4merper4mer Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 4 hours ago, #34fan said: My, my, -are we still confusing alt/right Jackassery with intellectual debate? 5 dribbling four-year-olds show up to enforce their imaginary claim on the board, then resort to name calling when they can't dispatch an opponent. For all your bluster, you only succeed in boring me back to my daily tasks. Don't let him bore you all the way back to your normal tasks because if you can refrain picking the lint from your navel for a really long time it will turn into a diamond. #resist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 11 minutes ago, DC Tom said: It's objectively inaccurate. Stonewall Jackson, for example: One slave he bought was a free man who sold himself to Jackson to pay off a debt; Jackson hired him out to VMI to work off the purchase and gain his freedom. Another was a four-year old orphaned girl a local widow couldn't support and was selling - Jackson bought her specifically to keep her in the community she knew. And he taught slaves to read, in part because he believed they could not be free without literacy. The modern interpretation of US slavery presumes that every slaveholder was a Deep South landowner growing cash crops on an industrial scale. The institution was far more complex than that simple archetype. Wouldn't be the first time that happened in sub-Saharan Africa. The worst examples of the situation have been cherry picked and presented, promoted as the routine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 6 minutes ago, Dante said: The worst examples of the situation have been cherry picked and presented, promoted as the routine. It's the American way. (Yes, the irony is intentional.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 1 hour ago, Dante said: The narrative that all slaves in the US were mistreated, tortured or worse doesn't really make sense if you think about it. If I'm a farmer paying a premium for a Cat or John Deere to help me harvest would I treat the equipment like crap so it broke down on me when I needed it? Unfortunately a Cat, or John deer, doesn't have a mind it can use to foment resistance, and rebellion among the other farm equipment. Cruelty wasn't seen as sport, as much as it was a device for controlling slaves through fear... Two dead, tortured, slaves hanging within eyeshot of living ones served as an effective reminder of who was in charge, and the price for insurrection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 Just now, #34fan said: Unfortunately a Cat, or John deer, doesn't have a mind it can use to foment resistance, and rebellion among the other farm equipment. Cruelty wasn't seen as sport, as much as it was a device for controlling slaves through fear... Two dead, tortured, slaves hanging within eyeshot of living ones served as an effective reminder of who was in charge, and the price for insurrection. You act as if that was a trait exclusive to the South or Europeans. It was a global scourge and the methods used to enforce it were universal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Dante said: The worst examples of the situation have been cherry picked and presented, promoted as the routine. Sounds more like you and Tom are the ones cherry picking to me. Just like TYTT plucked the best bits of European history and offered them to dolts who don't know any better. It's part of the alt-right's scam.... And every scam requires a taker. 8 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: You act as if that was a trait exclusive to the South or Europeans. How so? Edited June 1, 2018 by #34fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, #34fan said: Sounds more like you and Tom are the ones cherry picking to me. Just like TYTT plucked the best bits of European history and offered them to dolts who don't know any better. It's part of the alt-right's scam.... And every scam requires a taker. 2 minutes ago, #34fan said: How so? Slavery has existed since time immemorial in many different forms. Chattel slavery in the south was not the only system to use fear and display corpses to reinforce the system. Pretending that it was is either admitting you're completely ignorant of the subject you're discussing, or being intentionally dishonest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, #34fan said: Unfortunately a Cat, or John deer, doesn't have a mind it can use to foment resistance, and rebellion among the other farm equipment. Cruelty wasn't seen as sport, as much as it was a device for controlling slaves through fear... Two dead, tortured, slaves hanging within eyeshot of living ones served as an effective reminder of who was in charge, and the price for insurrection. Could have happened. Stuff like that happens now. Not the norm though. An extreme. That's what we are talking about. Manipulation. Lying by omission. Not telling the entire story or the era. Let's be honest. You don't really know anything. You weren't around at that time. You are only parroting what you have been told or led to