dollars 2 donuts Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 This is all the result of the money the ncaa makes on the backs of these student athletes. Why not make the ncaa a not for profit, or better yet change their by-laws to have them divest themselves of all but a small bit of profits with the rest to go back to education and schools that need it or even charities that help students or student athletes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 6 hours ago, Sky Diver said: What a load of crap. You should probably be watching figure skating or synchronized swimming rather than football. It would cause you less heartburn. It's not a load of crap. It's exactly what's happening. It's not like I'm sitting here saying it's criminal and has to be stopped. I honestly don't care all that much. I think it's a flawed system. I think schools should be for learning and scholarships should go to kids who are in pursuit of a degree; not a Lombardi Trophy. And I absolutely love watching Olympic figure skating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted July 18, 2018 Author Share Posted July 18, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Gugny said: It's not a load of crap. It's exactly what's happening. It's not like I'm sitting here saying it's criminal and has to be stopped. I honestly don't care all that much. I think it's a flawed system. I think schools should be for learning and scholarships should go to kids who are in pursuit of a degree; not a Lombardi Trophy. And I absolutely love watching Olympic figure skating. It’s obviously possible to play college sports and get an education, but you want to ignore that, for some reason. If college athletics bother you so much, stop watching. You should stop watching the NFL to as their are party to the system. If enough people agree with you and tune out, it will force a change. Edited July 18, 2018 by Sky Diver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Sky Diver said: It’s obviously possible to play college sports and get an education, but you want to ignore that, for some reason. If college athletics bother you so much, stop watching. You should stop watching the NFL to as their are party to the system. If enough people agree with you and tune out, it will force a change. I'm sorry that you're interpreting what I've said 98% incorrectly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted July 18, 2018 Author Share Posted July 18, 2018 13 minutes ago, Gugny said: I'm sorry that you're interpreting what I've said 98% incorrectly. You said that schools "should be for learning and scholarships should go to kids who are in pursuit of a degree; not a Lombardi Trophy." My understanding that you think that colleges should drop athletics and focus solely on academics and pro leagues should develop their own independent developmental programs. Have I missed something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 1 minute ago, Sky Diver said: You said that schools "should be for learning and scholarships should go to kids who are in pursuit of a degree; not a Lombardi Trophy." My understanding that you think that colleges should drop athletics and focus solely on academics and pro leagues should develop their own independent developmental programs. Have I missed something? I actually clarified that in an earlier post. I never said that I wanted colleges to drop athletics. Students who want to play sports in college should absolutely have that opportunity. My problem is athletes going to college to with the sole purpose of playing sports; specifically for free. Those are not students who want to play sports. Those are athletes who want to play sports for a college. And yes ... I do believe pro leagues should have D leagues. Hockey, baseball and basketball have them and they work quite well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Buffalo Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 PS Atheletic departments especially football waste more money then they bring in and cover it up with misc student fees. Make them run them like a true business and we will see how many declare bankruptcy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted July 18, 2018 Author Share Posted July 18, 2018 I/m sure there are some students that go to college for reasons that aren't primarily related to getting an education, ie. being in frat, partying, meeting girls. getting away from parents. etc. that has nothing to do with athletics. I think the vast majoring of student athletes want to get an education. 4 minutes ago, North Buffalo said: PS Atheletic departments especially football waste more money then they bring in and cover it up with misc student fees. Make them run them like a true business and we will see how many declare bankruptcy. Of course college sports are money losers. Do you think woman's rowing, bowling, fencing, swimming, etc. make money? Successful football programs fund other sports programs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Buffalo Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 No even before all that... travel expenses, recruitment expenses, bowl game expenses, conference revenue sharing, more coaches, tutors etc than an NFL team and roster size alone takes care of that plus all the perks coaches and staff recieve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted July 18, 2018 Author Share Posted July 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, North Buffalo said: No even before all that... travel expenses, recruitment expenses, bowl game expenses, conference revenue sharing, more coaches, tutors etc than an NFL team and roster size alone takes care of that plus all the perks coaches and staff recieve. The