BillsFan4 Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 32 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: So @26CornerBlitz, what does that mean? Sabres still eatin cap or no? No, sir. I am not 100% sure but they might possibly have a (roughly) $1.6M cap hit for this season, for the 20 some games he was on the roster. But I’m not exactly sure how that works. Even if we do it’s not that big of a deal. All that really matters is that the Sabres are getting out of his $3.85M cap hit for the next 3 seasons (after this one). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 42 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said: No, sir. I am not 100% sure but they might possibly have a (roughly) $1.6M cap hit for this season, for the 20 some games he was on the roster. But I’m not exactly sure how that works. Even if we do it’s not that big of a deal. All that really matters is that the Sabres are getting out of his $3.85M cap hit for the next 3 seasons (after this one). I'm too lazy to do the math, but yeah, the prorated portion of however long he was with the team this year counts towards the cap. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 46 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said: No, sir. I am not 100% sure but they might possibly have a (roughly) $1.6M cap hit for this season, for the 20 some games he was on the roster. But I’m not exactly sure how that works. Even if we do it’s not that big of a deal. All that really matters is that the Sabres are getting out of his $3.85M cap hit for the next 3 seasons (after this one). This is what you call addition by subtraction. I minus that turned into a plus. He didn't want to be here and the team had little interest in keeping him here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 44 minutes ago, shrader said: I'm too lazy to do the math, but yeah, the prorated portion of however long he was with the team this year counts towards the cap. That’s what I figured, thanks. 39 minutes ago, JohnC said: This is what you call addition by subtraction. I minus that turned into a plus. He didn't want to be here and the team had little interest in keeping him here. For sure! He did us a favor. He didn’t want to be here and he was playing like it. Then he (appears to have) quit when he wasn’t handed a steady role for his half-assed effort. Getting out from under that contract without any cap penalty (a buyout would have been on the books for 6 years) or having to take on another team’s bad contract is a big win in my book. It would have been nice if he could have helped fill the secondary scoring void we have, but that didn’t happen. His role on the team can be filled for MUCH cheaper than $3.85 x 4yrs. Plus, he was a big, slow player who is entering the downside of his career and still had multiple years left on a (bad) contract. The NHL is trending away from big, slow players like Berglund. We are lucky to be getting out of this contract now. Can you imagine what he would have been like in years 3+4? Yikes! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 He would have become a prime buyout candidate as they got closer to to the end of that 3-4 year window. What has happened today is far from ideal, but it's definitely shaping up to be a blessing in disguise. It will depend on what the story is when it eventually comes out, whether or not it reflects poorly on the team, but right now, it's found money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 8 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said: That’s what I figured, thanks. For sure! He did us a favor. He didn’t want to be here and he was playing like it. Then he (appears to have) quit when he wasn’t handed a steady role for his half-assed effort. Getting out from under that contract without any cap penalty (a buyout would have been on the books for 6 years) or having to take on another team’s bad contract is a big win in my book. It would have been nice if he could have helped fill the secondary scoring void we have, but that didn’t happen. His role on the team can be filled for MUCH cheaper than $3.85 x 4yrs. Plus, he was a big, slow player who is entering the downside of his career and still had multiple years left on a (bad) contract. The NHL is trending away from big, slow players like Berglund. We are lucky to be getting out of this contract now. Can you imagine what he would have been like in years 3+4? Yikes! lol The ROR trade looks even better now. No question that Ryan was the best player in the deal and that he is playing well with the Blues. But from our standpoint if you include the erasing of Berglund's contract and him from the roster we have more cap space to sign Skinner and more roster flexibility. As with all the pro sports now building a roster is more than signing talent. It is about getting value from your contracts within the cap structure. And it is about having a GM that can work within the cap without sacrificing future options. The key is not only developing talent but being able to retain talent when the younger players go into their next more remunerative contracts. An example of that is Sam Reinhart's contract situation. He recently signed a short term, bridge deal, and when that deal expires this franchise will be in better shape to retain him. I understand from Berglund's perspective that he was placed in a situation he didn't want to be in. Now he has options and so do the Sabres. I suspect that Bergund is going to lose a lot of money because of what transpired. That's his problem. I'm good with the outcome. 7 minutes ago, shrader said: He would have become a prime buyout candidate as they got closer to to the end of that 3-4 year window. What has happened today is far from ideal, but it's definitely shaping up to be a blessing in disguise. It will depend on what the story is when it eventually comes out, whether or not it reflects poorly on the team, but right now, it's found money. What is there to reflect badly on the team? This team has been the surprise of the league from a positive standpoint. It's obvious even to outsiders that this was a typical talent to playing time ratio issue. This was far from being an Ottawa situation where internal discord and management chaos created a bad working environment. This situation with Berglund lacks much mystery and is easily understood by everyone associated with this hockey business. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 33 minutes ago, JohnC said: What is there to reflect badly on the team? This team has been the surprise of the league from a positive standpoint. It's obvious even to outsiders that this was a typical talent to playing time ratio issue. This was far from being an Ottawa situation where internal discord and management chaos created a bad working environment. This situation with Berglund lacks much mystery and is easily understood by everyone associated with this hockey business. I don't think it's very likely that there is something that reflects poorly upon the team, but I'm not going to ignore the possibility. I really hate throwing out hypotheticals, but basically the situation that would reflect poorly is the whole mentality of "they'd terminate a guy with <insert issue here>? why would I want to sign there when they don't take care of their own?". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 1 minute ago, shrader said: I don't think it's very likely that there is something that reflects poorly upon the team, but I'm not going to ignore the possibility. I really hate throwing out hypotheticals, but basically the situation that would reflect poorly is the whole mentality of "they'd terminate a guy with <insert issue here>? why would I want to sign there when they don't take care of their own?". The league is an expanded family where players on each team have friends and associates (ex. media and contacts) from opposing teams. Other than the contract consideration what happened in Buffalo was not out of the ordinary. Players are constantly being moved up; and players are constantly being moved down. What is different about this situation is that for whatever reason Berglund allowed his no-trade clause to elapse. That's on him and his agent. So he ended up being dealt to a team and location where he didn't want to be. If Berglund was an upper echelon player and he acted as he did by not reporting then the speculation as to why this situation came to be would be at a more heightened level. That's not the case here. He was a pedestrian player who not only lost playing time but the chances of him regaining his playing time was diminishing as more players on the roster were rising. Right now the only player I am concerned about wanting to play in Buffalo is Skinner with his impending free agent status. As it stands we have plenty of home grown players on the team and on the farm from which we can draw from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 6 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Love his McClappy impression. Gotta tighten up my lips. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 This was one of the best Instigator segments on WGR with Paul Hamilton joining in with Peters and Rivet. They addressed some of the issues regarding the Florida game, including Yandel and Skinner fracas. What was more interesting was them free wheeling while talking about the team, players (including ROR) and prospects such as Guhle, Nylander and Bailey. This was good hockey talk for 43 minutes. https://wgr550.radio.com/media/audio-channel/12-19-hr-2-instigators Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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tbarg12 Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 32 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: I'm really hoping they get Skinner that extension, I think having Skinner has not only elevated himself but also Eichel. As both of them have put each other in good opportunities on scoring. They have some unbelievable passes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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