believe. By who? A professor? The media? Who says they know what they are talking about? They have been fed the same agenda as you have. I guess what I'm getting at is that as I get older I believe less and less of what I'm told and only half of what I see. The lying on every level is so pervasive it really is difficult on who or what info you can trust. Least of all a totally left leaning education/indoctrination system. Get knowledge and wisdom from your own life experiences and apply that. And sitting in a classroom absorbing what some overpaid schmuck drone on doesn't count as a life experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted June 1, 2018 Author Share Posted June 1, 2018 4 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: You act as if that was a trait exclusive to the South or Europeans. It was a global scourge and the methods used to enforce it were universal. Well, those are the "important ones" to liberals in the know................. Meanwhile ...............back in the Great Britain Thread.............. Butchers 'living in fear' as vegan attacks on the rise, says Countryside Alliance https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/05/27/butchers-living-fear-vegan-attacks-rise-says-countryside-alliance/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, B-Man said: Well, those are the "important ones" to liberals in the know................. Meanwhile ...............back in the Great Britain Thread.............. Butchers 'living in fear' as vegan attacks on the rise, says Countryside Alliance https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/05/27/butchers-living-fear-vegan-attacks-rise-says-countryside-alliance/ BREAKING NEWS: A white farmer HAS apprehended the suspects. Edited June 1, 2018 by #34fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted June 1, 2018 Author Share Posted June 1, 2018 Tommy Robinson Drew Attention to ‘Grooming Gangs.’ Britain Has Persecuted Him. “RAPE GANGS” IS A MORE ACCURATE TERM: Read the whole thing. The British authorities have behaved contemptibly here. Their behavior is what one might expect from an occupation government under a foreign conqueror. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 18 minutes ago, B-Man said: Tommy Robinson Drew Attention to ‘Grooming Gangs.’ Britain Has Persecuted Him. “RAPE GANGS” IS A MORE ACCURATE TERM: Read the whole thing. The British authorities have behaved contemptibly here. Their behavior is what one might expect from an occupation government under a foreign conqueror. Seems like the Great Britain of Winston Churchill has become the Little Britain of Neville Chamberlain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 49 minutes ago, B-Man said: Tommy Robinson Drew Attention to ‘Grooming Gangs.’ Britain Has Persecuted Him. “RAPE GANGS” IS A MORE ACCURATE TERM: Read the whole thing. The British authorities have behaved contemptibly here. Their behavior is what one might expect from an occupation government under a foreign conqueror. Wow does not begin to cover it. To focus on just one of the dangerous things going on, I will pick what I view as the simplest to decipher and judge. A man was arrested on the street, tried convicted and sentenced within a matter of hours and somehow that isn't the worst part of the event. The press has been banned from reporting on it. That is worse and if it doesn't change, other parts of that society will crumble quickly. There are no mental gymnastics that can explain this ban and frankly no reporter in a free society that should abide by it. Every single reporter in England should immediately write a story about it and every paper and newscast should be wall to wall coverage of it until the court backs down and lifts the ban. If they comply with this ban, they are simply not reporters, they are worker bees. I hadn't heard the name Tommy Robinson until the other day. My opinion on this has nothing to do with him. The same opinion would apply to a reporting ban on anyone's arrest and trial for anything. I hate soccer, ugly teeth scare me and people with snooty fake accents are not my favorites so I usually avoid thinking about England, but I'll be very interested to see if a pro-Robinson, anti-Robinson or neutral reporter breaks this ban. IMO it is their duty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 49 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: Seems like the Great Britain of Winston Churchill has become the Little Britain of Neville Chamberlain. Britain has such a good record of defending. Hard to believe they are going to roll over so easily. A different kind of war. Very clever if you think about it. Play the long game by seizing control of the education system that breeds your operatives. Not that many needed you just have to get them in key positions. The most obvious example to me is Merkel. Even better if you can consolidate power in scams like the EU. Now you have economic leverage on all the key playing nations. Majority of the public in a PC haze who willingly accommodate their occupiers. Hell, they