of now his pro scouting staff is one of my biggest concerns)

 

Roslovic and Perreault would be another lesser prospect ROR style quantity trade.

It would make me feel like Botterill learned nothing from that ROR mistake and that his pro scouting staff is not very good.

 

 

One trade would have me feeling good about our future and the other would have me very concerned. 

 

 

https://wgr550.radio.com/articles/news/sabres-exchange-arbitration-numbers-rodrigues

 

 

I’d give him $2.5M on a 4yr deal. Could give Buffalo a chance to get a potential top 6 F under contract at a bargain. But I doubt Botterill does it. He seems very cautious when giving out any term in a deal. A lot of contracts have been for 1-2 years so far under him. 

I wish I could see ERod as a top 6 forward, but I don’t. He disappears for long stretches. I like him and my hope is that enough talent pushes him down to the bottom six role I feel he’s more suite for. 2.5m seems a bit steep to me, but it’s the NHL and salaries are escalating, so in a short time it could look like a steal.

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57 minutes ago, JohnC said:

I like Rodrigues because of his speed and consistent strong effort. However, I don't see him as a second line forward as either a winger or center. In my view he would make a superb third line versatile winger. My problem isn't with how much he will earn as it is where he is slotted. If he is slotted on a second line then in my estimation the line would be less than average.  

 

54 minutes ago, K-9 said:

I wish I could see ERod as a top 6 forward, but I don’t. He disappears for long stretches. I like him and my hope is that enough talent pushes him down to the bottom six role I feel he’s more suite for. 2.5m seems a bit steep to me, but it’s the NHL and salaries are escalating, so in a short time it could look like a steal.

 

I didn’t mean that I see ERod as a top 6 F right now. 

 

I was saying that I’d be good with giving him a 4yr deal at $2.5M, betting that it could look like a great depth signing in a couple years. I’d only be willing to that high on a longer deal though. 

 

If they give ERod a 1-2 year deal, the $1.5M the Sabres are offering sounds more in line. Maybe $2M on a 2yr deal (though that would take him right to UFA).  

 

I don't know that he will ever be a full time top 6 guy. But I think he has the potential to be a very good 3rd line player that can move into the top 6 when needed and give you maybe 40pts a year (which would be a bargain at $2.5M, especially in 2yrs time). 

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The attached WGR link is a 19 minute segment talking about the Sabres and making projections about the roster. In the second half of the segment the guest, Peter Johnson from NHL.com, discusses the rest of the division and the challenge facing the Sabres going against teams that also have improved. Florida is the team that he believes is going to step up. There is nothing exotic about his comments other than it is a fair depiction of where this team is at. 

 

https://wgr550.radio.com/media/audio-channel/07-20-nhlcoms-pete-jensen-sneaky-joe

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7 minutes ago, JohnC said:

The attached WGR link is a 19 minute segment talking about the Sabres and making projections about the roster. In the second half of the segment the guest, Peter Johnson from NHL.com, discusses the rest of the division and the challenge facing the Sabres going against teams that also have improved. Florida is the team that he believes is going to step up. There is nothing exotic about his comments other than it is a fair depiction of where this team is at. 

 

https://wgr550.radio.com/media/audio-channel/07-20-nhlcoms-pete-jensen-sneaky-joe

So 2025 or so?

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I didn’t realize erod’s fancy stats were so good. (not sure I agree that he’s better than Kevin Labanc though)

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Surprised it hasn't been mentioned already... Today is RJ's birthday, 77 years young.

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anyone needs a kick in the nuts, No Goal is on NHL Network. Good the hear Gary Thorne again..man how did we watch hockey in SD???

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1 hour ago, plenzmd1 said:

anyone needs a kick in the nuts, No Goal is on NHL Network. Good the hear Gary Thorne again..man how did we watch hockey in SD???

I’ll get to that right after I’m done watching the wide right, homerun throwback double feature. I have to keep telling myself, “it’s on,y a movie, it’s only a movie, it’s only a movie.” 

 

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8 minutes ago, K-9 said:

I’ll get to that right after I’m done watching the wide right, homerun throwback double feature. I have to keep telling myself, “it’s on,y a movie, it’s only a movie, it’s only a movie.” 

 

 

You'll love the 90 minute interview with Jay McKee’s shin guard. 

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So it looks like the Sabres and ERod went through with the arbitration hearing. They can still come to an agreement before the arbitrator rules. 

 

Hopefully whatever happens it doesn't sour the relationship between him and the team. But I’m not going to lose sleep over it if it does. 

 

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10 hours ago, BillsFan4 said:

So it looks like the Sabres and ERod went through with the arbitration hearing. They can still come to an agreement before the arbitrator rules. 

 

Hopefully whatever happens it doesn't sour the relationship between him and the team. But I’m not going to lose sleep over it if it does. 

 

I’m not losing any sleep, either. As much as we like ERod and some other players, the simple fact is they are readily replaceable, non impact role fillers and little more. 

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5 hours ago, K-9 said:

I’m not losing any sleep, either. As much as we like ERod and some other players, the simple fact is they are readily replaceable, non impact role fillers and little more. 

I could be wrong, but I always viewed ERod as the team throwing a bone to Jack.  He's been a pleasant surprise, but like you said, replaceable.  

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40 minutes ago, stony said:

I could be wrong, but I always viewed ERod as the team throwing a bone to Jack.  He's been a pleasant surprise, but like you said, replaceable.  

 

They signed him before they drafted Eichel.  Granted at that point they did know he would be their draft pick, but I'd say it's a bit of a stretch to think they would have done it for him at that point.

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18 hours ago, shrader said:

 

They signed him before they drafted Eichel.  Granted at that point they did know he would be their draft pick, but I'd say it's a bit of a stretch to think they would have done it for him at that point.

I thought they did too..but i really like Erod. I view him as the kind of guy you need on the 3rd line to be successful, I was hoping for a 3 year, $2.25..who says no to that deal? Sabres or Erod?

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1 hour ago, plenzmd1 said:

I thought they did too..but i really like Erod. I view him as the kind of guy you need on the 3rd line to be successful, I was hoping for a 3 year, $2.25..who says no to that deal? Sabres or Erod?

 

I think Erod would have rejected that.  At this point he's going to want a deal that takes him to UFA status.  I'm too lazy to dig up the specifics, but that's either a 1 or 2 year deal.  But regardless, this far removed from the hearing, they're past the point of negotiation, so really, no one is going to say yes or no to that deal.

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4 minutes ago, shrader said:

 

I think Erod would have rejected that.  At this point he's going to want a deal that takes him to RFA status.  I'm too lazy to dig up the specifics, but that's either a 1 or 2 year deal.  But regardless, this far removed from the hearing, they're past the point of negotiation, so really, no one is going to say yes or no to that deal.

did you mean UFA?  I am really not sure how these things work when they sign the ELC as a free agent out of college. Same thing as if they sign before they graduate?

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