oldmanfan Posted January 26, 2019 Posted January 26, 2019 On 1/26/2019 at 8:51 PM, #34fan said: BB started by getting a real Job for an NFL team. -He wasn't some hack peddling his meager position knowledge as a 'side hustle'. I also prefer lawyers who've been in front of judges before. Shocking, I know. Expand You keep making ridiculous false comparisons.
#34fan Posted January 26, 2019 Posted January 26, 2019 On 1/26/2019 at 8:38 PM, Warcodered said: Also I'm pretty sure their point was that Bill Belichick has never played in the NFL and yet is still a good coach. Expand Yah. -And I'm pretty sure that comparing the two is absurd.
Logic Posted January 26, 2019 Posted January 26, 2019 (edited) On 1/26/2019 at 6:28 PM, Bangarang said: How does this thread have so many pages!? How much discussion could this topic possibly bring? Expand I was just thinking this exact thing. WTF How could anyone view the Bills quarterback putting in extra work in the offseason as a bad thing? Just because they don't like the person with whom said QB has chosen to train?! Some people could kvetch about a free lunch. Sheesh. Edited January 26, 2019 by Logic
#34fan Posted January 26, 2019 Posted January 26, 2019 On 1/26/2019 at 8:51 PM, oldmanfan said: You keep making ridiculous false comparisons. Expand Like comparing one of the most successful coaches of all time to someone who's never had a job in the NFL?
oldmanfan Posted January 26, 2019 Posted January 26, 2019 On 1/26/2019 at 9:29 PM, #34fan said: Like comparing one of the most successful coaches of all time to someone who's never had a job in the NFL? Expand I did nothing of the kind. What are you talking about?
#34fan Posted January 26, 2019 Posted January 26, 2019 (edited) On 1/26/2019 at 9:22 PM, Logic said: How could anyone view the Bills quarterback putting in extra work in the offseason as a bad thing? Just because they don't like the person with whom said QB has chosen to train?! Expand All that "person" ever did in college,or the the NFL was suck. it's not as personal as you imply. On 1/26/2019 at 9:31 PM, oldmanfan said: I did nothing of the kind. Expand Never said you did. -But you want to, don't you? Edited January 26, 2019 by #34fan
oldmanfan Posted January 26, 2019 Posted January 26, 2019 On 1/26/2019 at 9:32 PM, #34fan said: All that "person" ever did in college,or the the NFL was suck. it's not as personal as you imply. Never said you did. -But you want to, don't you? Expand What an absurd statement. 1
Warcodered Posted January 26, 2019 Posted January 26, 2019 On 1/26/2019 at 9:29 PM, #34fan said: Like comparing one of the most successful coaches of all time to someone who's never had a job in the NFL? Expand The point people were making was that he didn't need to of been a great NFL player to be a good coach. Which seems to be important to you even though we can probably find a lot of other examples of bad players good coaches. On 1/26/2019 at 9:32 PM, #34fan said: All that "person" ever did in college,or the the NFL was suck. it's not as personal as you imply. Expand
WideNine Posted January 26, 2019 Posted January 26, 2019 (edited) On 1/26/2019 at 6:45 PM, #34fan said: And I don't see why a failed QB who's never held a 'coaching' job with any pro team should be molding my franchise QB. Yah... Possibly even getting worse. Expand I sense trolling in our future..... So your take is that our 1st year QB should be working out with Belichick? Where do we even begin to address this line of solid reasoning? 1. If you are not just trolling for the kicks,(there is waay to much negative in your posts). You realize that many NFL players participate in private training camps in the off-season - this us nothing new. If they feel it helps their game they stay with it. Darnold, Allen, and Watson feels his program helps their game. There you go. 2. It does not take successful QBs to make good coaches. In fact, being good decision makers and judges of talent may have nothing to do with an individual's career success. AKA John Elway running the Broncos org and every QB they have into the artificial turf. 3. Even a cursory search on the subject disproves your passionately misguided thoughts on the subject. https://www.cincyjungle.com/2019/1/14/18180443/bengals-head-coach-nfl-head-coaches-quarterbacks-la-rams-zac-taylor 4. Alex VanPelt - warmly regarded in his time with the Bills as the Pill as he was shaped like the Pillsbury Doughboy. He could read defenses, knew exactly where to go with the ball, and would throw some of the ugliest wounded duck passes you ever saw. Been a successful QB coach for years, part of the Green Bay coaching exit in 2018, picked up by the Bengals new staff. Edited January 26, 2019 by WideNine 1
#34fan Posted January 26, 2019 Posted January 26, 2019 On 1/26/2019 at 9:39 PM, Warcodered said: The point people were making was that he didn't need to of been a great NFL player to be a good coach. Expand A 100% straw-man point considering no one said you needed to be. What I'd prefer, (for my 1st round QB) is someone with a track record of success coaching in the league. -However small. Get a job. -Assisting... Coaching... Something... Palmer's crap career is only relevant because it's his only professional credential... A fact that should worry those interested in Allen's development.