football program at Alabama covers the costs of other athletic programs plus kicking back money to the university. The former president said that hiring Nick Saban was the best financial decision the university has ever made. I can’t speak to other programs because I’m not familiar with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Buffalo Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 (edited) Won’t believe unless they truly opened their books. Dated but a great book on college sports finances was written in the late 90s by Mo Sperber called College Sports Inc and details how Universities shuffle money around to pretend football and basketball programs make money, but actually run at deficits. Only two programs made money back then... Notre Dame... because the priests remformed the finance post Knute Rockney and Frank Leyden. Forget the other one. Would love to see a detailed update. I think there has been something more recent but would need to research. PR departments at these programs are a well of misinformation. Edited July 18, 2018 by North Buffalo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted July 18, 2018 Author Share Posted July 18, 2018 9 minutes ago, North Buffalo said: Won’t believe unless they truly opened their books. Dated but a great book on college sports finances was written in the late 90s by Mo Sperber called College Sports Inc and details how Universities shuffle money around to pretend football and basketball programs make money, but actually run at deficits. Only two programs made money back then... Notre Dame... because the priests remformed the finance post Knute Rockney and Frank Leyden. Forget the other one. Would love to see a detailed update. I think there has been something more recent but would need to research. PR departments at these programs are a well of misinformation. The Alabama football program had a $46M profit in 2016 - 2017 according to a NCAA financial report. http://sports.usatoday.com/2018/01/27/alabama-football-turned-46m-profit-in-201617/ These guys sure look like they are being exploited, lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Buffalo Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 check it out income v expenses: http://www.espn.com/ncaa/revenue/_/type/expenses Not seeing the profit they claim.., Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted July 18, 2018 Author Share Posted July 18, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, North Buffalo said: check it out income v expenses: http://www.espn.com/ncaa/revenue/_/type/expenses Not seeing the profit they claim.., That's 2008 data. Here's recent data, but it doesn't break out the football program. http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/ Edited July 18, 2018 by Sky Diver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Buffalo Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 My bad Ill keep looking, but shows you the gist unless it has changed that much? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted July 18, 2018 Author Share Posted July 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, North Buffalo said: My bad Ill keep looking, but shows you the gist unless it has changed that much? I believe that it probably has. Saban was hired in 2007. The president of the university said that hiring him was the best financial decision that the university ever made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Buffalo Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 https://bamahammer.com/2018/06/30/alabama-football-tide-near-top-ncaa-revenues-expenses/ Not $46 mill but just over $20 mil not bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted July 18, 2018 Author Share Posted July 18, 2018 (edited) Barrett Jones was a stellar player and student at Alabama. He earned an accounting degree, Summa Cum Laude and I believe that he also earned a Master's at UA in accounting, again with a 4.0 GPA. Anyway, he hurt his foot in the SEC Championship. Doctor's advised him not to play in the National Championship, but he insisted on playing anyway. They provided him with every accommodation possible to fulfill his desire to play. https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/07/19/nfl-alabama-draft-nick-saban-salary-marquis-johnson-nico-johnson-barrett-jones Again, this story doesn't fit the exploitation narrative. Edited July 18, 2018 by Sky Diver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted July 18, 2018 Author Share Posted July 18, 2018 5 minutes ago, North Buffalo said: https://bamahammer.com/2018/06/30/alabama-football-tide-near-top-ncaa-revenues-expenses/ Not $46 mill but just over $20 mil not bad. The football program made $46M, and the athletic department, including the football program, made $15.6M. At least that's how I understand it. The football program has put Alabama on the national radar and has helped student recruitment. I don't know how you monetize that. My son wasn't a big football fan, and the football program had absolutely nothing to do with his decision to attend school at Alabama, but he enjoyed going to the games. It definitely added to his student experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Buffalo Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 oh that last part is true. And the first part is because of the TV contracts these guys have now. Gotta be the reason for the change. Part of the argument to pay these guys now. Jeez the money is insane. Still http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/ Shows AL Athletics received $6 mil in fees but only tranferred back $5+ back and ran a deficit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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