Sig1Hunter Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 17 minutes ago, The_Dude said: If they have a gun and are shooting at you, yes. If they're stealing candy bars, no. Not that hard. Oh, i. missed the part where the cop killed the 14 year old thief. The video only showed him taking him to the ground. Couldn't tase him, that would be excessive force to you. Cant hit him with a baton, excessive force again to you. Cant take him down either, i guess. Cops just gotta say "pretty please let me handcuff you and take you to jail", and hope for compliance. When it isn't gained, i guess they just walk away? It's interesting that implicit in your rambling nonsense of a post upthread, is one certain fact: That 13 year old boys are capable of causing violence / death to other people. In this case the thief didn't have much time to decide and act upon that. The officer doesn't know if the kid has a knife/gun/etc. The moment physical resistance is encountered, swift and decisive control becomes necessary. Whether or not you understand this is irrelevant. Its not your legal obligation to make that decision from your perch upon a steaming pile of ignorance. NEWSFLASH: putting a full size human that doesn't want to go in handcuffs, in handcuffs, can be difficult and dirty work. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 Were the cops over 30? If they were then they are "The Man" and you know you can't trust "The Man". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 I don't at all see what the big deal was. Kid got what he deserved and was lucky he didn't get more. He was being a clown. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted December 20, 2018 Author Share Posted December 20, 2018 Just now, Sig1Hunter said: Oh, i. missed the part where the cop killed the 14 year old thief. The video only showed him taking him to the ground. Couldn't tase him, that would be excessive force to you. Cant hit him with a baton, excessive force again to you. Cant take him down either, i guess. Cops just gotta say "pretty please let me handcuff you and take you to jail", and hope for compliance. When it isn't gained, i guess they just walk away? It's interesting that implicit in your rambling nonsense of a post upthread, is one certain fact: That 13 year old boys are capable of causing violence / death to other people. In this case the thief didn't have much time to decide and act upon that. The officer doesn't know if the kid has a knife/gun/etc. The moment physical resistance is encountered, swift and decisive control becomes necessary. Whether or not you understand this is irrelevant. Its not your legal obligation to make that decision from your perch upon a steaming pile of ignorance. NEWSFLASH: putting a full size human that doesn't want to go in handcuffs, in handcuffs, can be difficult and dirty work. 1. (the bolded) I never made that point or suggested it -- you did for some reason. Your logic is squirrelly at best so I wont try to follow it. 2. ESCALATION OF FORCE -- it starts with 'come here, son' and not a body slam. 3. You're an idiot for the 2nd bolded. Why are soldiers required to make proper identification of a deadly threat, but cops can just assume the potential when it comes to a child? That seems idiotic. 4. Your 3rd bolded -- as a guy who has killed people and used deadly force I think I know a thing or two about restraint and being decisive. 5. I've put many a person in cuffs....well, zip strip cuffs. It's not that hard. 6. The kid deserved detention or in school suspension, not a body slam by an armed, grown man. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 26 minutes ago, Not at the table Karlos said: So wouldn't that make the original post that I quoted a piss poor post because the guy assumed he resisted? Yep. But note that the original poster is a known congenital idiot. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 Just now, The_Dude said: 1. (the bolded) I never made that point or suggested it -- you did for some reason. Your logic is squirrelly at best so I wont try to follow it. 2. ESCALATION OF FORCE -- it starts with 'come here, son' and not a body slam. 3. You're an idiot for the 2nd bolded. Why are soldiers required to make proper identification of a deadly threat, but cops can just assume the potential when it comes to a child? That seems idiotic. 4. Your 3rd bolded -- as a guy who has killed people and used deadly force I think I know a thing or two about restraint and being decisive. 5. I've put many a person in cuffs....well, zip strip cuffs. It's not that hard. 6. The kid deserved detention or in school suspension, not a body slam by an armed, grown man. You're like the retard brother of the retard who was dog90210 who's more aggressive/unbalanced/angry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sig1Hunter Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 Just now, The_Dude said: 1. (the bolded) I never made that point or suggested it -- you did for some reason. Your logic is squirrelly at best so I wont try to follow it. 2. ESCALATION OF FORCE -- it starts with 'come here, son' and not a body slam. 3. You're an idiot for the 2nd bolded. Why are soldiers required to make proper identification of a deadly threat, but cops can just assume the potential when it comes to a child? That seems idiotic. 4. Your 3rd bolded -- as a guy who has killed people and used deadly force I think I know a thing or two about restraint and being decisive. 5. I've put many a person in cuffs....well, zip strip cuffs. It's not that hard. 6. The kid deserved detention or in school suspension, not a body slam by an armed, grown man. Uh... what? Cops have to identify a deadly threat before using deadly force. Again, i missed the part where deadly force was used. This was a simple take down. It's funny that you watch a 4 second video and presume that's where the incident started. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 1 minute ago, Boyst62 said: I don't at all see what the big deal was. Kid got what he deserved and was lucky he didn't get more. He was being a clown. He doesn't appear to be injured at all in either the video or the news follow-up story. But what if he was paralyzed? What if he died? What if he was my son? Some day we'll stop judging some fake scenario and instead deal with what actually did happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 12 minutes ago, Not at the table Karlos said: Coach has no legal right to detain anybody. The kid can legally fight the coach if he puts his hands on him. That is not resisting arrest. He broke the law by stealing a candy bar. He did not break the law by getting away from the coach. The police broke the law by assaulting a minor. Your "understanding" of what is permissible during the commission of a crime is uninformed. In Georgia, as in most places, it is lawful for a private citizen to detain or subdue someone who is destroying or stealing private property: https://law.justia.com/codes/georgia/2010/title-17/chapter-4/article-4/17-4-60 Individuals have every right to stop and detain someone who is committing a crime. As far as your second assertion that the police "assaulted" a minor: No, they did not, they used a low level physical force to stop an individual who was resisting their lawful authority. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sig1Hunter Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 11 minutes ago, The_Dude said: 4. Your 3rd bolded -- as a guy who has killed people and used deadly force I think I know a thing or two about restraint and being decisive. You apparently don't know jackschit about being decisive. It's easy to pull a trigger on someone 350 yards away in a "third world shithole" where "Hajis" are seen as some subhuman form of life by you. Being decisive is making a split second decision to control a situation before it escalates, knowing full well that everyone and their brother is recording it and every dumbass and douchebag on the internet will judge you for your actions, even if they are legal and proper. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted December 20, 2018 Author Share Posted December 20, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Sig1Hunter said: Uh... what? Cops have to identify a deadly threat before using deadly force. Again, i missed the part where deadly force was used. This was a simple take down. It's funny that you watch a 4 second video and presume that's where the incident started. 1. I mean, yeah. You can't just kill people -- that's murder. 2. Their violence of action was completely unnecessary. I could have handled that situation with no violence. 3. I don't presume that -- you just presume I do. Edited December 20, 2018 by The_Dude 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sig1Hunter Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 1 minute ago, The_Dude said: 1. I mean, yeah. You can't just kill people -- that's matter. 2. Their violence of action was completely unnecessary. I could have handled that situation with no violence. 3. I don't presume that -- you just presume I do. Dang...too bad you couldn't get hired. I bet i know why, and it isn't because you admitted to toking a little weed back in the day.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 14 minutes ago, shrader said: He doesn't appear to be injured at all in either the video or the news follow-up story. But what if he was paralyzed? What if he died? What if he was my son? Some day we'll stop judging some fake scenario and instead deal with what actually did happen. Hw would have deserved it. Life choices have consequences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted December 20, 2018 Author Share Posted December 20, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Sig1Hunter said: Dang...too bad you couldn't get hired. I bet i know why, and it isn't because you admitted to toking a little weed back in the day.... I'm glad. The job is beneath my talents. I imagine its a lot like garrison army which is the gayest thing in the history gayness. Just now, Boyst62 said: Hw would have deserved it. Life choices have consequences. Youre a ***** idiot. Stealing a candy bar should never result in being slammed. Edited December 20, 2018 by The_Dude 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Not at the table Karlos said: Coach has no legal right to detain anybody. The kid can legally fight the coach if he puts his hands on him. That is not resisting arrest. He broke the law by stealing a candy bar. He did not break the law by getting away from the coach. The police broke the law by assaulting a minor. The coach was stopping the riot- it was within his job duties as a member of the school staff. The police further stopped the riot. It’s not assault when the police are stopping a crime. It’s their job. 24 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Yep. But note that the original poster is a known congenital idiot. Is that me that you’re referring to? Edited December 20, 2018 by whatdrought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 4 minutes ago, whatdrought said: Is that me that you’re referring to? It's The_Dude. But if you feel left out...you're a congenital idiot, too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 10 minutes ago, The_Dude said: I'm glad. The job is beneath my talents. I imagine its a lot like garrison army which is the gayest thing in the history gayness. Youre a ***** idiot. Stealing a candy bar should never result in being slammed. He didn't get it for stealing the candy bar you hair licked amoeba sucking buffoon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted December 20, 2018 Author Share Posted December 20, 2018 5 minutes ago, Boyst62 said: He didn't get it for stealing the candy bar you hair licked amoeba sucking buffoon You're an idiot if you think that kinda force was necessary. A ***** idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 12 minutes ago, DC Tom said: It's The_Dude. But if you feel left out...you're a congenital idiot, too. Thanks Tom. My Christmas season is complete. Once I look up congenital I’ll be good to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, whatdrought said: Thanks Tom. My Christmas season is complete. Once I look up congenital I’ll be good to go. You wouldn't be a congenital idiot if you knew what it meant... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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