even fund them laughably enough. Easy peasy. Not a shot fired. Not yet anyway but it may be too late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 7 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: Wow does not begin to cover it. To focus on just one of the dangerous things going on, I will pick what I view as the simplest to decipher and judge. A man was arrested on the street, tried convicted and sentenced within a matter of hours and somehow that isn't the worst part of the event. The press has been banned from reporting on it. That is worse and if it doesn't change, other parts of that society will crumble quickly. There are no mental gymnastics that can explain this ban and frankly no reporter in a free society that should abide by it. Every single reporter in England should immediately write a story about it and every paper and newscast should be wall to wall coverage of it until the court backs down and lifts the ban. If they comply with this ban, they are simply not reporters, they are worker bees. I hadn't heard the name Tommy Robinson until the other day. My opinion on this has nothing to do with him. The same opinion would apply to a reporting ban on anyone's arrest and trial for anything. I hate soccer, ugly teeth scare me and people with snooty fake accents are not my favorites so I usually avoid thinking about England, but I'll be very interested to see if a pro-Robinson, anti-Robinson or neutral reporter breaks this ban. IMO it is their duty. The arrest and sentence was proper under UK law. He had violated the terms of his probation that had a prison sentence attached. The problem is the law itself. The country where the Magna Carta was created is now against the very principles of it. There is no Great Britain any more, much less an England. They never should have joined the EU and their departure may be too late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: Slavery has existed since time immemorial in many different forms. Chattel slavery in the south was not the only system to use fear and display corpses to reinforce the system. Pretending that it was is either admitting you're completely ignorant of the subject you're discussing, or being intentionally dishonest. Are you high? Your'e alternating between total nonsense, and stuff I never said, but it's fine. -Call it what you want... Slavery in the United States meant terror, degradation, and oppression for the African American.... Much of which continued for decades after the institution ended. Tom hovering over the warm fuzzy moments is typical of most Nazi sympathizers. -Buy his bullsh_t Disney version if staying stupid is that important to you. 8 hours ago, TakeYouToTasker said: No one ever talks about how capturing slaves from rival tribes to sell to Europeans was the major industry in Africa during that time period. Completely face - f**king the enlightenment wasn't good enough for you, I see... You needed a new continent to gloss-over, generalize, and altogether misunderstand. -You've got to be the most inept, half-assed storyteller I've ever seen in my life. 8 hours ago, TakeYouToTasker said: . Hell, the first slave owner in what is now considered America was black. Until he won a court case in which he refused to free an indentured servant after his period of servitude had expired, slavery didn't exist here. Nonsense. This one has been widely debunked as bullsh_t by many sources. The first LEGAL recorded slave in the Americas was John Punch, condemned in court to lifelong servitude for running away from the Virginia plantation of Hugh Gwyn, a white landowner. in 1641 On the positive side, Punch's 11th great-grandson is likely Barack Obama on his mom's side...-Payback's a b*tch ain't it! 3 hours ago, 3rdnlng said: The arrest and sentence was proper under UK law. He had violated the terms of his probation that had a prison sentence attached. The problem is the law itself. The country where the Magna Carta was created is now against the very principles of it. There is no Great Britain any more, much less an England. They never should have joined the EU and their departure may be too late. 3 hours ago, Dante said: Britain has such a good record of defending. Hard to believe they are going to roll over so easily. A different kind of war. Very clever if you think about it. Play the long game by seizing control of the education system that breeds your operatives. Not that many needed you just have to get them in key positions. The most obvious example to me is Merkel. Even better if you can consolidate power in scams like the EU. Now you have economic leverage on all the key playing nations. Majority of the public in a PC haze who willingly accommodate their occupiers. Hell, they even fund them laughably enough. Easy peasy. Not a shot fired. Not yet anyway but it may be too late. Who's to say.... Once a proper Caliphate is established, the mullahs in charge of cities like Leeds, Manchester, and Newcastle might be as generous as Tom's version of Stonewall Jackson. Edited June 1, 2018 by #34fan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albwan Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 11 hours ago, B-Man said: Tommy Robinson Drew Attention to ‘Grooming Gangs.’ Britain Has Persecuted Him. “RAPE GANGS” IS A MORE ACCURATE TERM: Read the whole thing. The British authorities have behaved contemptibly here. Their behavior is what one might expect from an occupation government under a foreign conqueror. grooming gangs ....undocumented immigrants... the media need to make up new safe word groups to pacify their stupid sheeple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 7 hours ago, #34fan said: Are you high? Your'e alternating between total nonsense, and stuff I never said, but it's fine. -Call it what you want... Slavery in the United States meant terror, degradation, and oppression for the African American.... Much of which continued for decades after the institution ended. Tom hovering over the warm fuzzy moments is typical of most Nazi sympathizers. -Buy his bullsh_t Disney version if staying stupid is that important to you. Completely face - f**king the enlightenment wasn't good enough for you, I see... You needed a new continent to gloss-over, generalize, and altogether misunderstand. -You've got to be the most inept, half-assed storyteller I've ever seen in my life. Nonsense. This one has been widely debunked as bullsh_t by many sources. The first LEGAL recorded slave in the Americas was John Punch, condemned in court to lifelong servitude for running away from the Virginia plantation of Hugh Gwyn, a white landowner. in 1641 On the positive side, Punch's 11th great-grandson is likely Barack Obama on his mom's side...-Payback's a b*tch ain't it! Who's to say.... Once a proper Caliphate is established, the mullahs in charge of cities like Leeds, Manchester, and Newcastle might be as generous as Tom's version of Stonewall Jackson. Looks like you're all for a Muslim takeover, Congrats. Now, I thought you were bored to death down here and leaving. Please follow up on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 7 hours ago, #34fan said: Nonsense. This one has been widely debunked as bullsh_t by many sources. The first LEGAL recorded slave in the Americas was John Punch, condemned in court to lifelong servitude for running away from the Virginia plantation of Hugh Gwyn, a white landowner. in 1641 On the positive side, Punch's 11th great-grandson is likely Barack Obama on his mom's side...-Payback's a b*tch ain't it! No, it hasn't been debunked, and many historians also disagree that John Punch was the first slave, as he was sentenced to a lifetime of indentured servitude in the context of a criminal case. It's only widely considered to be the first instance of racial disparity in justice (his two white co-defendants getting less than lifetime sentences). But he definitely wasn't the first person committed to a sentence of "lifetime servitude" - and interestingly, there are records of white laborers sentenced to lifetime servitude before Punch. On the other hand, two years later there was a civil case where a black employer of indentured servants successfully argued that he still owned the rights to a black indentured servant that he freed, who was then indentured by another farmer. Many historians consider that the first instance of slavery, as it established the civil principle that a person could own another person. And then there's the 1662 law in Virginia that effectively made slavery a hereditary condition - the children of indentured servants, even for life, were still considered free. The perpetuation of the designation of "property" across generations is a unique feature to American slavery...so one may reasonably argue that the first person born a slave was in fact the first real slave. The bottom line is: slavery was complex, and you once again demonstrate your massive ignorance trying to simplify the "start" to a single point in time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albwan Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 Best part of this slavery conversation...it's been over for 160 years...no one alive today had anything to do with with slavery, 130,000 Americans died in the conflict that slavery was part of, a great deal of American's were legal immigrants so they and their families had virtually nothing to do with American slavery... I'm really beginning to think the left are moving into the take peoples thought area now. Taking their guns and speech isn't enough? They assume and scream everyone is racist, because... why? Because they feel people don't like them? I see blacks and hispanics in every job all the way up the feeding trough, and are at every level of American society, politics, they pretty much dominate sports, making millions of dollars, entertainment..on and on and on. These people either want people's thoughts or they are systematically trying to to snuff out white people. This sounds like the real racism to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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