Typical TBD Guy Posted September 8, 2004 Share Posted September 8, 2004 His career to date has been up and down. He's seemingly had amazing seasons one season followed by mediocre ones the next (usually due to either injury or serious offensive problems with the coaches/QB at control). So what do you think will be the minimum stats or team accomplishments (playoff victories, etc...) for him to qualify for the HOF by the time he retires? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted September 8, 2004 Share Posted September 8, 2004 Moulds, as much as I love him, is not HoF material. It would take signficant personal accomplishments like a 2000 yard season or a Super Bowl MVP for him to even have a chance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted September 8, 2004 Share Posted September 8, 2004 It would take 4 seasons in a row (starting this year) of 1300-1400+ yards and 10+ TDs and 80+ catches. It sucks that the guy has had to work with the bottom of the barrel in terms of QBs during his career, but they won't take that into consideration when voting into the hall. He needs to start putting up huge numbers every year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted September 8, 2004 Share Posted September 8, 2004 Right now a bus pass for a tour that Jack in Syracuse sets up. WR is now a position that's going to take sick stats to measure up. EM has a long way to go and a short time to get there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typical TBD Guy Posted September 8, 2004 Author Share Posted September 8, 2004 Hmm, well at least he'll be a shoe-in for the Bills Wall of Fame. You all are right in the fact that WR HOF'ers are now going to be held to some pretty absurd statistical standards. What current WR's you think will be HOF material? Aside from Jerry Rice and probably Tim Brown, I think Marvin Harrison and Randy Moss will make the HOF by career's end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted September 8, 2004 Share Posted September 8, 2004 Hmm, well at least he'll be a shoe-in for the Bills Wall of Fame. You all are right in the fact that WR HOF'ers are now going to be held to some pretty absurd statistical standards. What current WR's you think will be HOF material? Aside from Jerry Rice and probably Tim Brown, I think Marvin Harrison and Randy Moss will make the HOF by career's end. 21361[/snapback] Think about it folks, Art Monk has been passed over 3 times now. Art has SB rings, and is top 5 on a lot of the WR records lists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted September 8, 2004 Share Posted September 8, 2004 Think about it folks, Art Monk has been passed over 3 times now. Art has SB rings, and is top 5 on a lot of the WR records lists. 21362[/snapback] True, but Monk was NEVER a dominate receiver, he just had longevity on his side...that does count for something, but I want to see dominating players in the Hall, not guys who were just productive for long periods of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted September 8, 2004 Share Posted September 8, 2004 True, but Monk was NEVER a dominate receiver, he just had longevity on his side...that does count for something, but I want to see dominating players in the Hall, not guys who were just productive for long periods of time. 21370[/snapback] He made it to the Pro Bowl 3 times, was rookie of the year, and had 100+ catches in 1984 (I think), long before anyone else sniffed the mark. He had 80+ catches sveral times, and while he probably should have quit a few years earlier he had the most catches record in 12 years or so. Monk was a great receiver, and dominated sveral years. Again he also has 2 Super Bowl rings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lori Posted September 8, 2004 Share Posted September 8, 2004 Going to be tough - and it'll only get tougher, as guys like Jerry Rice and Marvin Harrison keep raising the bar for all modern-era WRs to get in. If you don't have good numbers combined with a Super Bowl ring or four - IMHO, Lynn Swann doesn't make it without the Super Bowl X MVP award AND the national TV gig - then your stats have to be un-friggin'-believable. The last five WRs to be elected to the Hall: *James Lofton, Class of 2003 (10 years after retirement) 16 seasons; 764 catches-14,004 yds-75 TDs; 8 Pro Bowls *John Stallworth, Class of 2002 (15 yrs. after retirement) 14 seasons; 537 catches-8,723 yds-63 TDs; 4 Pro Bowls; 4 SB rings *Lynn Swann, Class of 2001 (19 yrs. after retirement) 8 seasons; 336 catches-5,462 yds-51 TDs; 3 Pro Bowls; 4 SB rings, 1 SB