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But the good news is that CA just passed a law to make it legal to intentionally give someone an STD.  Unless it's AIDS, then it's a misdemeanor.

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  On 5/15/2018 at 7:53 PM, DC Tom said:

But the good news is that CA just passed a law to make it legal to intentionally give someone an STD.  Unless it's AIDS, then it's a misdemeanor.

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So intentionally giving someone AIDS is a misdemeanor? Must not be much of a disease anymore.

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  On 5/15/2018 at 8:11 PM, 3rdnlng said:

So intentionally giving someone AIDS is a misdemeanor? Must not be much of a disease anymore.

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The explicit reason given for the change (from a felony carrying a 3-8 year sentence) was " societal and medical understanding of HIV has greatly improved. Effective treatments dramatically lengthen and improve the quality of life for people living with HIV — treatments that also nearly eliminate the possibility of transmission."

 

Direct quote.  Literally, "if you get it these days, it's not so bad."

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  On 5/15/2018 at 8:27 PM, DC Tom said:

 

The explicit reason given for the change (from a felony carrying a 3-8 year sentence) was " societal and medical understanding of HIV has greatly improved. Effective treatments dramatically lengthen and improve the quality of life for people living with HIV — treatments that also nearly eliminate the possibility of transmission."

 

Direct quote.  Literally, "if you get it these days, it's not so bad."

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It's ludicrous for intentionally giving someone AIDS or other std's only being a misdemeanor. What would a person give (moneywise) to not to have ever contracted the disease? Now compare this to the $400 theft that triggers grand larceny and a state mandated prison term. I know that it varies depending on health insurance but think what contracting AIDS might be do to a person financially. Deliberately giving someone AIDS is no different than assault with a deadly weapon.

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  On 5/15/2018 at 7:47 PM, 3rdnlng said:

If he's not getting any he can be lumped in with DC Tom as a potential mass murderer. We need to take away his weapons.

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Which weapon? His carving knife? His 8" frying pan? His 2 quart pot? 

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  On 5/15/2018 at 8:27 PM, DC Tom said:

 

The explicit reason given for the change (from a felony carrying a 3-8 year sentence) was " societal and medical understanding of HIV has greatly improved. Effective treatments dramatically lengthen and improve the quality of life for people living with HIV — treatments that also nearly eliminate the possibility of transmission."

 

Direct quote.  Literally, "if you get it these days, it's not so bad."

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It would probably blow some folks minds that HIV/AIDS doesn’t actually 

kill you.

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  On 5/15/2018 at 8:58 PM, Commsvet11 said:

 

It would probably blow some folks minds that HIV/AIDS doesn’t actually 

kill you.

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Well the complications do, and will, assiuming you don’t have the hundreds of thousands of dollars for a lifetime’s worth of treatment 

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  On 5/15/2018 at 9:06 PM, joesixpack said:

 

Well the complications do, and will, assiuming you don’t have the hundreds of thousands of dollars for a lifetime’s worth of treatment 

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Well hopefully we continue to research it, but prevention is the best option either way.

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  On 5/15/2018 at 8:58 PM, Commsvet11 said:

 

It would probably blow some folks minds that HIV/AIDS doesn’t actually 

kill you.

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Yeah.  Pneumocystis pneumonia, fulminant toxoplasmosis, cryptococcal meningitis, Kaposi's sarcoma, cryptosporidiosis, HIV-related encephalopathy...none of those kill you.

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  On 5/15/2018 at 9:18 PM, DC Tom said:

 

Yeah.  Pneumocystis pneumonia, fulminant toxoplasmosis, cryptococcal meningitis, Kaposi's sarcoma, cryptosporidiosis, HIV-related encephalopathy...none of those kill you.

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None of those kill you with a healthy immune system. Those are what we call opportunistic pathogens.

 

That is my point the actual HIV virus isn’t what kills a person, it’s an opportunist pathogen after the immune system has been weakened.

 

In fact Kaposi Sarcoma was an indicator that HIV was an immunosuppressive disease, elderly usually are the patients due to a weakened immune system, but young men that seemed  healthy had this skin lesion. Which in turn asked the question why does a young person show an elderly patient disease.

 

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  On 5/15/2018 at 9:35 PM, Commsvet11 said:

 

 

None of those kill you with a healthy immune system. Those are what we call opportunistic pathogens.

 

That is my point the actual HIV virus isn’t what kills a person, it’s an opportunist pathogen after the immune system has been weakened.

 

In fact Kaposi Sarcoma was an indicator that HIV was an immunosuppressive disease, elderly usually are the patients due to a weakened immune system, but young men that seemed  healthy had this skin lesion. Which in turn asked the question why does a young person show an elderly patient disease.

 

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HIV is not a disease.  It is a virus.  AIDS is...not a disease, it's a syndrome.  Characterized by infections of the list I mentioned, which are diseases.    

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  On 5/15/2018 at 9:48 PM, DC Tom said:

 

HIV is not a disease.  It is a virus.  AIDS is...not a disease, it's a syndrome.  Characterized by infections of the list I mentioned, which are diseases.    

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The nomenclature disease is synonymous to a viral infection, I mean we can split hairs about the terminology, you see it as syndrome and I see it as stage 3 in HIV. 

 

 

 

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  On 5/15/2018 at 10:12 PM, Commsvet11 said:

The nomenclature disease is synonymous to a viral infection, I mean we can split hairs about the terminology, you see it as syndrome and I see it as stage 3 in HIV. 

 

 

 

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Well, why not split hairs about the terminology?  You're splitting hairs about whether or not it kills you.  :rolleyes:

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  On 5/15/2018 at 9:12 PM, Commsvet11 said:

Well hopefully we continue to research it, but prevention is the best option either way.

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So getting HIV or AIDS is a behavioural fault??

 

 

 

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