Warcodered Posted January 26, 2019 Posted January 26, 2019 On 1/26/2019 at 10:22 PM, #34fan said: A 100% straw-man point considering no one said you needed to be. What I'd prefer, (for my 1st round QB) is someone with a track record of success coaching in the league. -However small. Get a job. -Assisting... Coaching... Something... Palmer's crap career is only relevant because it's his only professional credential... A fact that should worry those interested in Allen's development. Expand He's had this job for several years now and has been hired repeatedly by some of the top QB prospects of each draft. I mean I've also brought up that after working with him Allen's mechanics actually seemed to improve but you just seem to like to ignore that point. On 1/23/2019 at 9:36 AM, #34fan said: We could have had Frank Reich! We're supposed to get all excited becuz Josh is working with a former marginal pro/college QB. Josh doesn't need a teacher. He needs a coach. Expand I mean I suppose you didn't specifically say you had to of been a good NFL QB but I'd say you at least heavily implied it. 1
Logic Posted January 26, 2019 Posted January 26, 2019 On 1/26/2019 at 9:32 PM, #34fan said: All that "person" ever did in college,or the the NFL was suck. it's not as personal as you imply. Expand It's funny. Allen seemed to improve greatly under Palmer between the Senior Bowl and training camp with the Bills. But I'm sure you know better. Because, ya know, no former bad or mediocre NFL player has ever gone on to succeed as a coach or anything ?
K-9 Posted January 26, 2019 Posted January 26, 2019 On 1/26/2019 at 8:51 PM, #34fan said: BB started by getting a real Job for an NFL team. -He wasn't some hack peddling his meager position knowledge as a 'side hustle'. I also prefer lawyers who've been in front of judges before. Shocking, I know. Expand One of the most myopic takes in TBD history. Congrats! Oh, and Belichick got his start breaking down game film for his dad at the Naval Academy as a 10 year old. He was a football prodigy for crissakes.
#34fan Posted January 26, 2019 Posted January 26, 2019 On 1/26/2019 at 10:14 PM, WideNine said: I sense trolling in our future..... Expand Oh do you, now? On 1/26/2019 at 10:14 PM, WideNine said: 4. Alex VanPelt - warmly regarded in his time with the Bills as the Pill as he was shaped like the Pillsbury Doughboy. He could read defenses, knew exactly where to go with the ball, and would throw some of the ugliest wounded duck passes you ever saw. Been a successful QB coach for years, part of the Green Bay coaching exit in 2018, picked up by the Bengals new staff. Expand Exactly... Got a real Job, and accrued legit credentials. -Worked for FREE @ UB in order to build that resume. On 1/26/2019 at 10:14 PM, WideNine said: 3. Even a cursory search on the subject disproves your passionately misguided thoughts on the subject. https://www.cincyjungle.com/2019/1/14/18180443/bengals-head-coach-nfl-head-coaches-quarterbacks-la-rams-zac-taylor Expand And again….Zac Taylor's credentials: As coach: Texas A&M (2008–2011) Graduate assistant Miami Dolphins (2012) Assistant quarterbacks coach Miami Dolphins (2013–2015) Quarterbacks coach Miami Dolphins (2015) Offensive coordinator & quarterbacks coach Cincinnati (2016) Are you really this bad, or do you enjoy making my points for me?