MVP *Charlie Joiner, Class of 1996 (10 yrs. after retirement) 18 seasons; 750 catches-12,146 yds-65 TDs; 3 Pro Bowls *Steve Largent, Class of 1995 (6 yrs. after retirement) 14 seasons; 819 catches-13,089 yds-100 TDs; 7 Pro Bowls. Largent was also the career catches-yardage-TD record holder when he retired. That's it for the last fifteen years. Before them, you have to go back to 1988 to find the last WR elected, Fred Biletnikoff. IMHO, Andre Reed is going to wait a while to get into the Hall (although I think he'll eventually make it). And right now, Eric has a ways to go to even catch 'Dre.... Reed: 941 catches-13.095 yds-86 TDs; 7 Pro Bowls; 4 AFC Championships Moulds: 506 catches-7,237 yds-39 TDs; 3 Pro Bowls The competition (* = still active): *Jerry Rice - 1519 catches-22,466 yds-194 TDs; 13 Pro Bowls; 4 SB rings; SB XXIII MVP Cris Carter - 1101 catches-13,899 yds-130 TDs; 8 Pro Bowls *Tim Brown - 1070 catches-14,734 yds-99 TDs; 9 Pro Bowls Art Monk - 940 catches-12,721 yds-68 TDs; 3 Pro Bowls; 3 SB rings *Marvin Harrison - 759 catches-10,072 yds-83 TDs; 5 Pro Bowls Michael Irvin - 750 catches-11,904 yds-65 TDs; 5 Pro Bowls; 3 SB rings *Terrell Owens - 592 catches-8,572 yds-81 TDs; 4 Pro Bowls *Randy Moss - 525 catches-8,375 yds-77 TDs; 5 Pro Bowls Long story short: by the time he becomes eligible, if EM hasn't doubled his current numbers and/or added a ring or two, he'll be a borderline candidate at best. Just my opinion....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted September 8, 2004 Share Posted September 8, 2004 Okay as Lori points out and I verified, Monk has 3 SB rings. Until guys like Monk, Rice, Carter, Brown, harrison clear through, Moulds is going to have a tough time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34-78-83 Posted September 8, 2004 Share Posted September 8, 2004 Another 500 catches and some serious playoff stats would probably do it. He would really have to stop having those every other year injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverNRed Posted September 8, 2004 Share Posted September 8, 2004 Hmm, well at least he'll be a shoe-in for the Bills Wall of Fame. You all are right in the fact that WR HOF'ers are now going to be held to some pretty absurd statistical standards. 21361[/snapback] Totally agree on that one. Moulds needs a few more really great years and, probably more than anything, playoffs stats and exposure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBob Posted September 8, 2004 Share Posted September 8, 2004 I think ole Jerry better play a few more years and pad those stats a bit more, or he may be borderline......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nodnarb Posted September 8, 2004 Share Posted September 8, 2004 a lot more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BILLS4LIFE Posted September 8, 2004 Share Posted September 8, 2004 It will definitely be tough. He needs about 5-6 more good seasons at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick in* england Posted September 8, 2004 Share Posted September 8, 2004 Nothing short of two superbowl rings I am sad to say. At least one of them should come this year tho!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted September 8, 2004 Share Posted September 8, 2004 IMHO, Andre Reed is going to wait a while to get into the Hall (although I believe he'll eventually make it). And right now, Eric has a ways to go to even catch 'Dre....Reed: 941 catches-13.095 yds-86 TDs; 7 Pro Bowls; 4 AFC Championships Moulds: 506 catches-7,237 yds-39 TDs; 3 Pro Bowls 21376[/snapback] There it is... right now, Moulds has had about half the career that Andre had... Don't know how many more years he'll play, but he's not HOF material. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark VI Posted September 8, 2004 Share Posted September 8, 2004 There it is... right now, Moulds has had about half the career that Andre had...Don't know how many more years he'll play, but he's not HOF material. 21486[/snapback] Indeed. Ralphs' Wall Of Fame and that's it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch19079 Posted September 8, 2004 Share Posted September 8, 2004 hes only had 3 1000+yard seasons. yeah they were over 1300 yard seasons but 3 years is not HOF material. (i know 996 yards is close to 1000, but its still not 1000 yards). he would have to play 5 more years and get 1300 yards each year to get to the HOF. i feel 7 years at 1300+ yards is HOF. moulds is only at 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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