WideNine Posted January 26, 2019 Posted January 26, 2019 (edited) On 1/26/2019 at 11:30 PM, #34fan said: Oh do you, now? Exactly... Got a real Job, and accrued legit credentials. -Worked for FREE @ UB in order to build that resume. Expand ....and then went on as a paid coach for the: Buffalo Bills, Tampa Bay, Green Bay, and now Cincinnati. Ohhhh...you got me there. 13 minutes ago, #34fan said: And again….Zac Taylor's credentials: As coach: Texas A&M (2008–2011) Graduate assistant Miami Dolphins (2012) Assistant quarterbacks coach Miami Dolphins (2013–2015) Quarterbacks coach Miami Dolphins (2015) Offensive coordinator & quarterbacks coach Cincinnati (2016) Are you really this bad, or do you enjoy making my points for me? ....almost there you almost got to the point of the article below. Which was that there are plenty of successful coaches that were no great shakes as former QB's, or career backups: Expand "Other former quarterbacks or quarterbacks coaches who are active head coaches are Freddie Kitchens, Matt Nagy, Frank Reich, Kyle Shanahan, Bruce Arians, Jay Gruden, Adam Gase and Kliff Kingsbury." so I am kind of done with your nonsense. 13 minutes ago, #34fan said: Expand Edited January 26, 2019 by WideNine
#34fan Posted January 26, 2019 Posted January 26, 2019 On 1/26/2019 at 10:55 PM, K-9 said: Oh, and Belichick got his start breaking down game film for his dad at the Naval Academy as a 10 year old. He was a football prodigy for crissakes. Expand A football prodigy who took a $25 a week job assisting Ted Marchibroda on the Baltimore colts? Your arguments against honest work would be hilarious if they weren't so pitiful.
#34fan Posted January 26, 2019 Posted January 26, 2019 On 1/26/2019 at 10:52 PM, Logic said: But I'm sure you know better. Because, ya know, no former bad or mediocre NFL player has ever gone on to succeed as a coach or anything ? Expand Palmer giving himself the 'coach' handle is like you giving yourself the "Logic" handle. Anybody can totally say anything.
Saxum Posted January 26, 2019 Posted January 26, 2019 On 1/26/2019 at 10:14 PM, WideNine said: 4. Alex VanPelt - warmly regarded in his time with the Bills as the Pill as he was shaped like the Pillsbury Doughboy. He could read defenses, knew exactly where to go with the ball, and would throw some of the ugliest wounded duck passes you ever saw. Been a successful QB coach for years, part of the Green Bay coaching exit in 2018, picked up by the Bengals new staff. Expand Rodgers was very unhappy about him not being renewed and felt he should be involved in decision.
#34fan Posted January 27, 2019 Posted January 27, 2019 On 1/26/2019 at 11:39 PM, WideNine said: ....and then went on as a paid coach for the: Buffalo Bills, Tampa Bay, Green Bay, and now Cincinnati. Ohhhh...you got me there. "Other former quarterbacks or quarterbacks coaches who are active head coaches are Freddie Kitchens, Matt Nagy, Frank Reich, Kyle Shanahan, Bruce Arians, Jay Gruden, Adam Gase and Kliff Kingsbury." so I am kind of done with your nonsense. Expand Who's nonsense? -Your nonsense? All I wanted was a coach who's actually coached somewhere before. -Someone with a point of reference besides their own terrible career.
Warcodered Posted January 27, 2019 Posted January 27, 2019 On 1/26/2019 at 10:52 PM, Logic said: It's funny. Allen seemed to improve greatly under Palmer between the Senior Bowl and training camp with the Bills. But I'm sure you know better. Because, ya know, no former bad or mediocre NFL player has ever gone on to succeed as a coach or anything ? Expand At this point I think he's just specifically ignoring this. On 1/27/2019 at 12:00 AM, #34fan said: Who's nonsense? -Your nonsense? All I wanted was a coach who's actually coached somewhere before. -Someone with a point of reference besides their own terrible career. Expand How many former QB coaches are there that now work outside the system in the offseason? 1
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